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Amiko Alien2 / SAB / GM / ST7162 ** SPARK** Discussion Thread

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  • #1302
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    m8 wrote: »
    Anyone know if TVHeadend would be able to see the tuners on the Amiko Alien2?
    If there was a build for AA2, then it should I guess. Its not clear what tvheadend is, it seems to be a streaming server working off the linux device. AA2 can already do this using any web browser and the Webif interface, or various client apps such as Dreamdroid (Android) or E2streamer (pc).
    What it might offer over the inbuilt server would be transcoding, reducing the resolution and bit rate sourced from the device tuners to assist transmission over low rate data paths. You can forget this in an AA2, it simply doesn't have the processor power or memory to crunch the stream.
    The only way I achieved this on a Sab/AA2 was using a pc based server called Enigma TV, which interfaced to the AA2 locally, then presented to the remote Android app of the same name. It worked way back when my home data rate was 4Mb down / 380Kb up, I recall watching the 2016 Grand National picnicing on the banks of the royal canal. You had to leave the server running on the pc, so not ideal for a long break from home. Later E2 boxes such as the Edision OS mega were powerful enough to support on board transcoding, iirc, there was an additional setting on WebIf served from these which allowed you to set trancoding bit rate and resolution.


  • #1303
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    @deezell
    Its not clear what tvheadend is
    tvheadend is a tuner management software that manages all aspects of DVB-T, DVB-S and Sat>IP tuners in one locations and allocates tuners as appropriate to client devices that request access. It will transcode if required.

    It also manages EPG, DVR/PVR functions, including timed and series recordings and storage.

    There are various client device front ends for it .... such as an addon for Kodi ...... to seamlessly use its functions.

    It is probably the best software of its type available.


  • #1304
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    @deezell
    tvheadend is a tuner management software that manages all aspects of DVB-T, DVB-S and Sat>IP tuners in one locations and allocates tuners as appropriate to client devices that request access. It will transcode if required.

    It also manages EPG, DVR/PVR functions, including timed and series recordings and storage.

    There are various client device front ends for it .... such as an addon for Kodi ...... to seamlessly use its functions.

    It is probably the best software of its type available.

    Ah I get it. Similar to the commercial products used in Hotels to distribute tv around to the rooms, or perhaps an apartment block as an alternative to distributing actual raw satellite rf to each tv point, allowing a managed access to the system. How would you implement this in a home installation? Maybe an example of how it would be deployed, and the advantages.


  • #1305
    m8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 905 ✭✭✭m8


    There are lots of posts on TVheadend here for more detailed info. It can run on something as small as a Rasberry Pi and use tuners like a USB DVD-T and DVB-S2. There are boxes available for both DVB-T and DVB-S2 in which TVHeadend can connect and manage. I was just wondering if TVHeadend would be able to see the tuners in the Amiko Alien. Has anyone used a setup like this here?


  • #1306
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    m8 wrote: »
    There are lots of posts on TVheadend here for more detailed info. It can run on something as small as a Rasberry Pi and use tuners like a USB DVD-T and DVB-S2. There are boxes available for both DVB-T and DVB-S2 in which TVHeadend can connect and manage. I was just wondering if TVHeadend would be able to see the tuners in the Amiko Alien. Has anyone used a setup like this here?

    Would it not be dependent on the operating system in use?
    One that would share the tuners maybe as Sat>IP tuners?


  • #1307
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    deezell wrote: »
    Ah I get it. Similar to the commercial products used in Hotels to distribute tv around to the rooms, or perhaps an apartment block as an alternative to distributing actual raw satellite rf to each tv point, allowing a managed access to the system. How would you implement this in a home installation? Maybe an example of how it would be deployed, and the advantages.

    No.
    It distributes the data on the LAN, not on coax.
    It only distributes data that has been requested by client devices .... such as one TV station or one stored video.

    For some use cases read here
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=643

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tvheadend


  • #1308
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    No.
    It distributes the data on the LAN, not on coax.
    It only distributes data that has been requested by client devices .... such as one TV station or one stored video.

    Which is exactly how the examples i gave work, "as an alternative to distributing .. rf". Most new commercial and institutional builds these days will only have a network of cat6 cable, and this can be used to shift all data, telemetry, cctv, telephone and entertainment media traffic around a building. Even somthing as simple as a vga or Hdmi connection to a conference room or theatre no longer requires runs of bulky multi core dediicated cable with failure prone repeaters. Now you can use Cat5e or 6, or wireless to receiver devices or directly to the device if it has the capability. Receiver devices can be powered over the lan.
    Again, if someone wants to build the code to run on a linux box, I can't see any problem. Some of the most recent boxes used a broadband tuner to catch the full astra band, a twin tuner version of this would in theory be able to stream multiple channels across the lan, limited only by the processing power of the box. The AA2 always struggled with 3 streams, I recall some posts on this from years ago on the old threads.


  • #1309
    Tuesday13
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Tuesday13


    I'm running open ATV on an AMIKO alien box. I have this re-occurring issue whereby it freezes when booting. It normally loads as far as '49' or '99' and then it just hangs. Recently I've had to load the enigma image again but within weeks it happens again, any ideas? Thanks


  • #1310
    Nowso
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    Tuesday13 wrote: »
    I'm running open ATV on an AMIKO alien box. I have this re-occurring issue whereby it freezes when booting. It normally loads as far as '49' or '99' and then it just hangs. Recently I've had to load the enigma image again but within weeks it happens again, any ideas? Thanks

    not sure soundls like somthings building up epg or logs or something -

    try boot more often - might be the hard drive ?


  • #1311
    Tuesday13
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭Tuesday13


    Nowso wrote: »
    not sure soundls like somthings building up epg or logs or something -

    try boot more often - might be the hard drive ?

    Thanks....pretty sure I tried disconnecting the hard drive and I had the same issue last week. It loaded fine this morning. I'll try disconnect the hard drive next time it happens. Not sure on the logs/epg suggestion but will check that out also.


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  • #1312
    Big Wex fan
    Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Big Wex fan


    Nowso wrote: »
    not sure soundls like somthings building up epg or logs or something -

    try boot more often - might be the hard drive ?

    Could be the hard drive is on its way out.


  • #1313
    Big Wex fan
    Registered Users Posts: 351 ✭✭Big Wex fan


    My zgemma H2S image corrupted, anyone got a backup to share. Thanks in advance.


  • #1314
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    So I bought the Sab triple tuner from freetv this week for spark only.I believe is a clone of the amiko.Problem is crossepg won't load the details or go past the day to display next days into. I have set it to net for time,formatted to ntfs. No joy. Spark ap says no net connection on box every time I try to connect. Firmware is 2016.


  • #1315
    Nigzcurran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    So I bought the Sab triple tuner from freetv this week for spark only.I believe is a clone of the amiko.Problem is crossepg won't load the details or go past the day to display next days into. I have set it to net for time,formatted to ntfs. No joy. Spark ap says no net connection on box every time I try to connect. Firmware is 2016.
    Nowso is the resident spark genius and he'll be on shortly to help you out im sure


  • #1316
    Nowso
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    So I bought the Sab triple tuner from freetv this week for spark only.I believe is a clone of the amiko.Problem is crossepg won't load the details or go past the day to display next days into. I have set it to net for time,formatted to ntfs. No joy. Spark ap says no net connection on box every time I try to connect. Firmware is 2016.


    1.2.76 or 3 is lastes on there i think -

    if u go on epg and then f1 button to set uo epg select 28.2 in providers

    how is your box connected to the internet


  • #1317
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Tuesday13 wrote: »
    I'm running open ATV on an AMIKO alien box. I have this re-occurring issue whereby it freezes when booting. It normally loads as far as '49' or '99' and then it just hangs. Recently I've had to load the enigma image again but within weeks it happens again, any ideas? Thanks

    So that bug is still present with OpenAtv on the Amiko's years later .:o

    I found formatting the hard drive as Fat32 would reduce the risk of this issue happening.


  • #1318
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Nowso wrote: »
    1.2.76 or 3 is lastes on there i think -

    if u go on epg and then f1 button to set uo epg select 28.2 in providers

    how is your box connected to the internet
    sent you a pm. I selected 28.2 all steps followed . I'm using two tuners on the box and the saorview. All I get is the days program guide with no details of each program only the name.


  • #1319
    Nowso
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    sent you a pm. I selected 28.2 all steps followed . I'm using two tuners on the box and the saorview. All I get is the days program guide with no details of each program only the name.

    try rebooting that may help

    there is the 1.2.76 from 2015

    https://www.sabsatellite.nl/en/product/766/sab-unix-triple-hd-s903


  • #1320
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Thanks nowso. Tried rebooting it didn't work. The time setting is not updating when I set it to net.ill keep trying


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  • #1321
    Nowso
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    Thanks nowso. Tried rebooting it didn't work. The time setting is not updating when I set it to net.ill keep trying

    you can set time by transponder or via internet aswell it seems your net may not be working go into settings network and make sure dhcp is on and ur connection is live


  • #1322
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Nowso wrote: »
    you can set time by transponder or via internet aswell it seems your net may not be working go into settings network and make sure dhcp is on and ur connection is live

    didnt work. the internet is working definetly as i can connect the opera ap on it. spark net is not working . i think its the box itself as its old and was an end of line with no support from my seller. is there anyway i can use the usb key for extra memory to help download the full epg. also cant find what button to use to flash the box with open atv 6.1. was gonna try load wooshbuild onto it


  • #1323
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    forgot to mention my firmware version is 1.2.84


  • #1324
    Nowso
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    forgot to mention my firmware version is 1.2.84


    yes a usb /hard drive good for epg - ive installed wooshbuild today on an 8900 can be tricky at times


  • #1325
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    I have been using Freshpots Hyperion 4.5 without any major issues for a long time now. Is there any new consistent image out there?

    Any new boxes that outperform the Amiko Alien 2?


  • #1326
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    cyndale wrote: »
    I have been using Freshpots Hyperion 4.5 without any major issues for a long time now. Is there any new consistent image out there?

    Any new boxes that outperform the Amiko Alien 2?


    The Zgemma H7S makes an AA2 look like a pushbike compared to a Ferrari.


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  • #1327
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    That's great to hear! I am too old for a pushbike, well that is what I am going to tell my wife, ha!

    Who sells them in Ireland?


  • #1328
    Gerry Wicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Dont know if anyone here sells them but WoS linked above will install whatever image you want plus HDD etc. Also Sterling is weak just now ;)


  • #1329
    Nigzcurran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Gerry Wicklow wrote: »
    The Zgemma H7S makes an AA2 look like a pushbike compared to a Ferrari.

    I see it mentions something about a stalker app, does that mean it can be used for iptv like a mag box?


  • #1330
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    One thing though ,the picture quality of them still cant be beaten ,especially standard definition.
    I thought the Arm based receivers like the H7 and the Octagon Sf8008 would give similar picture quality but unfortunately thats not been the case,much to my disappointment.

    The Aliens are old now ,they came out in 2012 I think ,things have moved on an awful lot since then .
    There are some really powerful receivers for under 100 euro now ,that have great specs.


  • #1331
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    Zardoz wrote: »
    One thing though ,the picture quality of them still cant be beaten ,especially standard definition.
    I thought the Arm based receivers like the H7 and the Octagon Sf8008 would give similar picture quality but unfortunately thats not been the case,much to my disappointment.

    The Aliens are old now ,they came out in 2012 I think ,things have moved on an awful lot since then .
    There are some really powerful receivers for under 100 euro now ,that have great specs.


    Just for clarity, which box still can't be beaten for standard definition?


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  • #1332
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    cyndale wrote: »
    Just for clarity, which box still can't be beaten for standard definition?

    The Alien 1 and 2.


  • #1333
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    Zardoz wrote: »
    The Alien 1 and 2.




    Thanks for that, I thought so! My Amiko Alien 2 has served me well!


  • #1334
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    cyndale wrote: »
    Thanks for that, I thought so! My Amiko Alien 2 has served me well!

    I had a bit of time today so I put the Alien 2 back into usage in the kitchen.
    I flashed the PurE2 image onto it as I've heard good things about it .
    Very impressed with it so far ,its got some very nice features and loads of plugins on the feed.

    For example , you can run the image off a usb drive so the flash memory size isn't restricted.
    You can have different images on different partitions ,so you can multiboot.

    Anybody else using PurE2 ?


  • #1335
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    Zardoz wrote: »
    I had a bit of time today so I put the Alien 2 back into usage in the kitchen.
    I flashed the PurE2 image onto it as I've heard good things about it .
    Very impressed with it so far ,its got some very nice features and loads of plugins on the feed.

    For example , you can run the image off a usb drive so the flash memory size isn't restricted.
    You can have different images on different partitions ,so you can multiboot.

    Anybody else using PurE2 ?


    Can you send a link for the PurE2 Image please. Would love to try it, thanks!


  • #1336
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    cyndale wrote: »
    Can you send a link for the PurE2 Image please. Would love to try it, thanks!

    http://www.pur-e2.club/OU/images/index.php?dir=6.3/fulan/
    or
    http://www.pur-e2.club/OU/images/index.php?dir=6.5/fulan/

    I installed version 6.3.


  • #1337
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Zardoz wrote: »
    I had a bit of time today so I put the Alien 2 back into usage in the kitchen.
    I flashed the PurE2 image onto it as I've heard good things about it .
    Very impressed with it so far ,its got some very nice features and loads of plugins on the feed.

    For example , you can run the image off a usb drive so the flash memory size isn't restricted.
    You can have different images on different partitions ,so you can multiboot.

    Anybody else using PurE2 ?
    So you can say replace Hyperion with PurE2, reboot in PurE2, then using I assume some utility in the image, move it to a partitioned usb drive, then you can add other image backups such as your original Hyperion backup you made before you reflashed, and have it or PurE2 as a choice of boot up images, while the flash memory remains free.
    Am I on the right track here, and while I'm asking, whats the fastest way to back up your current image into that same two file image in a folder named enigma2. Its been so long I've forgotten.


  • #1338
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    To answer my own question, OpenMultiBoot is a plugin, which presumably is box specific. It carries the warning, "if it works on your STB". Version 2.5 is for OpenPli, which is Hyperion? I wonder can I install this first while in Hyperion, then use it to disk boot PurE2. Only one way to find out....

    http://www.hd-digital-satcrew.com/forum/board385-pur-e2-image-bereich/board396-plugins-auf-dem-pur-e2-online-feed/29007-open-multi-boot-if-it-works-in-your-stb/


  • #1339
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    I used this tutorial Deezell to install the images
    http://www.hd-digital-satcrew.com/forum/board1-start-allgemein/board207-faqs-f%C3%BCr-anf%C3%A4nger-der-sat-technik/board208-faqs-f%C3%BCr-plugins/31964-image-manager-for-multiboot-in-sh4-stbs/

    I tried to install a Hyperion backup to one of the partitions on the usb drive but it gave an error ,as I believe the backup needs to be the compressed type .
    The backups created using the Spark plugin are not compressed .
    I will have another try later.


  • #1340
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    Zardoz wrote: »
    I used this tutorial Deezell to install the images
    http://www.hd-digital-satcrew.com/forum/board1-start-allgemein/board207-faqs-f%C3%BCr-anf%C3%A4nger-der-sat-technik/board208-faqs-f%C3%BCr-plugins/31964-image-manager-for-multiboot-in-sh4-stbs/

    I tried to install a Hyperion backup to one of the partitions on the usb drive but it gave an error ,as I believe the backup needs to be the compressed type .
    The backups created using the Spark plugin are not compressed .
    I will have another try later.
    Are you running the PurE2 image from the Amiko or the USB?


  • #1341
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    cyndale wrote: »
    Are you running the PurE2 image from the Amiko or the USB?

    I have a basic PurE2 image installed in the Amiko flash memory and a bigger image with plugins on the usb.


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  • #1342
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    Zardoz wrote: »
    I have a basic PurE2 image installed in the Amiko flash memory and a bigger image with plugins on the usb.


    So how do you get the image onto the USB?


  • #1343
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    So how do you get the image with plugins onto the USB?


  • #1344
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    cyndale wrote: »
    So how do you get the image onto the USB?

    Its all in the tutorial I linked.
    I built the image on the internal flash and then I copied that image to the usb using the image manager plugin.
    I then booted from that image on the usb drive and added extra plugins etc.


  • #1345
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    Zardoz wrote: »
    Its all in the tutorial I linked.
    I built the image on the internal flash and then I copied that image to the usb using the image manager plugin.
    I then booted from that image on the usb drive and added extra plugins etc.


    Is picture quality on HD/SD as good as (or better than) Hyperion 4.5? Many green screens? I have to say I rarely get a green screen with 4.5, usually my fault if I do!


  • #1346
    Zardoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    cyndale wrote: »
    Is picture quality on HD/SD as good as (or better than) Hyperion 4.5? Many green screens? I have to say I rarely get a green screen with 4.5, usually my fault if I do!

    Same picture quality as Hyperion.

    I've had very few crashes ,its locked up a few times though but I was installing stuff so thats to be expected.


  • #1347
    Nigzcurran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    I've a bit of spare time so I'm gonna give that new image a go today. Havnt tinkered with the sab in a long time!


  • #1348
    cyndale
    Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭cyndale


    Nigzcurran wrote: »
    I've a bit of spare time so I'm gonna give that new image a go today. Havnt tinkered with the sab in a long time!
    I am just afraid with all that is going on in our world that I might bugger it up and have no telly, ha!


  • #1349
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Zardoz wrote: »
    Its all in the tutorial I linked.
    I built the image on the internal flash and then I copied that image to the usb using the image manager plugin.
    I then booted from that image on the usb drive and added extra plugins etc.

    I'd give this a go, that tutorial in the Swahili English blog is indecipherable, but another poster at the end of Ahmed's Holi inspired blog has rewritten the procedure really well, so I'll follow that, but first I absolutely want a flash backup of my PKTeam Hyperion install, not the big file by file backup. I might also work from a different USB drive, rather than partitioning my existing solid state one. Think I can do the compressed flash backup from within Hyperion, can't remember.


  • #1350
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Zardoz wrote: »
    I used this tutorial Deezell to install the images
    http://www.hd-digital-satcrew.com/forum/board1-start-allgemein/board207-faqs-f%C3%BCr-anf%C3%A4nger-der-sat-technik/board208-faqs-f%C3%BCr-plugins/31964-image-manager-for-multiboot-in-sh4-stbs/

    I tried to install a Hyperion backup to one of the partitions on the usb drive but it gave an error ,as I believe the backup needs to be the compressed type .
    The backups created using the Spark plugin are not compressed .
    I will have another try later.
    I have remembered how to make flash backups from within Hyperion, it's in the blue panel, System/Backup/Make full backup, then select Flash from the Full backup type. This makes the e2jffs2.img and uImage files, which you can then add to one of your partitions and use the OpenMultiBoot plugin to install on one of your USB drive partitions. Gives me cover in that I can restore hyperion if I mess up


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  • #1351
    Tinder Surprise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Tinder Surprise


    Interesting!

    I haven't even turned mine on in probably over 18months or more

    Whats the latest image/date?

    Might give me something to do after all the housework, DIY, Gardening etc. etc is exhausted :rolleyes: :pac:


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