Aston Villa Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

Neil3030 · 11-09-2013 11:32am

I like him already.

Neil3030 · 11-09-2013 1:10pm

http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/1-0-libor-kozak-czech-republic-v-italy/

jimmy the car · 12-09-2013 2:56pm

Will Kozak start at the weekend does anyone reckon? Tempted to stick a fiver on him anytime goal for the craic but all depoends if he'll even get on....

JPA · 12-09-2013 3:15pm

jimmy the car wrote: »

Will Kozak start at the weekend does anyone reckon? Tempted to stick a fiver on him anytime goal for the craic but all depoends if he'll even get on....

Don't think he will start, may get on if comfortable or the opposite, chasing the game.

Neil3030 · 13-09-2013 9:44am

Last two weeks have ground in like mass.

jimmy the car · 13-09-2013 10:18am

Neil3030 wrote: »

Last two weeks have ground in like mass.

Just praying the local will show the game tomorrow now, noticed Arsenal and City are on at 3 on Al Jazerra as well so hoping I can get it on at leat one tv.....

Neil3030 · 13-09-2013 12:34pm

jimmy the car wrote: »

Just praying the local will show the game tomorrow now, noticed Arsenal and City are on at 3 on Al Jazerra as well so hoping I can get it on at leat one tv.....

Actually some very nice matches tomorrow, kicking off with Man U v Palace in the early game, then Villa in the 4 o'clock kickoff, then Everton v Chelsea later on.

COYVB · 13-09-2013 1:14pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Actually some very nice matches tomorrow, kicking off with Man U v Palace in the early game, then Villa in the 4 o'clock kickoff, then Everton v Chelsea later on.

I was going to correct you to say we're at 3, then I thought sure we only start playing in the second half anyway, so you're probably right:D

Eathrin · 13-09-2013 1:30pm

Grealish gone on loan to Notts County.

Neil3030 · 13-09-2013 1:50pm

COYVB wrote: »

I was going to correct you to say we're at 3, then I thought sure we only start playing in the second half anyway, so you're probably right:D

That or I'm an hour ahead!

Doodee · 13-09-2013 10:52pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

That or I'm an hour ahead!

This here. And will be just off a flight so no match for me

LeBash · 14-09-2013 1:12pm

Just put 2 bets on. 4-3 @ 175/1 and 5-3 @ 225/1 to Villa. Just think both teams are so rotren at the back that its going to be a big score.

JPA · 14-09-2013 1:14pm

LeBash wrote: »

Just put 2 bets on. 4-3 @ 175/1 and 5-3 @ 225/1 to Villa. Just think both teams are so rotren at the back that its going to be a big score.

2 clean sheets out of 3 for Newcastle, don't think their main problems are defensively.

JPA · 14-09-2013 2:24pm

#AVFC Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Okore, Luna, El Ahmadi, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Delph, Benteke, Weimann

Vurnon San Benito · 14-09-2013 2:42pm

Hopefully it'll be a good game lads, two attacking line-ups.

matrim · 14-09-2013 3:20pm

Feck. 1-0 to Newcastle.

We've started very poorly.

JPA · 14-09-2013 3:28pm

Okore taken a knock.

JPA · 14-09-2013 3:34pm

Delph and his stupid bookings.

shoutman · 14-09-2013 4:11pm

Luna is awful.

JPA · 14-09-2013 4:15pm

What a a miss Gabby. arrgghhh

matrim · 14-09-2013 4:15pm

That's 3 chances we should have scored from so far this half

COYVB · 14-09-2013 4:22pm

shoutman wrote: »

Luna is awful.

He's having a bad game today, but he's not awful

matrim · 14-09-2013 4:26pm

4-2-4

And Benteke scores a minute later

JPA · 14-09-2013 4:27pm

woop woop.

COYVB · 14-09-2013 4:28pm

Imagine what'll happen when Benteke starts playing well

Frankie Lee · 14-09-2013 4:30pm

Hopefully they push on and get a winner now, important to pick up 3 points against the likes of Newcastle.

JPA · 14-09-2013 4:33pm

****e, Ben Arfa completely out of control, can't be contained.

matrim · 14-09-2013 4:43pm

Really need to calm down and stop the long balls

JPA · 14-09-2013 4:54pm

Poor performance and disappointing result.

We have nobody of the class of Ben Arfa, he was the difference.

matrim · 14-09-2013 4:55pm

Poor result we just panicked and couldn't control the game. That's not the first time lamberts thrown on 4 strikers and it hasn't worked.

shoutman · 14-09-2013 4:56pm

Disappointing. We had some really good chances. And at times we just seemed devoid of ideas. We started second half well when we added width and support but it petered out after Newcastle got their second.
Fair result.

Dr. Greenthumb · 14-09-2013 4:58pm

Really need an attacking mid that can play through the strikers. Possession was in our favour but we have no imagination / creativity in the final third.

What's with Benteke also, he's not contributing to general play in comparison to last year.

Newcastle deserved that.

COYVB · 14-09-2013 5:05pm

I think 3 points from the opening 3 games is pretty much what we all expected, albeit with todays game providing the win. As things stand, we've had 3 good performances and one very poor one, but we could well have had 8-10 points had we been taking our chances better. It's early days yet though, and these things take time

COYVB · 14-09-2013 5:06pm

Dr. Greenthumb wrote: »

What's with Benteke also, he's not contributing to general play in comparison to last year

He's been shocking this season so far in terms of his contribution to play

LeBash · 14-09-2013 5:06pm

What a **** 3 weeks for Villa and Ireland fans.

CSF · 14-09-2013 11:29pm

Lowton's defending for the first goal. My god.

Corholio · 14-09-2013 11:41pm

It was very poor today and as decent as the other performances were, in each game the lack of someone who can create has reared its head at times. Villa have nobody who can make something happen, the work hard and hope Benteke scores system is all well and good but its very frustrating and will lead to quite a few more days like today.

Westwood and Delph were just.....there today, neither contributed much. Lowton was awful for the first goal, I have never and still don't rate him as a defender. Hope Okore's injury isnt too bad, that'd be a blow.

Doodee · 15-09-2013 2:34pm

Watched the highlights there. Was a terrible performance.
It just seemed lazy from the lads. Back peddling on Ben Arfa rather than pressure.
Hope we improve very soon.

Ronan Raver77 · 15-09-2013 11:53pm

El Hamidi cause of the goal too lightweight and expected the free..We really needed that win lads..Chatting to a manu fan earlier he reckons they will jump in for Benteke in january!! In fairness he has proven his worth again so im sure the top 6 will be after him come january..Still pissed at the result hopefully we can beat Norwich

COYVB · 16-09-2013 2:46am

Ronan Devitt wrote: »

chatting to a manu fan earlier he reckons they will jump in for Benteke in january!!

prices are inflated in january, so i wouldnt even begin to imagine what kind of fee wed want to do business with anyone for benteke before the summer. 45m? 50m?

listermint · 16-09-2013 11:09am

Ronan Devitt wrote: »

El Hamidi cause of the goal too lightweight and expected the free..We really needed that win lads..Chatting to a manu fan earlier he reckons they will jump in for Benteke in january!! In fairness he has proven his worth again so im sure the top 6 will be after him come january..Still pissed at the result hopefully we can beat Norwich

Dont chat to Man U fans would be my advice.

Does he write for the mirror or something ?

Neil3030 · 16-09-2013 11:13am

Just to get a tiny bit Guardian for a moment, am I the only one a little bit uncomfortable labelling Benteke, "beast", or "the beast", or anything of that nature?

Another example I can think of is Tendai Mtawarira, a black South African rugby player. Every time he gets the ball, the crowd chant, "beeeeast".

I've heard a few people also say it about Okore, that if he gets to grips with the league he could soon become "a beast".

I dunno. There's just something not quite right with a group of largely white people, in an area of strong racial tension (South Africa, working class Britain) applying the word "beast" to what appears to be exclusively black players.

Saab Ed · 16-09-2013 11:17am

Okore injury could be six months. Yikes.

Neil3030 · 16-09-2013 11:34am

Saab Ed wrote: »

Okore injury could be six months. Yikes.

JPA · 16-09-2013 12:25pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Just to get a tiny bit Guardian for a moment, am I the only one a little bit uncomfortable labelling Benteke, "beast", or "the beast", or anything of that nature?

Another example I can think of is Tendai Mtawarira, a black South African rugby player. Every time he gets the ball, the crowd chant, "beeeeast".

I've heard a few people also say it about Okore, that if he gets to grips with the league he could soon become "a beast".

I dunno. There's just something not quite right with a group of largely white people, in an area of strong racial tension (South Africa, working class Britain) applying the word "beast" to what appears to be exclusively black players.

If I could I'd give you a slap!

listermint · 16-09-2013 12:28pm

Saab Ed wrote: »

Okore injury could be six months. Yikes.

Faaaaook

listermint · 16-09-2013 12:29pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Just to get a tiny bit Guardian for a moment, am I the only one a little bit uncomfortable labelling Benteke, "beast", or "the beast", or anything of that nature?

Another example I can think of is Tendai Mtawarira, a black South African rugby player. Every time he gets the ball, the crowd chant, "beeeeast".

I've heard a few people also say it about Okore, that if he gets to grips with the league he could soon become "a beast".

I dunno. There's just something not quite right with a group of largely white people, in an area of strong racial tension (South Africa, working class Britain) applying the word "beast" to what appears to be exclusively black players.

You have a point tbh.

JPA · 16-09-2013 12:29pm

Saab Ed wrote: »

Okore injury could be six months. Yikes.

Very much speculation at this stage.

shoutman · 16-09-2013 12:38pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Just to get a tiny bit Guardian for a moment, am I the only one a little bit uncomfortable labelling Benteke, "beast", or "the beast", or anything of that nature?

Another example I can think of is Tendai Mtawarira, a black South African rugby player. Every time he gets the ball, the crowd chant, "beeeeast".

I've heard a few people also say it about Okore, that if he gets to grips with the league he could soon become "a beast".

I dunno. There's just something not quite right with a group of largely white people, in an area of strong racial tension (South Africa, working class Britain) applying the word "beast" to what appears to be exclusively black players.

Complete nonsense. It is very much a term of enderement.

Mtawarira is called the beast because of two things, 1) his second name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and 2) He's a freak of nature with unnatural strength. Exhibit A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d1nCe9iZ2u0

I often hear people refer to Cian Healy as a beast too, but he already has a nickname.

I think to claim there is some racist undertones is unfair. It just so happens that there are a disproportionate amount of hugely strong and athletic african men, I seriously doubt people are suggesting they have the intellect of wild animals also.

Neil3030 · 16-09-2013 1:10pm

shoutman wrote: »

Complete nonsense. It is very much a term of enderement.

Mtawarira is called the beast because of two things, 1) his second name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and 2) He's a freak of nature with unnatural strength. Exhibit A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d1nCe9iZ2u0

I often hear people refer to Cian Healy as a beast too, but he already has a nickname.

I think to claim there is some racist undertones is unfair. It just so happens that there are a disproportionate amount of hugely strong and athletic african men, I seriously doubt people are suggesting they have the intellect of wild animals also.

I take your word that you've heard Healy being referred to as a beast, but would it be more descriptive rather than categorising? I.e., people saying he is a beast, rather than calling him beast, or the beast. I think there's subtle but very important difference.

Of all the units that exist in sport, the nickname "beast" seems to be reserved for black people. That's just my impression, anyway.

I'm certainly not comfortable using it, what with the connotations associated with the word. Particularly when you look at South Africa, there's something very off-putting about a crowd of largely white middleclass spectators all roaring "BEAST" when one of the few black players get the ball. I'd hate for something similar to be subconsciously underscoring the word's usage for Benteke.

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