Timber prices

893bet · 21-08-2020 9:38pm #1

Any current prices for pulp, pallet and sawlog?

Have almost 30 acres to thin. 2/3 second thin and 1/3 on first thin.

redbeaard · 30-08-2020 11:49am

893bet wrote: »

Any current prices for pulp, pallet and sawlog?

Have almost 30 acres to thin. 2/3 second thin and 1/3 on first thin.

Best thing to do is just ring up a few sawmills near your area. It'll give you a good idea of which one is giving best prices too.

I don't know much about prices as I havent thinned yet but by the sounds of it prices are good atm because of a lack of wood in the system due to the lack of felling licences getting issued.

blue5000 · 04-09-2020 2:26pm

893 bet let us know how you get on. Have you a felling licence got or are you just applying for one? I'm hearing Sitka sawlog is very close to €100 a ton delivered.

99nsr125 · 05-09-2020 12:53pm

blue5000 wrote: »

893 bet let us know how you get on. Have you a felling licence got or are you just applying for one? I'm hearing Sitka sawlog is very close to €100 a ton delivered.

What's that per cube
Standing ?
Roadside ?

BryonManning · 10-09-2020 1:03pm

100€ ton is very expensive. I think you can find cheaper.

893bet · 19-09-2020 9:05am

blue5000 wrote: »

893 bet let us know how you get on. Have you a felling licence got or are you just applying for one? I'm hearing Sitka sawlog is very close to €100 a ton delivered.

I have a licence (lucky enough) Expires next autumn. Going to wait until next summer to to the thinning I have decided. No point rushing it.

The cost of harvesting and haulage is a joke. 21-22quid a tonne to harvest, 10-11 euro a tonne to haul.

As such for the pulp wood you are left with than 4 euro a tonne into your hand and for the pallet wood, depending on length 16-20quod into your hand.

I bought a load of stakes from PDM recently. Prob 4 tonne of timber today.......and also got an estimate showing 450 tonne of thinning to be taken out.

Not that much different between what I paid and what I will get paid. Tonnage a little different though. Farmer grows for 20 years and gets screwed. Harvested handles for 1 minute a tree and makes more....

cycling is fun · 21-09-2020 1:38pm

893bet wrote: »

I have a licence (lucky enough) Expires next autumn. Going to wait until next summer to to the thinning I have decided. No point rushing it.

The cost of harvesting and haulage is a joke. 21-22quid a tonne to harvest, 10-11 euro a tonne to haul.

As such for the pulp wood you are left with than 4 euro a tonne into your hand and for the pallet wood, depending on length 16-20quod into your hand.

I bought a load of stakes from PDM recently. Prob 4 tonne of timber today.......and also got an estimate showing 450 tonne of thinning to be taken out.

Not that much different between what I paid and what I will get paid. Tonnage a little different though. Farmer grows for 20 years and gets screwed. Harvested handles for 1 minute a tree and makes more....

It's the same for beef farmers they have the cattle the longest take the biggest risk and get **** all,

you can get a harvesting head for an excavator I am thinking I might do that and cut the trees myself,

and as Tim from Tang suggested I might try to add value on site.

That way you get to keep more of the money

893bet · 15-05-2021 8:38pm

I am on for second thinning a portion in the next month and first thinning another part.

Prices strong for “sold standing” at the moment.

3.4 pallet - €43 per tonne
1.9 Stake - €12
Pulp - €10

99nsr125 · 16-05-2021 12:26pm

893bet wrote: »

I am on for second thinning a portion in the next month and first thinning another part.

Prices strong for “sold standing” at the moment.

3.4 pallet - €43 per tonne
1.9 Stake - €12
Pulp - €10

Can I ask your rough location, acreage and distance to a mill

893bet · 16-05-2021 12:33pm

99nsr125 wrote: »

Can I ask your rough location, acreage and distance to a mill

Limerick area. No idea where it’s going. That’s the standing price net to me.

12 acres second thing. 12 acres first thin. 350-400 tonne estimated.

blue5000 · 16-05-2021 3:26pm

893bet wrote: »

Limerick area. No idea where it’s going. That’s the standing price net to me.

12 acres second thing. 12 acres first thin. 350-400 tonne estimated.

Do you get much control over what they take out, like are trees marked beforehand?

893bet · 16-05-2021 3:30pm

blue5000 wrote: »

Do you get much control over what they take out, like are trees marked beforehand?

That wouldn’t be possible. It’s 25 acres. Gotta trust them. They are pro’s.

Forester had said for get about tree size. Some times a big one comes out as it makes sense. You could have a big one that crowding tree smaller ones. Leave it there and you have one tree. Take it out and someday you have 3 trees.

$kilkenny · 17-05-2021 10:07pm

893bet wrote: »

That wouldn’t be possible. It’s 25 acres. Gotta trust them. They are pro’s.

Forester had said for get about tree size. Some times a big one comes out as it makes sense. You could have a big one that crowding tree smaller ones. Leave it there and you have one tree. Take it out and someday you have 3 trees.

You could get the 2nd thinning marked by someone that knows what they are doing? Easy done and have done it myself from time to time. Works well and definitely makes sense financially. 12 acres would take about 3 days to mark plus paint.

Doesn't make a difference who thins it or who buys it as the quality of the job is already sorted because the trees are marked to come out. I would mark the potential clearfell trees, about 1000 a hectare aswell as my thinning to be removed, makes marking subsequent thinning easier. Usually I've found if sawmills or contractors offer high prices for thinnings, there is always a catch and the quality of work suffers leading to windblown or a low quality crop for clearfell resulting to a lower value.

893bet · 20-05-2021 7:18pm

Gonna give them the trust to do the right job.

Only weeks left on licence.

20-05-2021 7:33pm

I've no knowledge of forestry at all, but I love seeing some of the mad designs on machinery used (not just in this area, but in almost any area where specialist machinery is needed).

The yoke on the back of the truck there looks like something out of a horror film.

blue5000 · 22-05-2021 2:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've no knowledge of forestry at all, but I love seeing some of the mad designs on machinery used (not just in this area, but in almost any area where specialist machinery is needed).

The yoke on the back of the truck there looks like something out of a horror film.

At 23 ton you're probably not too far off what the ruts would be like on wet ground:eek:

893bet · 24-05-2021 10:09pm

Sheer width of machine had meant in portions two full rows have been removed which is a little disappointing but unavoidable.

Let this thread act as a warning to ask the width of the machine. It could be a consideration when deciding on contractor for some. They are not taking a lot really apart from the paths. Odd one hear and there.

biddyearley · 26-05-2021 6:52pm

Smaller machines in for an early first thin between 15-17 years should be usual practice.

Maintains growth and increases wind firm crop as well as less ground rutting which can be a problem.

blue5000 · 27-05-2021 3:34pm

893bet wrote: »

Sheer width of machine had meant in portions two full rows have been removed which is a little disappointing but unavoidable.

Let this thread act as a warning to ask the width of the machine. It could be a consideration when deciding on contractor for some. They are not taking a lot really apart from the paths. Odd one hear and there.

Thanks for the heads up. If they are taking out 2 rows how many rows are left between the next path? Trees are a decent size for first thinning in the pics.

Freejin · 27-05-2021 9:14pm

Would anybody stab a guess at the value per acre of forestry similar to what 893bet is getting thinned here? For an insurance quote. Or where would one go to get an estimation?

893bet · 28-05-2021 4:21pm

Freejin wrote: »

Would anybody stab a guess at the value per acre of forestry similar to what 893bet is getting thinned here? For an insurance quote. Or where would one go to get an estimation?

It’s a difficult one. The value of the timber might be 2-3 k per acre only at the current price but it will grow exponentially over the 10 years to a hopefully 10-12 k an acre. The 2-3k an acre is not representative of the value.

It can be a struggle to get insurance for any forest over 20 years old I suspect.

893bet · 28-05-2021 4:26pm

blue5000 wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up. If they are taking out 2 rows how many rows are left between the next path? Trees are a decent size for first thinning in the pics.

5-7. It’s only on a certain portion and obviously related back to planting day one where rows were too close. Perhaps frees planes on the wrong side of the mounds or similar. 6 inches can make the difference (that’s what she said).

Forwarder on site today which is good to see. Sooner the timber moves the better. Ain’t no point it drying out here...! Pictures to follow.

Great to see the first opening up and light going in. Nature get a chance under trees on the paths again. Will be shivering ever winter from wind blow though! Fingers crossed. It’s my retirement plan for 10-15 years time when I am mid fifty’s. Replant it for my Sons retirement.

893bet · 28-05-2021 8:10pm

The forwarder ain’t exactly small.

Weather hasn’t suited the last month sadly. Gone very mucky. They have not had to put the tracks on yet.

3.1m Pallet below

2.4m pallet below across the dyke and the yearlings and in calf heifers in for the weekend.

Stake wood

Pulp wood. Lots of twisted larch

BorneTobyWilde · 31-05-2021 10:32pm

Where will all that timber end up. Who will haul it

893bet · 03-06-2021 9:39am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Where will all that timber end up. Who will haul it

Harvester is arranging haulage.

Not sure where it is all going as it will go to different places depending on timber type/price etc.

Pallet wood going to Coolrain saw mills. That’s all that has left site so far.

BorneTobyWilde · 11-06-2021 3:37pm

893bet wrote: »

Harvester is arranging haulage.

Not sure where it is all going as it will go to different places depending on timber type/price etc.

Pallet wood going to Coolrain saw mills. That’s all that has left site so far.

Thats where they nail you, arranging haulage, at a massive expense they'll tell you, and then pay the hauler peanuts.

You should get it hauled yourself

893bet · 11-06-2021 10:58pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Thats where they nail you, arranging haulage, at a massive expense they'll tell you, and then pay the hauler peanuts.

You should get it hauled yourself

They are arranging and paying the haulage. The price quoted is net to me.

893bet · 13-06-2021 8:58am

They are finished up since Friday.

Most of the 3.4 pallet is already gone. One load left. And a load of 2.4 pallet. 3 loads of stake wood gone. 1-2 loads left of that also.

And a **** tonne of pulp wood full of twisted timber.

That pile is over 4 metres high. Hard to get a point of reference but you can see a post at one side that’s at around 40 inches high.

Should be a decent little tax free earner! Now to apply for the next felling licence which will be a thinning/clearfell

biddyearley · 13-06-2021 11:27am

Very satisfying to see forest thinned and product heading out the gate.

blue5000 · 24-06-2021 11:59am

Well OP, have you a sack of money yet? I was watching the teagasc webinar on selling timber, I didn't realize there could be up to 10-15% tax between prsi and usc to be paid on the profits after harvesting cost. The webinar should be up on youtube fairly soon.

893bet · 25-06-2021 9:49am

blue5000 wrote: »

Well OP, have you a sack of money yet? I was watching the teagasc webinar on selling timber, I didn't realize there could be up to 10-15% tax between prsi and usc to be paid on the profits after harvesting cost. The webinar should be up on youtube fairly soon.

No sack of money yet. But last timber left this week. They didn’t leave a twig behind literally.

Prob net around 11-12k before tax which I think I will be 12 percent for usc and prsi.

Will stick up a final report when I get to give people an idea of timber yield.

893bet · 31-07-2021 10:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117501278#Comment_117501278

Sack of money in hand! Dealing direct with the harvester was a positive experience. They didn’t leave a twig behind. Literally took everything!

Summary.

area circa 25-30 acres (hard to know exact as a few bits were left alone)

half it first thin

half it on a second thin

180 tonne of 3.4m pallet wood, this was approx 44 euro tonne net to be.

30 tonne of 2.5m pallet this was 24 euro net to me

100 tonne 1.9m stake wood, this was 13 euro net to me

100 tonne of pulp wood, this was 10 euro net to me.

Around 11.5k into my hand with usc and PRSI used on that so should net 10k or so so not a bad earner.

Hopefully the forest will benefit and keep growing and stay standing!

Good loser · 25-09-2021 11:35pm

That's a lot more than we got (per acre) for 100 acres second thinning. Two to five years ago. Probably by a factor of 3.

We got into a pretty disastrous deal to cut and store/dry the pulp timber for what was to be one year but turned out to be three plus.

Agency took 10% supposedly but no transparency in the deal.

893 bet got a far better deal.

My advice is get timber away fresh and get cash in hand within 1 or 2 months.

(Incidentally the stake buyer would only buy Sitka - Norway not suitable for him - it shatters or something in the processing)

spot on · 20-10-2021 2:01pm

Trying to get a thinning done but have been messed about with a few different people, any advice I'm in east kerry with 30 acres of 25 year old Sitka

893bet · 20-10-2021 3:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118047866#Comment_118047866

Have you a thinning licence in place?

spot on · 20-10-2021 3:19pm

Yup

$kilkenny · 20-10-2021 9:11pm

Have you tried the lads in GP Wood Spot on? Wouldn't be too far away from you.

893bet · 20-10-2021 9:12pm

And what way are you being messed about?

spot on · 20-10-2021 11:00pm

People not answering calls, hidden costs and high transport or forwarder costs at one stage best price person were charging over 20 euro for transport, every person saying you can only trust them and saying how bad the competition are, others saying aluding that I will have my timber robbed if I go with someone else to do my thinning. Iv had one company promise the world but delivered nothing concrete.

$kilkenny · 21-10-2021 10:33pm

Who have you tried? Could recommend a few people if you haven't been talking to them already. A private message might be best off 🙃

leinster93 · 27-10-2021 11:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058106631/timber-prices

Been given a price of sawlog 4.9m - €70, small sawlog 3.7m - €50, pallet 3.1m - €46, stake -€21, pulp - €10 by a harvesting company for thinning.

Are these expected by others experience?

Should I also ask for a figure for transportation cost of timber per ton to the saw mill?

I haven't been given this. Is there anything else I should look for relating to hidden costs?

I don't mean to hijack a thread but was hoping on someone's experience like yourself...

893bet · 27-10-2021 11:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083029#Comment_118083029

Is that the standing price? I.e net to you? Good prices except for the sawlog which sounds low. Assume it’s 2nd thinning?

leinster93 · 27-10-2021 11:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083050#Comment_118083050

2nd thinning but way overdue by a few yrs although growth not effect as such. No mention of net to me or other expenses included or not included for that matter. 70 and 50 for saw log. What would today's price be?

I should probably also ask about transport cost

Good loser · 25-11-2021 9:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118083093#Comment_118083093

Surely those prices are after transport i.e. you will not have to pay for transport. I got €10 net for pulp ten years ago.

I think a good way of getting an idea of prices is off a transport company; they would have up to date knowledge and know who are the best buyers at the time. Of course they could also have their favourites. Maybe go to Teagasc for information

Ask around for a recommendation for a harvesting company. When I harvested a second thinning the tonnage the contractor charged me for was way more than I got aid for in sales. 20% plus.

blue5000 · 29-11-2021 12:25pm

Good loser did the timber dry out between harvesting and transport to the mill? Another possibility is that 20% might have gone somewhere else, did you count the loads and compare what was delivered?

Good loser · 02-12-2021 2:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238946#Comment_118238946

I was careful enough re the loads so I don't believe any went astray.

There were 3 products in second thinning - pallet, stake and pulp. The pallet and stake went away fresh so any weight loss was small.

The pulp was around for a few years (a long bad story) so didn't even try to reconcile those figures.

Saw a guy (Murphy?) from Hackettstown in last week's Journal. Doing part clearfell and part thinning on good land. Euorforest seemed to be employed as managing agents.

BorneTobyWilde · 10-12-2021 1:18am

Why not arrange transport yourself.

Good loser · 22-12-2021 10:00pm

I heard of a farmer that delivered his timber with a tractor and trailer to a mill. Someone - either the Dept or the buyer on instruction from the Dept - stopped the practice.

leoch · 18-01-2022 11:31am

Hi lads first time posting on forestry but I'm looking for advice on wat to charge for fir trees cut cleaned and in full lengths lying on ground some are nearly 3ft thick...neighbour wants to take them and asked me wat they are worth but I haven't a clue ....they were growing maybe 40/50 years massive height altogether thanks in advance lads

BorneTobyWilde · 18-01-2022 6:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493433#Comment_118493433

How long are the lengths, what is it one or two trees, not sure anyone would bother, would have to be truck load at least.

leoch · 18-01-2022 7:14pm

Very very long maybe 30 mtrs I'm not sure there is 10 or a dozen of them

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