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Nantes Cathedral Fire; arson suspected

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    #32
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Hayley Tart Southpaw wrote: »
    False accusations such as this are very nasty, and indeed very uncivil.

    You make false accusations on here all of the time, it seems you want different rules for yourself.


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    #33
    quickbeam
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Mod: Accumulator, Timberrrrrrrr: Please both of you cut out the back and forth snipping and get back to the discussion at hand.


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    #34
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,373 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Hayley Tart Southpaw wrote: »
    Actually what was said appears to remain, and stand, as 100% correct:



    If you can show where/when a church had it's roof 'blown off' (or a serious, and viable attempt to do so). Or where/when a priest had his neck chopped, do feel free to supply details.

    Not really the same classification as starting a small corner fire, when you consider the advanced plans that were made for Barca & London. The Barcelona incident actually had a loaded large truck of cannisters ready to roll, before interception.

    Also, the trend of +285%, shows proof of a trended (increase) of attacks, yes?
    Curious why some here are so eager to twist such plain facts to suit some agenda.

    A small corner fire? The churches were burned to the ground.

    I'd describe this as more than a small corner fire.

    [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ67yW5VcAAgxEs.jpg/IMG] I'd say the roof is off there alright.[/img]


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    #35
    [Deleted User]
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    Fionn1952 wrote: »
    There were over 50 churches burned down in Norway in the early 90s due to a specific ideology actually, so it's certainly not zero or close to it pre-2015.

    The Irony is that man who committed this is now living in France


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    #36
    [Deleted User]
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    Rwandan man arrested for causing fire. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53542936


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    #37
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Rwandan man arrested for causing fire. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53542936
    His re-arrest after so many days tells us he must have had a good enough alabi pre-prepared, or had some assistance.

    Some here apply a dose of 'ah sure look it' whataboutery about some fire(s) in Norway (28yrs ago) attributed, and solved in every case, to niche black metal music fans during a limited 4yr period.

    However the trend across Europe (Germany, France, Spain, UK is clear):
    285% increase, over a sustained period (2008 to 2019), and across all of Europe

    Maps of monthly (if reported) attacks in France:
    https://www.christianophobie.fr/carte/carte-04-2020/
    e.g. Priest of the monastic fraternities of Jerusalem threatened with a knife by an Afghan homeless man (also hosted by the fraternity) April 27, 2020, in Strasbourg (Bas-Rhin).

    If anything the Jewish folks in France probably have it even worse, with many of their Hypermarkets, shops, publishers, businesses along with places of worship attacked or burnt down. If the Buddists or Hindus had any sizable presence there, perhaps they too would become targets.

    Modern day France appears to be about to follow the trend across N.Africa & M'East where certain opposing religions are now under persecution.


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    #38
    Dohnjoe
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    So looks like it's not a conspiracy, just someone setting fire to the cathedral for whatever personal reason


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    #39
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    So looks like it's not a conspiracy, just someone setting fire to the cathedral for whatever personal reason
    Indeed, the case is now closed and solved:

    'Rwandan man attempts to burn down one of France's Cathedrals'.

    Well, solved that is, only after the chap, who was considered fully innocent as of yesterday, admitted to it, some time after his release from initial arrest.

    The exact reason hasn't been established, really could be anything. An ideology of some sort perhaps. It might not even have been a 'personal decision'. I.e. A 3rd party could have coherence him (as an important keyholder) to perform this act of hatred on their behalf, under duress.
    Only time will tell, or indeed perhaps well never know.

    Needless to say this type of incident, wasn't the first of it's type. Certainly won't be the last, as France's Churches are under a somewhat sustained attack.
    https://www.christianophobie.fr/carte/carte-04-2020/
    https://www.christianophobie.fr/carte/carte-05-2020/
    https://www.christianophobie.fr/carte/carte-06-2020/

    As per elsewhere in Europe.
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/will-they-stop-at-burning-an-empty-church-anti-christian-attacks-rise-in-europe-48302


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    #40
    Dohnjoe
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    Cast doubt on boring reality, insert hope for exciting conspiracy


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    #41
    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Ignore facts and figures, play down reality of a significant +285% trend, over an extended period, across Europe. Of which 2015+ has been escalating in level of severity.
    Still, nothing to see here folks...    /


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    #42
    Overheal
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    Sounds like y'all are done with this.


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