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Male rape is funny, according to New York Post

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  • #152
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Do you make no distinction between the two?

    Is watching a video of someone get murdered just the same as murdering someone?

    I never heard of the guy in question before this thread, but as far as I can see the only person he's been convicted of having sex with was 17 years of age at the time.

    No I don't see any differance. The crime is carried out by evil sick minded people whose actions lead to young innocent lives been destroyed. Getting involved in child porn/rape wheter watching it or taken part is to me the worst crime and you comparing it to watching other crimes isn't going to change my mind on the matter.


  • #153
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Viewing child porn is not the same as child abuse - it can't be. However it isn't just watching a video either - it's funding and supporting an industry that exploits and brutalises. So it's a lot closer to child abuse than simply viewing a video.


  • #154
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Viewing child porn is not the same as child abuse - it can't be. However it isn't just watching a video either - it's funding and supporting an industry that exploits and brutalises. So it's a lot closer to child abuse than simply viewing a video.

    I think you're confusing something here : "child porn" bears no relation to the (adult) "porn industry" - you do realize that, don't you? It's fair enough to say that the adult porn industry exploits and brutalizes participants (I don't know if that's true but it seems likely and is often expressed - and indeed disagreed with) but it just isn't enough to say the same about illegal child sexual abuse filmed by abusers and then put online.

    It's not just an "industry" it's organized crime.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • #155
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Yeah I should have put "industry" in quote marks.


  • #156
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    volchitsa wrote: »
    It's not just an "industry" it's organized crime.

    Exactly. The words used to describe this industry are totally inadequate for describing it.

    It's not 'porn' it's acts of abuse, rape, violation, degradation, intimidation, violence and terror against defenceless children, captured on film.

    I'm amazed anyone believes that getting your jollies watching it is not that big a deal.


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  • #157
    ThinkProgress
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭ThinkProgress


    Jenny Thalia wrote: »
    You're wrong. It can happen fairly easily.

    Fear can cause an erection.

    Physical stimulation, unwanted or not, can cause an erection.

    Sorry, but this statement is totally riD!CKulous.... lol

    Yes, women certainly can abuse men/boys... but rape? NOPE!

    Not in the way a man can rape another man, woman, child etc. It's just not the same thing.

    Now if you're talking about foreign objects... sedatives and handcuffs... well that's a different story! :eek:


  • #158
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Samaris wrote: »
    Bull****. Are you really so blind as to, rather than hating the incident itself and to make a fuss about it, determine to blame feminism for it? Maybe you should make yourself useful and write to the newspaper in question.

    Also, as you can probably tell, -I'm- getting up in my feminist arms about it, because it's just plain wrong.

    Edit - here's the email to the editors of the New York Post. Make your voice heard; I am :P

    letters@nypost.com

    I'm not blaming feminism for it. Why is attacking feminism for its lack of response to something always labelled as "blaming" feminism for it? Like seriously, if some idiot sets a building on fire and the fire department don't get there in time, are they the ones who started the fire? No.

    I'm merely suggesting that feminism is rife with double standards and this is one of them. They object to the existence of advocates groups specifically for men on the grounds that "feminism cares about both genders", yet it's demonstrable that feminists care a lot less about issues which effect men. Ergo, they are the most basic definition of the word "hypocrite".

    EDIT: I believe fundamentally in freedom of speech so I don't support banning this by the way. It repulses me, but it shouldn't be banned. However, feminists have campaigned to have off-colour jokes about sexual assault removed from tons of websites, so if they don't do the same here, they are demonstrably being hypocrites. Simple enough really.


  • #159
    orubiru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    I'm not blaming feminism for it. Why is attacking feminism for its lack of response to something always labelled as "blaming" feminism for it? Like seriously, if some idiot sets a building on fire and the fire department don't get there in time, are they the ones who started the fire? No.

    I'm merely suggesting that feminism is rife with double standards and this is one of them. They object to the existence of advocates groups specifically for men on the grounds that "feminism cares about both genders", yet it's demonstrable that feminists care a lot less about issues which effect men. Ergo, they are the most basic definition of the word "hypocrite".

    EDIT: I believe fundamentally in freedom of speech so I don't support banning this by the way. It repulses me, but it shouldn't be banned. However, feminists have campaigned to have off-colour jokes about sexual assault removed from tons of websites, so if they don't do the same here, they are demonstrably being hypocrites. Simple enough really.

    I have to say that I disagree here.

    It would be more accurate to say that SOME feminists campaign to have off-colour jokes, or advertisements they find offensive, removed, If we can agree on that then if follows that any outrage over this headline can only be heard if those same feminists are made aware that the headline exists.

    We might want to ask how it's possible in our society that anyone thinks a headline like this is acceptable but I don't see how it's a feminist issue and I don't see how the responsibility of speaking up about it should rest with feminists.


  • #160
    NachoBusiness
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    orubiru wrote: »
    I don't see how it's a feminist issue and I don't see how the responsibility of speaking up about it should rest with feminists.

    I agree that the responsibility should not rest with feminists to speak up. However, feminism, or more accurately, second and third wave feminism, is without question responsible for this newspaper headline which wishes rape on a man. There is zero doubt about that. You won't accept that, of course, and I'd be wasting my time trying to explain why. No doubt it would just be met with another trite 'Even when it was the men, I knew it was the women' reply. So why bother.


  • #161
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Isn't the NY Post owned by Murdoch? I don't believe he's known for his feminist ideals and publications.


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  • #162
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Sorry, but this statement is totally riD!CKulous.... lol

    Yes, women certainly can abuse men/boys... but rape? NOPE!

    Not in the way a man can rape another man, woman, child etc. It's just not the same thing.

    Now if you're talking about foreign objects... sedatives and handcuffs... well that's a different story! :eek:

    Yes, it's hilarious. Okay.


  • #163
    Bullocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Sorry, but this statement is totally riD!CKulous.... lol

    Yes, women certainly can abuse men/boys... but rape? NOPE!

    Not in the way a man can rape another man, woman, child etc. It's just not the same thing.

    Now if you're talking about foreign objects... sedatives and handcuffs... well that's a different story! :eek:

    Strap on


  • #164
    Samaris
    Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Sorry, but this statement is totally riD!CKulous.... lol

    Yes, women certainly can abuse men/boys... but rape? NOPE!

    Not in the way a man can rape another man, woman, child etc. It's just not the same thing.

    Now if you're talking about foreign objects... sedatives and handcuffs... well that's a different story! :eek:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=95840727

    Open up your mind a bit then.

    Also, you're quite right that it would be met with such a comment, NachoBusiness, because it's about the most appropriate response for that nonsense.

    OK, who is "the feminists" that are condoning it? I'll sit here as a feminist and point out that I've condemned it, given you all the email address to complain about it and written to them.

    What have you lot done, bar complain that the feminists are mean?


  • #165
    conorh91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    In 2013, the Department of Justice in the US released figures that showed that 216,000 inmates were sexually assaulted while serving time, compared to 90,479 rape cases outside of prison.
    Sexual assault and rape are not the same thing. You're not comparing the same thing.

    Men are capable of being raped under US law, so you should be comparing male rape and female rape as a total. Sexual assault is a completely different statistic.


  • #166
    orubiru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru


    NachoBusiness wrote: »
    I agree that the responsibility should not rest with feminists to speak up. However, feminism, or more accurately, second and third wave feminism, is without question responsible for this newspaper headline which wishes rape on a man. There is zero doubt about that. You won't accept that, of course, and I'd be wasting my time trying to explain why. No doubt it would just be met with another trite 'Even when it was the men, I knew it was the women' reply. So why bother.

    Of course I can't accept it. People have been wishing unpleasant fates on serious criminals and making cruel/inappropriate jokes about it for a long long time. A newspaper openly expressing that desire for vengeance has nothing to do with feminism.

    If you want me to accept that fear of feminist backlash is a reason why we would not see this kind of headline about a woman then I can agree with that.

    If you want me to accept that feminism is responsible for a headline wishing rape on a man then I cannot agree with that.

    I can agree that the media is hypocritical in the handling of male and female "gendered" issues but I do not believe that feminism is working behind the scenes to actively encourage a headline like this.

    I do not see the "feminist" or "misandry" angle here at all. Just a really awful and unprofessional headline. Seems more like "we hope this guy gets his comeupance in jail" and, to be honest, we see that everywhere.


  • #167
    Samaris
    Registered Users Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    orubiru wrote: »
    If you want me to accept that fear of feminist backlash is a reason why we would not see this kind of headline about a woman then I can agree with that.

    If you want me to accept that feminism is responsible for a headline wishing rape on a man then I cannot agree with that.

    I can agree that the media is hypocritical in the handling of male and female "gendered" issues but I do not believe that feminism is working behind the scenes to actively encourage a headline like this.

    That much I can agree with, and perhaps that's what some of the other posters were aiming for, and phrasing rather insultingly.

    It's a bit silly to sit there and grumble "Well, why don't them feminists raise an outcry at this and ...I'll just sit here and moan," though.


  • #168
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    A story of prison rape

    http://gawker.com/the-story-of-one-prison-rape-in-an-inmates-own-words-510475353

    A non violent person sentence to years of rape.

    Never forget these rapists then get out of prison. Do you think they are going to never do it again? It might not be a man but I am sure some get to like to rape. What is the person who was raped be like?

    John Dillinger was raped in prison, killed the guy got an already convicted murder to take the blame and when he got out he vowed never to return to prison. It didn't stop him committing crimes he became more violent.

    There was a guy in Ireland who was being held for rape but later all charges were dropped. While in custody he was raped by the convicted rapist he had been put into the same cell with.

    Even the idea of equal punishment doesn't match up. A person convicted of a single rape could end up being raped daily by multiple people for years. Even if you think equal punishment or even 10 times worse punishment this is way beyond that. You also have the risk of disease like HIV, hepatitis.

    In order to stay safe from rape you may link to a gang. Gang life may keep you in prison and have you commit worse crimes. Anybody with any sense can understand that it is not funny nor productive.


  • #169
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Samaris wrote: »
    That much I can agree with, and perhaps that's what some of the other posters were aiming for, and phrasing rather insultingly.

    It's a bit silly to sit there and grumble "Well, why don't them feminists raise an outcry at this and ...I'll just sit here and moan," though.

    I think the question isn't 'why aren't the feminists raising an outcry' but 'why aren't the men's rights activists'? It's right to say that feminist would be all over this is the headline was about a woman, so where are the MRAs on this issue? I'll tell you where they are: they're sitting around going "Why aren't feminists up in arms over this?" Because what's important to them isn't helping men; it's putting down women.


  • #170
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    I wonder do the prisons have Subway :D

    Dont worry Jared lad ill bring you in some Subway.

    That prison food wont be nice enough for you :D


  • #171
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    Prison rape is not only funny but appropriate and justifiable, according to AH (just have a look through this very thread). If you want some group to blame for why headlines like this exist then look no further than yourselves - the people who have created the culture where male rape is joked about and even lauded in certain circumstances.


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  • #172
    sinead88
    Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭sinead88


    Male rape isn't funny at all. It's terrible. As is all rape. I consider myself to be a feminist, but I'd never think of any sort of rape as a laughing matter. Prison rape isn't even a feminist issue. It's about prison reform, which I'm vocally very passionate about. In my experience, the people who cry out about prison rape being an example of feminists ignoring men's issues, are the very ones who go on about prison being "too soft" and advocate for those within the system to be treated abysmally in the name of revenge rather than justice. You can't have it both ways.


  • #173
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    kylith wrote: »
    I think the question isn't 'why aren't the feminists raising an outcry' but 'why aren't the men's rights activists'? It's right to say that feminist would be all over this is the headline was about a woman, so where are the MRAs on this issue? I'll tell you where they are: they're sitting around going "Why aren't feminists up in arms over this?" Because what's important to them isn't helping men; it's putting down women.

    Exactly. Some male posters have even said as much
    DeadHand wrote: »
    I think it's not so much the headline or sentiment itself as the clear double standard that people are animated about. If a similar headline was written about a female under any circumstance the Internet would collapse in righteous fury irregardless of how repellent the woman was.
    So it's not the fact of saying the guy should be raped that's the problem for this poster (and, in his view, everyone else too), it's the fact that they feel they can no longer get away with making similar comments about women.
    "Those pesky women's rights activists, you can't even make a sick joke about raping women any more without them getting all hormonal on you!" :mad:

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • #174
    orubiru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru


    volchitsa wrote: »
    So it's not the fact of saying the guy should be raped that's the problem for this poster (and, in his view, everyone else too), it's the fact that they feel they can no longer get away with making similar comments about women.
    "Those pesky women's rights activists, you can't even make a sick joke about raping women any more without them getting all hormonal on you!" :mad:

    I'm not quite sure that you've got it right there. I don't think anyone is bemoaning the fact that they can't make rape jokes about women.

    It's more like people are asking why do we live in a culture where a headline like this seems to be accepted yet if the subject of the "joke" were a woman then it would absolutely not be accepted.

    The poster you've quoted does not, to me, appear to be saying he wants to see all inclusive rape jokes made about everyone but rather that he'd like to see rape jokes equally condemned regardless of the person who is the subject of the joke.

    We ought to live in a culture where the writer of that headline or the person in charge of the paper should have said "this headline is totally inappropriate, change it". That obviously hasn't happened.

    Yet, I can't shake the feeling that if the headline was a gag about anyone other than a white dude being raped or assaulted in prison then it would, quite correctly, not have been published.

    So you end up feeling like this headline only exists because they knew they could get away with it.

    Sure, First World Problems and all that but it's a worthy topic for discussion.


  • #175
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    orubiru wrote: »
    I'm not quite sure that you've got it right there. I don't think anyone is bemoaning the fact that they can't make rape jokes about women.

    It's more like people are asking why do we live in a culture where a headline like this seems to be accepted yet if the subject of the "joke" were a woman then it would absolutely not be accepted.

    The poster you've quoted does not, to me, appear to be saying he wants to see all inclusive rape jokes made about everyone but rather that he'd like to see rape jokes equally condemned regardless of the person who is the subject of the joke.

    We ought to live in a culture where the writer of that headline or the person in charge of the paper should have said "this headline is totally inappropriate, change it". That obviously hasn't happened.

    Yet, I can't shake the feeling that if the headline was a gag about anyone other than a white dude being raped or assaulted in prison then it would, quite correctly, not have been published.

    So you end up feeling like this headline only exists because they knew they could get away with it.

    Sure, First World Problems and all that but it's a worthy topic for discussion.

    Obviously that's the other interpretation, and is perfectly valid. And yes, of course they did it because they thought they could. OTOH, the NYP, as I mentioned earlier, makes a practice of deliberately provocative headlines, and in the context of press freedom in the U.S., it's not at all clear that the same restrictions apply there, including headlines about women. But that's all speculation, since the point about prison rape of a male rapist doesn't have a comparable meme wrt women. There just isn't one. IMO that's the real reason there aren't prison rape jokes about female prisoners - how many female prisoners are in for rape for one thing?

    As for what this poster meant, I don't know. I certainly haven't seen him saying anything that sounds like support for more of what MRA tend to refer to scathingly as PC control of the press. I had assumed he would tend not to support this sort of increased policing of language - but maybe that's wrong.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • #176
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    orubiru wrote: »
    I'm not quite sure that you've got it right there. I don't think anyone is bemoaning the fact that they can't make rape jokes about women.

    It's more like people are asking why do we live in a culture where a headline like this seems to be accepted yet if the subject of the "joke" were a woman then it would absolutely not be accepted.

    Because men are to blame as much as women. Female sexuality is seen as non-threatening, basically and because of that there's this patronising attitude that a woman could never rape a man. Think about it - man has sex with an underage girl and he's castigated; woman has sex with an underage boy? "Nice", "wish it was me", etc..

    If people really wanted to live in a culture where all rape is seen as wrong then they wouldn't joke about it, they wouldn't minimise its impact on one group and they wouldn't make excuses for it being okay because they feel the person deserves it.


  • #177
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Quick update, Jared got more than fifteen years.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ex-subway-spokesman-fogle-set-sentenced-sex-crimes-article-1.2439994?appalal&utm_content=bufferdc2be&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw


  • #178
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,753 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Prison rape is something very serious, no doubt it spreads disease apart from the violation both physically and mentally to the person who is raped.
    It is something that seems to be accepted in society with things said like, 'don't let the soap fall in the showers',

    Are people who are doing the raping in prisons charged? I listened to a person who was in prison, he was in the mafia, but he said the people who did it didn't see themselves as being homosexual, even if the sex is homosexual in nature, it was not about that, it was about power, if you are the person raping in prison you are showing who is in charge.
    It seems like such an accepted culture in prison in so many countries.

    I suppose if you are trapped as you are in prison, you don't complain in case you make things far worse for yourself, if you are the person being raped.
    We never hear what is being done to protect prisoners from rape.


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