Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18

heebusjeebus · 13-09-2017 10:05am

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Got the email about this yesterday - for the house prices, you'd need to both be working good jobs yet the launch is on a Thursday not at lunch time & they expect people to be able to go? Seriously?!

Also on the location - we drove out there a few weeks back to have a look. Took a turn just down from it (prob 5 mins walk) and were "escorted" out essentially by a traveller on a quad bike as there's a camp down there. Have to say completely put us off especially with the price tags attached to the houses.

Think that traveller site was just temporary and they've moved back up the Glenamuck road.

witchgirl26 · 13-09-2017 10:38am

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Think that traveller site was just temporary and they've moved back up the Glenamuck road.

Really? They didn't seem like they were going anywhere when we were there. It was down the road by the pylons and in round the back.

heebusjeebus · 13-09-2017 10:42am

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Really? They didn't seem like they were going anywhere when we were there. It was down the road by the pylons and in round the back.

It's the entrance just east of the ESB substation I'm thinking of. That entrance is now locked with concrete barriers in front of the gate.

eternal31 · 13-09-2017 10:42am

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Really? They didn't seem like they were going anywhere when we were there. It was down the road by the pylons and in round the back.

what's the name of the road, ballyogan road?

qrx · 13-09-2017 11:21am

witchgirl26 wrote: »

Really? They didn't seem like they were going anywhere when we were there. It was down the road by the pylons and in round the back.

They have not all moved. Traveller sites are always "temporary". It's county council tactics, people are more accepting once they hear its only temporary.

hello92 · 13-09-2017 11:25am

eternal31 wrote: »

what's the name of the road, ballyogan road?

Yep it's Ballyogan Road - In my opinion I would say if you bought in Clay Farm you'll be living in Ballyogan!

ionapaul · 13-09-2017 11:52am

Yeah, but Ballyogan Road - 2.5k long - doesn't exactly equate to Ballyogan Council Estate, does it? Otherwise this house (https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/6-meadowfield-sandyford-dublin-18/3824433) and the one that recently went for €800k+ in Kilgobbin Wood are, unbeknownst to their new owners, in a rougher part of Dublin than they might have expected

eternal31 · 13-09-2017 11:58am

ionapaul wrote: »

Yeah, but Ballyogan Road - 2.5k long - doesn't exactly equate to Ballyogan Council Estate, does it? Otherwise this house (https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/6-meadowfield-sandyford-dublin-18/3824433) and the one that recently went for €800k+ in Kilgobbin Wood are, unbeknownst to their new owners, in a rougher part of Dublin than they might have expected

That's a detached house.

hello92 · 13-09-2017 11:58am

No sure Ballyogan wouldn't all be council houses - the houses on the side Clay Farm is on would (for the most part) be non-council houses.

My point would be that the houses just sold in Clay Farm would be 100% Ballyogan as you're literally in the heart of the area with the council estate right opposite you!

witchgirl26 · 13-09-2017 12:15pm

This is the road we drove down & were escorted back out of https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2570868,-6.1940356,3a,75y,199.96h,85.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNADIHa50IWR3FFqaSUAZZg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Per Google Maps it's a 4 min walk to where the entrance to Clay Farm is.

Look I've no issue with council estates or social housing in an area but I do have an issue paying a huge amount of money for a house that is in the middle of all that. I just think the prices should reflect the area and I don't think Clay Farm do. €470k for a 3 bed just seems way over the odds.

Cuddlesworth · 13-09-2017 1:14pm

witchgirl26 wrote: »

This is the road we drove down & were escorted back out of https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2570868,-6.1940356,3a,75y,199.96h,85.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNADIHa50IWR3FFqaSUAZZg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Per Google Maps it's a 4 min walk to where the entrance to Clay Farm is.

Look I've no issue with council estates or social housing in an area but I do have an issue paying a huge amount of money for a house that is in the middle of all that. I just think the prices should reflect the area and I don't think Clay Farm do. €470k for a 3 bed just seems way over the odds.

That looks like a service road for the shopping/recycling centre.

To be honest I was considering the estate. But 5 minutes outside the shops across the road at 9pm on a Fri/Sat would put you in mind of the effect that Bally* has on a location.

witchgirl26 · 13-09-2017 1:52pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

That looks like a service road for the shopping/recycling centre.

To be honest I was considering the estate. But 5 minutes outside the shops across the road at 9pm on a Fri/Sat would put you in mind of the effect that Bally* has on a location.

Yep it is - which is why we didn't think anything of driving down it to turn the car around.

We were considering the estate at the time too but didn't know the area at all so decided to do what we did when looking at rentals & drive around it a bit in the evening after work. It didn't seem too bad on the whole but just a few small bits made us think it wasn't worth the price they were putting on them. Plus I like to be able to see the layout and look of what I'm putting all my savings into prior to handing them over.

heebusjeebus · 13-09-2017 2:04pm

A nice advertisment for them in todays IT:

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/new-to-market/new-homes-from-470-000-at-d18-s-biggest-scheme-since-the-gallops-1.3218416

Also situated alongside the M50, Clay Farm is just a two-minute dash from the Green line Luas stop at Leopardstown Wood – and then a 35-minute ride to St Stephen’s Green. This connectivity is impressive.

There is a greenway mentioned in the piece. Does anyone have solid information on this?

A greenway is also proposed, to be constructed by Dún Laoghaire Rathdown Council. It would start at the entrance of the estate, and run up along Stepaside Golf Course eventually coming out at the old Enniskerry Road, however timeframe details for this are unclear.

eternal31 · 13-09-2017 2:04pm

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

That looks like a service road for the shopping/recycling centre.

To be honest I was considering the estate. But 5 minutes outside the shops across the road at 9pm on a Fri/Sat would put you in mind of the effect that Bally* has on a location.

I'm not familiar with this area. what did you see at 9pm on a Fri/Sat? a bunch of young lads making noises?
The house price reflects that clayfarm is not at a posh area like Blackrock, Dundrum, Foxrock.

witchgirl26 · 13-09-2017 2:27pm

eternal31 wrote: »

I'm not familiar with this area. what did you see at 9pm on a Fri/Sat? a bunch of young lads making noises?
The house price reflects that clayfarm is not at a posh area like Blackrock, Dundrum, Foxrock.

I would expect a lot posher area for €470k for a 3 bed. Ones up in Knocklyn in Abbots Grove and across the way in Dodderbrook were going for a lot less for a bigger sq footage 3 bed in a nicer setting. Little bit less connectivity with transport but good bus link.

ionapaul · 13-09-2017 2:43pm

The prices in the Glencairn estate across and up the road a bit are on a par or higher than many south Dublin areas; higher than Ballinteer (not posh I know), probably on a par with Dundrum.

The Luas premium would mean that similar sized, specced houses in Clay Farm would always be more expensive than somewhere like Dodderbrook or Abbots Grove, right? A person could get from their front door in Clay Farm to St. Stephen's Green in about 30 minutes in relative comfort on the Luas green line, compared to a more convoluted bus journey from Knocklyon or Ballycullen; there's not much of a comparison.

Agreed I wouldn't be a fan of that Spar across the road from Clay Farm, nor have I ever stepped inside The Gallops pub or are likely to, something about the wire/security camera combo outside it is extremely off-putting! Anyone ever been in?

witchgirl26 · 13-09-2017 3:21pm

ionapaul wrote: »

The Luas premium would mean that similar sized, specced houses in Clay Farm would always be more expensive than somewhere like Dodderbrook or Abbots Grove, right? A person could get from their front door in Clay Farm to St. Stephen's Green in about 30 minutes in relative comfort on the Luas green line, compared to a more convoluted bus journey from Knocklyon or Ballycullen; there's not much of a comparison.

Agree that it's not as straightforward but the 15 goes from right beside Abbots Grove and goes the whole way across the city to Clare Hall. And you're right on the terminus so pretty much guaranteed a seat in the morning. Dodderbrook is a bit of a walk but it's not too bad at all. While I'd expect some increase, I wouldn't expect it to be as much as it is.

Nika Bolokov · 13-09-2017 7:11pm

Galwayforliam wrote: »

Waiting for call back from ESB but they said no evidence of radiation but environmentalists will always say there is...

You rang the ESB to ask is the substation in Leopardatown giving off dangerous radiation ?

I'd say there was some craic had in that office today.

Sciencegal101 · 13-09-2017 9:38pm

I managed to drive in to the development last Friday evening without getting stopped- we did eventually get thrown out but had a good bit of time to get a sense of the place. We were able to have a good walk around the 3 bedroom properties and had a look in the show houses (lovely finish). Gardens are small but a nice size. My major issue with the development is the roads are extremely narrow and the parking in general is very limited. The 'front garden' of the 3 bed is a parallel parking spot against your front door. I am not sure what you do in the event of owning 2 cars or if you ever have visitors over!!! There is 4 extra spaces at the end of the road (Larkfield Glade) but I have a feeling it could end up being a battle every evening. The four beds at the front have a bit more space but we were spotted before we could have a proper look.

Galwayforliam · 13-09-2017 10:26pm

Nika Bolokov wrote: »

You rang the ESB to ask is the substation in Leopardatown giving off dangerous radiation ?

I'd say there was some craic had in that office today.

Yeah I got sent a 24 page information booklet! Basically they say nothing has been proven to be or risk to your health but environmentalists would say otherwise!

Hopefully they dont prove anything until we sell a long time down the road!

okidoki987 · 14-09-2017 12:04am

Live near the area for a number of years so know it very well.

Make no mistake there are good parts and bad parts to Ballyogan Road.
There are corporation houses across from this development & further up the road towards Carrickmines, at the Ballyogan Wood Luas stop and then there are million euro houses past the Gallops tram stop at the other end.
So some good and bad parts.

Leopardstown Valley Luas stop has a chemist, doctor, dentist, Spar & take away with Gallops pub and an off licence beside it.
Friend goes to the pub once a week, not a lot of people drink there but it's fine.
Would expect the numbers to increase when people move into Clay Farm.
Shopping Centre around the corner has a Dunnes, Butchers, Chemist, Dundrum barbers, hair salon & Costa coffee shop.
Irish school on the road, sports area with swimming pool on way.
Carrickmines is a short drive away with all the retail shops there.
There will be an extension built with more shops in the future.
An Argos and Lidl/Aldi would be useful.

The main selling point of this development by the estate agent will be the Luas.
As mentioned before, you can get to to Dundrum SC & town very quickly which to some people will be crucial.
Having seen the prices, :eek:, they don't look cheap for the area and especially as there will be so many houses being built there.
Parking will be at a premium by the looks of it and as already mentioned if every apartment/house has 2 cars, this may be a problem in the future.
Builders are good and have built a good few houses/apartments in the area over the years and have a good reputation.
I would imagine by what is happening in the housing market these days,
they will sell well but I wouldn't consider them great value at the prices but then what are the alternatives?
Will be interested to see how the opening day goes, that will give an idea of what will happen to prices going forward.

You pays your money.......

JoeyJJ · 14-09-2017 9:27am

I live in the Gallops close to Holy Trinity, which is a great school. The only anti social behavior I have seen in the last 6 years was a fire the playground on Halloween, occasional young bucks hanging around Spar area however this was improved and local Gaurds have helped. You swear its a very bad area around there, granted Clay farm is closer to the social housing and will gravitate some of the curious people over there for a period. Burglaries have been an issue however that is anywhere in south dublin close to m50.

I don't go out too often so the local has never been visited as If I go out I take luas into town or dundrum or walk to Stepaside.

The reason I wouldn't buy in Clay is I wouldn't be a fan of the look of what I can see from Ballyogan road anyway. The houses wouldn't be my taste however I haven't looked too hard.

qrx · 14-09-2017 12:08pm

The 'front garden' of the 3 bed is a parallel parking spot against your front door. I am not sure what you do in the event of owning 2 cars or if you ever have visitors over!!

I brought up the subject of parking when I was looking into these. I was told you don't need a car because you have the luas. All well and good until you want to go somewhere not on the luas line! Make no mistake about it this estate will have cars parked all over the footpaths and every nook and cranny people can find.

tea_and_cake · 14-09-2017 12:22pm

qrx wrote: »

I brought up the subject of parking when I was looking into these. I was told you don't need a car because you have the luas. All well and good until you want to go somewhere not on the luas line! Make no mistake about it this estate will have cars parked all over the footpaths and every nook and cranny people can find.

Was that a response from the estate agent? The more I hear about this estate the happier I am I didn't try buy there. I live near and am not a fan of the area or the look of the houses.

Nika Bolokov · 14-09-2017 12:32pm

Galwayforliam wrote: »

Yeah I got sent a 24 page information booklet! Basically they say nothing has been proven to be or risk to your health but environmentalists would say otherwise!

Hopefully they dont prove anything until we sell a long time down the road!

Jesus a 24 page booklet. That's mad haha

thebsharp · 14-09-2017 12:51pm

qrx wrote: »

I brought up the subject of parking when I was looking into these. I was told you don't need a car because you have the luas. All well and good until you want to go somewhere not on the luas line! Make no mistake about it this estate will have cars parked all over the footpaths and every nook and cranny people can find.

This will be the case for a lot of new estates. It's a design requirement for most Councils to use DMURS, part of which is about narrowing road widths as much as possible to reduce speeds.

Galwayforliam · 14-09-2017 1:53pm

That was a mental experience - like a 30min window to view houses and then into sales office to choose or move over for next in queue!

We paid deposit but are in such a daze we have to go back at weekend for a proper look!! Both working so an extended lunch hour job

Cuddlesworth · 14-09-2017 2:00pm

Galwayforliam wrote: »

That was a mental experience - like a 30min window to view houses and then into sales office to choose or move over for next in queue!

The worst decisions are made under pressure sells, you should have walked out.

Galwayforliam · 14-09-2017 2:02pm

Not too worried - at least we have house now if we want it ready to move in by November!

Easy walk away if we change our minds and we will look at Glenside also and anywhere else to keep options open but they are nice inside and nice people buying homes so we could be happy with decision!

markpb · 14-09-2017 3:27pm

qrx wrote: »

I brought up the subject of parking when I was looking into these. I was told you don't need a car because you have the luas. All well and good until you want to go somewhere not on the luas line! Make no mistake about it this estate will have cars parked all over the footpaths and every nook and cranny people can find.

Will there be a management company to look after the estate? Between the idiots parking all over the place and blocking emergency services access and people using the estate as a P&R for the Luas, I'd imagine any OMC will almost definitely hire a parking enforcement company.

Galwayforliam · 14-09-2017 3:36pm

I think they said the council manage the estate?!

qrx · 14-09-2017 5:19pm

Galwayforliam wrote: »

I think they said the council manage the estate?!

Interesting, that would make them public roads so. Thanks for the free park and ride

Galwayforliam · 14-09-2017 6:21pm

qrx wrote: »

Galwayforliam wrote: »

I think they said the council manage the estate?!

Interesting, that would make them public roads so. Thanks for the free park and ride

I must have misheard in all the madness!

qrx · 14-09-2017 6:49pm

Galwayforliam wrote: »

I must have misheard in all the madness!

It actually makes sense because I know the council will be doing the eco park (whatever that is).

Galwayforliam · 14-09-2017 7:26pm

Just home and will go through brochure now!

selous · 14-09-2017 8:59pm

Just reading a link from one previous poster in the newspaper.

Also situated alongside the M50, Clay Farm is just a two-minute dash from the Green line Luas stop at Leopardstown Wood – and then a 35-minute ride to St Stephen’s Green. This connectivity is impressive

I don't remember ever seeing that luas stop on my travels,

The Ballyogan Road is in two districts South is Carrickmines North where Clay Farm is, is Sandyford, where did they get Leopardstown??(Builders privilege?)

Maybe im just a grump, I was born and reared on the road, when there was only green fields each side of the road, and take the shortcut through them from Club92, no M50 or luas to get across.:D

AndrewJRenko · 14-09-2017 9:03pm

Galwayforliam wrote: »

I think they said the council manage the estate?!

It would be rare to have the Council managing it at this stage. It may well be the plan that it will be 'taken-in-charge' by the Council, but that will depend on the Council being satisfied that it comes up to scratch.

Have a good chat with your solicitor to make sure you understand these plans and what conditions are required for it to be taken in charge.

qrx wrote: »

Interesting, that would make them public roads so. Thanks for the free park and ride

Lots of Council managed estates would have pay-and-display parking if park-and-ride becomes a problem. You'd need a majority of residents to support this.

Cuddlesworth · 14-09-2017 9:20pm

selous wrote: »

Just reading a link from one previous poster in the newspaper.

Also situated alongside the M50, Clay Farm is just a two-minute dash from the Green line Luas stop at Leopardstown Wood – and then a 35-minute ride to St Stephen’s Green. This connectivity is impressive

I don't remember ever seeing that luas stop on my travels,

The Ballyogan Road is in two districts South is Carrickmines North where Clay Farm is, is Sandyford, where did they get Leopardstown??(Builders privilege?)

Maybe im just a grump, I was born and reared on the road, when there was only green fields each side of the road, and take the shortcut through them from Club92, no M50 or luas to get across.:D

Pretty much every stop on the Luas line is off in terms of its naming.

The entrance to Clay Farm is here, Luas and shops are behind to the Left

Lickin2me · 14-09-2017 10:40pm

Seen area dont see a problem. Ever been to darndale? Ballymun? Jesus such fear u people have. How did u manage to survive in life. Ballyogan is paradise to compare to a lot of council estates in ireland. Grow a pair!

okidoki987 · 14-09-2017 11:59pm

Make no mistake about it this estate will have cars parked all over the footpaths and every nook and cranny people can find.

It won't be the residents, just the people parking the car there and getting the Luas into work!
Wouldn't be long before the residents kick up and get parking restrictions in place.

where did they get Leopardstown??(Builders privilege?)

It's always the same for new builds.
Leopardstown Heights, an estate down the road from it is in Sandyford just sounds better when you are selling it queue .
Over the years have had loads of post changed by An Post to Sandyford instead of Leopardstown.

JoeyJJ · 15-09-2017 11:48am

We have some of that in the gallops people leaving cars, however cheap enough carpark on Murphystown road has helped that.

witchgirl26 · 15-09-2017 2:52pm

Lickin2me wrote: »

Seen area dont see a problem. Ever been to darndale? Ballymun? Jesus such fear u people have. How did u manage to survive in life. Ballyogan is paradise to compare to a lot of council estates in ireland. Grow a pair!

It's not a fear but I've worked hard for my money and wouldn't want to fork over a huge amount for a house in an area I'm not comfortable in. I grew up down the road from Darndale and went to school in Ballymun. Never bothered me but I also wouldn't pay €470k for a 3 bed in either of them!

mariaalice · 15-09-2017 3:50pm

Is there really no parking with the house not even for one car?

mariaalice · 15-09-2017 3:52pm

witchgirl26 wrote: »

It's not a fear but I've worked hard for my money and wouldn't want to fork over a huge amount for a house in an area I'm not comfortable in. I grew up down the road from Darndale and went to school in Ballymun. Never bothered me but I also wouldn't pay €470k for a 3 bed in either of them!

well you would be paying 495k for one around the corner form Ballymun.

http://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/glasnevin/75-willow-park-avenue-glasnevin-dublin-1528587/

selous · 15-09-2017 5:52pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

It won't be the residents, just the people parking the car there and getting the Luas into work!
Wouldn't be long before the residents kick up and get parking restrictions in place.

It's always the same for new builds.
Leopardstown Heights, an estate down the road from it is in Sandyford just sounds better when you are selling it queue .
Over the years have had loads of post changed by An Post to Sandyford instead of Leopardstown.

Where The Gallops/Glencairn and Leopardstown Valley/Glenbourne is Used to Be a big green area called McGraths gallops, where horse racing was held that was always Sandyford, but the builder gets in and it's Foxrock/leopardstown/Carrickmines anything but Sandyford.

You say An Post changes your address, yet the Delivery place down the road uses "Foxrock DSU, Ballyogan Road, FOXROCK", yet is in Carrickmines, Who stickers their post??:D
(It moved from the Brighton Road 20 odd years ago)

gstones · 15-09-2017 7:55pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there really no parking with the house not even for one car?

Two cars per gaf according to the brochure

MayoSalmon · 15-09-2017 8:43pm

mariaalice wrote:

well you would be paying 495k for one around the corner form Ballymun.

That's a shocking price in fairness..395 would even be pushing it.

okidoki987 · 15-09-2017 9:27pm

Who will we see tomorrow at 2pm then?

buyer2017 · 16-09-2017 5:05pm

What have you people made of this estate? Place was packed with cars. Layout of all houses seems to be very good, all rooms are a good size even in the 3 beds. I was told that all of the 3 bed houses are sold. Seems to be nicely landscaped and finished. It'll be a nice estate. Only thing annoying is no off street parking, or side access to houses as they are all a terrace style.

Grazing17 · 16-09-2017 8:39pm

buyer2017 wrote: »

What have you people made of this estate? Place was packed with cars. Layout of all houses seems to be very good, all rooms are a good size even in the 3 beds. I was told that all of the 3 bed houses are sold. Seems to be nicely landscaped and finished. It'll be a nice estate. Only thing annoying is no off street parking, or side access to houses as they are all a terrace style.

Houses were nice. I prefer living rooms that are at the back with doors onto back garden. More relaxing than people walking past your living room window. It did feel quite spacious. Although the downstairs seemed dark today - maybe just the cloudy day. The hall particularly..

I didn't think it was well landscaped. It is like a modern coronation street. Little in the way of greenery on the 3 bed terrace street. Not even the token flower bed in front of the window.

Scholarstown Wood seems a lot greener. Problem is there is no show house for the willow in Scholarstown so it's hard to compare the Fern with the Willow.........

Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18

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