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  • #52
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Have a thanks.

    And you. From a real engineer. ;)


  • #53
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    RubyGlee wrote: »
    A well known bank recently had positions available for customer champions. gave me giggle

    The right person can do a lot with a role like that. I assume the loincloth and broadsword are provided? By the power of Greyskuuulll... :)


  • #54
    Saralee4
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Saralee4


    whats the story with 'engineering' too?


  • #55
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jimgoose wrote: »
    The right person can do a lot with a role like that.

    Only if they get their ducks in a row :pac:


  • #56
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Saralee4 wrote: »
    whats the story with 'engineering' too?

    Don't start... So many design based jobs now have 'engineer' added to the job title.


  • #57
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    smash wrote: »
    Don't start... So many design based jobs now have 'engineer' added to the job title.

    Don't panic, you just need a Key Driver. Presumably written in C... :)


  • #58
    parc
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭parc


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The world "Analyst" has to be the biggest bullsh!t word to make some one pretend they are more important than they are in their work description whilst at the same time being evasive and economical with their actual role. On social media sites every 3rd person is an "analyst" - and that's it!

    Up there with a nail technician imo.

    It's so common. Needs to be stigmatised to be rid.

    :rolleyes:

    An analyst analyses data to get information. Pretty clear job description but you seem to be having difficulty with it


  • #59
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    parc wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    An analyst analyses data to get information. Pretty clear job description but you seem to be having difficulty with it

    Hah! That's not what happened when I had that gig testing suppositories in 1993.


  • #60
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    stimpson wrote: »

    I've never been a Project Manager - they are the ones who are meant to ensure things happen, but are generally lazy or incompetent, but consider themselves important because they have the word Manager in their title. They are more deserving of you're ire than us poor Analyists.

    change managers. they're what get me.
    they (usually) neither understand what they're changing the organization from, or what they're changing the organization to.
    Analysts are usually poor much put upon, lowly spreadsheet drivers.
    well I am anyway!


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  • #61
    denismc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭denismc


    A term that is become more common where I work is "champion" as in " Right first time champion"
    It conjures up images of Usain Bolt or Mike Tyson when the reality is anything but.


  • #62
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Anyone who has a FB or Twitter account these days thinks they can be a digital marketing or SEO expert.


  • #63
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    change managers...

    Translation: Ye Olde Red-Hotte Poker be a-comin'... :)


  • #64
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Vice President is important yet it's not

    When I left college and got my first office drone job I was on a floor with 400 other people and another 400 upstairs. The Vice President came in for a talk for my induction and I thought jaysus, this guy is the second in command, he's realy high up. One heartbeat away from the President as they say

    I later found out there were over 30 vice presidents in the place, not impressed


  • #65
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Vice President is important yet it's not

    Junior Vice President


  • #66
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,180 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    smash wrote: »
    Junior Vice President

    In certain companies General Manager far outranks VP. VP is a position for the CEO's simple relatives.


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  • #67
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    PandaPoo wrote: »
    What else can you call a nail technician?

    onychologist technician/engineer
    or
    Lead polyacrylamide plate surface coating consultant
    or
    Senior Executive Lacquer Application Specialist


  • #68
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    They can call me whatever they want. with most of my tasks i'm a bean counter. Although ive moved into another position recently. I'll still be bean counting. But theres other stuff i'll need to do too. Probably sowing the beans or something.


  • #69
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Hey! That's the exact title of my job. People don't explain it to you because they presume you wouldn't understand.


  • #70
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'd say 20 years a go before high speed broadband and social media people were more honest and direct about their role. Now it's all cloaked in language suggesting a position above their station which they have to broadcast to anyone who sees them.

    Aww the world changed and Kermit doesn't understand how things work any more. That's pretty sad when you expose your ignorance for all to see like that.


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Were Nail Technicians not manicurists in ye olden days?


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  • #72
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Aww the world changed and Kermit doesn't understand how things work any more. That's pretty sad when you expose your ignorance for all to see like that.

    Who are you to assume what I know and don't know and write a nasty, spiteful post like that? You don't know me so don't be telling me what I know about anything.

    You must be an analyst.


  • #73
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Can't believe this thread is so long and no one has mentioned the latest IT fad for " evangelists"


    One former colleague of mine has his title as cloud computing evangelist on his LinkedIn

    I however am a consultant, I basically waffle all day long


  • #74
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Who are you to assume what I know and don't know and write a nasty, spiteful post like that? You don't know me so don't be telling me what I know about anything.

    You must be an analyst.

    Kermit, I am... an analyst.

    I'd like to explain it to you but you wouldn't understand. It involves working with technology invented in the 20 years so you wouldn't be able to keep up.


  • #75
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Who are you to assume what I know and don't know and write a nasty, spiteful post like that? You don't know me so don't be telling me what I know about anything.

    You must be an analyst.

    You forgot the c in cyst...


  • #76
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Special Circumstances wrote: »
    You forgot the c in cyst...

    He means anal-cyst. Kermit.

    No point being whole sublte SC. Point of the thread is that Kermit needs the details spelled out for him if he's to have any chance of understanding


  • #77
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Stheno wrote: »
    Can't believe this thread is so long and no one has mentioned the latest IT fad for " evangelists"


    One former colleague of mine has his title as cloud computing evangelist on his LinkedIn

    I however am a consultant, I basically waffle all day long

    I forgot I'm an SME also


  • #78
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    He means anal-cyst. Kermit.

    No point being whole sublte SC. Point of the thread is that Kermit needs the details spelled out for him if he's to have any chance of understanding


    Dangling bait and think i'm going to bite?

    Easier for me just to report your post for trolling tbh.


  • #79
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    He means anal-cyst. Kermit.

    No point being whole sublte SC. Point of the thread is that Kermit needs the details spelled out for him if he's to have any chance of understanding

    I'm sensing a lot of frustration here man. Have you considered a career change?


  • #80
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Stheno wrote: »
    I forgot I'm an SME also

    You're a small and medium enterprise? Some man for one man.


  • #81
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Special Circumstances wrote: »
    I'm sensing a lot of frustration here man. Have you considered a career change?

    Don't feed...









    ...the analyst


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  • #82
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Dangling bait and think i'm going to bite?

    Easier for me just to report your post for trolling tbh.

    You started a thread about taking the mick out of a job title YOU can't understand because it didn't exist 20 years ago and you call my response nasty and spiteful? Lolz all day long at that.

    Have you had a job in the intervening 20 years?A lot has happened you know. A lot of information has been analysed and the irony is that you can enjoy the fruit of analysts labour even if you can't understand what they do.


  • #83
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Special Circumstances wrote: »
    I'm sensing a lot of frustration here man. Have you considered a career change?

    Nope. I enjoy me job as an analyst. People who talk as nauseum about their job are fairly boring to listen to. Pity more people didn't keep it to general job description unless asked for more information.


  • #84
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    SuperGrover wrote: »
    My job title includes the word 'Analyst'.

    I didn't create it, the company did. I would imagine it's the same for most people.
    Yeah I don't see all these zillions of "analysts" at all. :confused:
    And sometimes it is the correct term for the job in that it involves analysis?


  • #85
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Yeah I don't see all these zillions of "analysts" at all. :confused:
    And sometimes it is the correct term for the job in that it involves analysis?

    You can be accused of trolling for that kind of talk.


  • #86
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    You started a thread about taking the mick out of a job title YOU can't understand because it didn't exist 20 years ago and you call my response nasty and spiteful? Lolz all day long at that.

    Have you had a job in the intervening 20 years. A lot has happened you know. A lot of information has been analysed and the irony is that you can enjoy the fruit of analysts labour even if you can't understand what they do.




    1. What age do you think I am? I'm probably younger than you so don't be patronising me about technology upon which my career path is based incidentally.

    2. This thread, unbeknownst to you, is not intended to be a serious discussion on analysts but a broader discussion on job titles and specifications in particular the increasing abuse, for want of a better word, of terms like "analyst" and "engineer" etc


  • #87
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Nope. I enjoy me job as an analyst.

    What do you do in your place of work? (generally) Describe your job.


    People say "I'm an analyst". Love it. But what do you do?


    The problem with the term analyst, and it applies to other terms too, is that it's too generic and wide. Is someone working on a shopping till an analyst? Technically you could make arguments.


  • #88
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Stheno wrote: »
    I forgot I'm an SME also

    Everyone's a subject matter expert at something. Your title holds no weight!


  • #89
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    What do you do in your place of work? (generally) Describe your job.


    People say "I'm an analyst". Love it. But what do you do?

    Ah I get it. You don't understand that most people don't care to be bored with the details of other people's jobs so we have a convention of broadly describing the area of work. If people want more information, they ask. If I want to explain it to them, I do...


  • #90
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Ah I get it. You don't understand that most people don't care to be bored with the details of other people's jobs so we have a convention of broadly describing the area of work. If people want more information, they ask. If I want to explain it to them, I do...

    Most jobs will require a level of analysis of facts or figures. If anyone ever told me they were an analysist I'd ask them to elaborate.


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  • #91
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm an "analyst". I don't describe myself as such but I could easily. In fact most office desk based jobs could be analysts.


  • #92
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    smash wrote: »
    Most jobs will require a level of analysis of facts or figures. If anyone ever told me they were an analysist I'd ask them to elaborate.


    That's reasonable. In the appropriate setting, if I thought you might enjoy hearing the details of the information I analyse and the purpose of the work I do, then I'd certainly oblige.


  • #93
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I just don't get using a term that is getting more generic and it's meaning covering almost everything with every passing day, so much so that there is more than a hint of stigma becoming attached to it. I don't think that's a bad thing because I find those labels a bit evasive.


  • #94
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'm an "analyst". I don't describe myself as such but I could easily. In fact most office desk based jobs could be analysts.

    Oh your an "analyst"? See I'm just an analyst. You can make yourself a cheese and tomato sandwich and call you're a "chef". I probably wouldn't agree with you though.


  • #95
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I just don't get using a term that is getting more generic and it's meaning covering almost everything with every passing day, so much so that there is more than a hint of stigma becoming attached to it. I don't think that's a bad thing because I find those labels a bit evasive.

    Kermit, sweetheart, people don't want to talk to you about their job. You must be great craic to chat with.


  • #96
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Oh your an "analyst"?

    I said I was not an analyst but I could say i'm an analyst very easily. Plenty of people are doing that and I don't think it does any favours.

    Just describe your job. There is NO point in saying, for example, "Analyst at AIB", "Analyst at Tesco".....it tells prospective employers and others absolutely nothing. It's evasive, lazy, intended to give an illusion of responsibility beyond what the reality is.


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  • #97
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I said I was not an analyst but I could say i'm an analyst very easily. Plenty of people are doing that and I don't think it does any favours.

    Just describe your job. There is NO point in saying, for example, "Analyst at AIB", "Analyst at Tesco".....it tells prospective employers and others absolutely nothing. It's evasive, lazy, intended to give an illusion of responsibility beyond what the reality is.

    Are you interviewing me or something?


  • #98
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Someone go over to the Ladies Lounge or, alternatively, the beauty forum and tell them there is nothing technical about doing nails. We'll wait here.


  • #99
    Smurph90
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Smurph90


    the nail technician joke went on way too long in here


  • #100
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Someone go over to the Ladies Lounge or, alternatively, the beauty forum and tell them there is nothing technical about doing nails. We'll wait here.

    Eh I pay to get my nails done every two weeks minimum as I can't do them myself


  • #101
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Stheno wrote: »
    Eh I pay to get my nails done every two weeks minimum as I can't do them myself

    Kermit will do them for you. He could do all the jobs he doesn't understand


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