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Pope says god was behind Big Bang, world awaits proof.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    CDfm wrote: »
    And was he Catholic?
    No, Friedmann (Фридман) was a Russian physicist of jewish extraction who came up with the idea of an expanding universe five years before Lemaître did (something that seems to be forgotten regularly by people who hold catholic religious beliefs).
    CDfm wrote: »
    If Robinch hasn't said it -its not true
    That's the spirit :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    robindch wrote: »
    .That's the spirit :)

    He said SPIRIT :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Enkidu wrote: »
    It was actually Alexander Friedmann who came up with it, after finding out that it was a consequence of General Relativity. LaMaitre argued for it, but it didn't originate with him.
    robindch wrote: »
    No, Friedmann (Фридман) was a Russian physicist of jewish extraction who came up with the idea of an expanding universe five years before Lemaître did (something that seems to be forgotten regularly by people who hold catholic religious beliefs).That's the spirit smile.gif


    The Big Bang theory developed from observations of the structure of the
    Universe and from theoretical considerations. In 1912 Vesto Slipher
    measured the first Doppler shift of a "spiral nebula" (spiral nebula is the
    obsolete term for spiral galaxies), and soon discovered that almost all
    such nebulae were receding from Earth. He did not grasp the cosmological
    implications of this fact, and indeed at the time it was highly controversial
    whether or not these nebulae were "island universes" outside our Milky
    Way. Ten years later, Alexander Friedmann, a Russian cosmologist
    and mathematician, derived the Friedmann equations from Albert Einstein's
    equations of general relativity, showing that the Universe might be
    expanding in contrast to the static Universe model advocated by Einstein
    at that time. In 1924, Edwin Hubble's measurement of the great
    distance to the nearest spiral nebulae showed that these systems were
    indeed other galaxies. Independently deriving Friedmann's equations in
    1927, Georges Lemaître, a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest,
    proposed that the inferred recession of the nebulae was due to the
    expansion of the Universe.

    In 1931 Lemaître went further and suggested that the evident expansion in
    forward time required that the Universe contracted backwards in time, and
    would continue to do so until it could contract no further, bringing all the
    mass of the Universe into a single point, a "primeval atom" where and
    when the fabric of time and space comes into existence.

    Starting in 1924, Hubble painstakingly developed a series of distance
    indicators, the forerunner of the cosmic distance ladder, using the
    100-inch (2,500 mm) Hooker telescope at Mount Wilson Observatory.
    This allowed him to estimate distances to galaxies whose redshifts had
    already been measured, mostly by Slipher. In 1929, Hubble discovered a
    correlation between distance and recession velocity—now known as
    Hubble's law. Lemaître had already shown that this was expected,
    given the Cosmological Principle.
    link


    I never understood why it mattered that LaMaitre was religious, the fact
    that he didn't fudge his work or imply some religious connection when there
    was none is just what any honest person would do & apparently that's
    what LaMaitre did, it's irrelevant to know he was a priest. The fact that
    he put forward the big bang idea based off equations that implied it
    means what exactly?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    The fact that he put forward the big bang idea based off equations that implied it means what exactly?
    It means a lot to religious people who wish to portray their religion as being pro-science or pro-reason.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Lemaitre was applying his knowledge of science and maths to speculate on what probably happened back to the time of the Big Bang.
    He may have applied religious thinking to what preceded that, or he may not, maybe he was a closet atheist simply availing of a good secure position in a respected Belgian university. It makes no difference to the value of his scientific work.


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