Aston Villa Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2019/2020

artanevilla · 09-12-2019 2:31pm

Elmo's crossing is chronic.

Bounty Hunter · 09-12-2019 2:39pm

CSF wrote: »

The problem is, El Ghazi isn’t good enough either, and at least Elmohamady provides more for his fullback.

My opinion is that wide areas are a much bigger area for improvement than the striker area. El Ghazi is garbage and Trezeguet is still getting used to English football.

Well that I agree with. A quality wide player is needed and Elmo needs to be a cup player only for me. You lose possession as much as he did and you are just inviting pressure on to you. That's why I am calling for composure and someone like Nakamba when playing to be just told that his job is to sit deep shielding the back four.

Easy Rod · 09-12-2019 2:41pm

artanevilla wrote: »

Elmo's crossing is chronic.

He’s a way better crosser than el ghazi (not saying much really though).

CSF · 09-12-2019 2:42pm

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Well that I agree with. A quality wide player is needed and Elmo needs to be a cup player only for me. You lose possession as much as he did and you are just inviting pressure on to you. That's why I am calling for composure and someone like Nakamba when playing to be just told that his job is to sit deep shielding the back four.

That’s where you want to reach for sure. Still not convinced El Ghazi is good enough offensively or defensively.

Bounty Hunter · 09-12-2019 2:47pm

Such a pity that they didn't go that extra mile (tbh they splashed way more cash than most expected but still) when they clearly were interested in the type of players we needed at the end of the summer. So heavily linked to Maupay & Benrahma and although neither might be word beaters we would be in such a better situation if we were not relying on the likes of El Gahzi and if Wesley had decent competition / someone who could play with him up top

Esse85 · 09-12-2019 2:47pm

CSF wrote: »

That’s where you want to reach for sure. Still not convinced El Ghazi is good enough offensively or defensively.

Positionally El Ghazi gets into goal scoring chances at least.
He's regularly in the box looking to get on the end of something but if I was a RB, I wouldn't be confident he'll protect me and help me out when I need it.

CSF · 09-12-2019 2:50pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Positionally El Ghazi gets into goal scoring chances at least.
He's regularly in the box looking to get on the end of something but if I was a RB, I wouldn't be confident he'll protect me and help me out when I need it.

But he’s so low quality when attacking. At least with Elmohamady, he’s good defensively. He may be sh*te going forward but at least he’s good at the thing that people refer to as his strength. El Ghazi is woeful defensively and below average offensively.

Esse85 · 09-12-2019 2:53pm

The striker situation Smith let arise is as bad as the defensive situation Steve Bruce let happen at the start of last season.

22 year old Brazilian from the Belgian league.
30 year old Kodjia who's never played in the PL and never fully recovered from his injury. He couldn't even get a start in the championship and when he did he didn't try and his attitude /lack of work rate stank. Injury prone.
21 year old Keinan Davis, has 1 goal in about 40 championship games, injury prone.

Put all his eggs in option 1 and it's been a complete failure to date.

Esse85 · 09-12-2019 2:57pm

CSF wrote: »

But he’s so low quality when attacking. At least with Elmohamady, he’s good defensively. He may be sh*te going forward but at least he’s good at the thing that people refer to as his strength. El Ghazi is woeful defensively and below average offensively.

I won't debate this.
Neither is the answer.
I suppose it boils down to either playing more offensively or defensively as to who gets the nod, and we all know the managers style of play, hence why AEG gets the nod.

I'd be ok with having Elmo there when playing top teams, it just means Jack on the left will be absolutely swamped when we attack as teams will know Elmo won't cause damage offensively.

LeBash · 09-12-2019 3:43pm

Esse85 wrote: »

The striker situation Smith let arise is as bad as the defensive situation Steve Bruce let happen at the start of last season.

22 year old Brazilian from the Belgian league.
30 year old Kodjia who's never played in the PL and never fully recovered from his injury. He couldn't even get a start in the championship and when he did he didn't try and his attitude /lack of work rate stank. Injury prone.
21 year old Keinan Davis, has 1 goal in about 40 championship games, injury prone.

Put all his eggs in option 1 and it's been a complete failure to date.

That's a bit harsh on both. We know SB and DS were both in for more players but they didnt happen. Bruce had no money until the last weeks of the window and Smith had a full squad to rebuild and got someone for almost every position. We know he pulled out of the Maupay deal because he felt it was too much money.

Both could have filled the squad with merc journeyman but I think we have had our fill of that over the last 10 years.

Transfer policy will leave us in a better standing long term no matter what happens.

Weve got 1 point from 9 in 3 games where we probably wouldnt have expected anything and while we nobody likes to lose, we have 5 games where we would all hope to get points now.

Esse85 · 09-12-2019 4:09pm

LeBash wrote: »

That's a bit harsh on both. We know SB and DS were both in for more players but they didnt happen. Bruce had no money until the last weeks of the window and Smith had a full squad to rebuild and got someone for almost every position. We know he pulled out of the Maupay deal because he felt it was too much money.

Both could have filled the squad with merc journeyman but I think we have had our fill of that over the last 10 years.

Transfer policy will leave us in a better standing long term no matter what happens.

Weve got 1 point from 9 in 3 games where we probably wouldnt have expected anything and while we nobody likes to lose, we have 5 games where we would all hope to get points now.

Good intentions and wishful thinking get you no where in sport or in life, executing the plan is what leads to results. The buck stops with the manager end of.

pavb2 · 09-12-2019 7:09pm

artanevilla wrote: »

Elmo's crossing is chronic.

Easy Rod wrote: »

He’s a way better crosser than el ghazi (not saying much really though).

And taking that a step further assuming we can improve our corners and crosses we need someone who can get on the end of those crosses.

CSF · 09-12-2019 8:05pm

I think Smith obviously felt more about Wesley than has panned out so far. Kodjia should have been good enough to be a backup striker in the Premier League but he doesn’t have the motivation by the looks of it. His effort marking in a rare opportunity against Liverpool was pathetic and costly.

Panrich · 09-12-2019 8:06pm

Considering our last 7 games have been against the top 6 and Newcastle who aside from our game have been flying, we've really got the sorts of results that you'd expect. Our season will be defined by our run over the next 10 games where we need to start getting big wins and points on the board.

I'm hopeful where I was confident a month ago.

Patser · 09-12-2019 8:46pm

Hopefully money is there in January for a striker, even a merc on loan, who can add some goals. Even with Wesley's woes we're good a scoring, imagine how much better off we'd be in Wesley had had a few more goals in him

CSF · 09-12-2019 9:45pm

Panrich wrote: »

Considering our last 7 games have been against the top 6 and Newcastle who aside from our game have been flying, we've really got the sorts of results that you'd expect. Our season will be defined by our run over the next 10 games where we need to start getting big wins and points on the board.

I'm hopeful where I was confident a month ago.

We've played 16 games, the same as everyone else. We're only out of the relegation zone on goal difference. I don't think there is a good way to spin the season so far.

Arsenal, West Ham, Wolves, Leicester, Burnley, Palace. So many lows in terms of performance. Best performance Norwich and probably Newcastle comes in as quite a good one, other than that the wins against Brighton and Everton were in ropey performances that we'd easily could have lost on another day, so I don't think one could even fairly argue that we're unlucky to be where we are in terms of points, even if we conclude that some of the points we dropped could have gained a few more.

LeBash · 10-12-2019 5:12pm

Stats from the mail

Wesley 16 games 4 goals
Savo 16 games 5 goals
JPA 16 games 5 goals
Benteke 16 games 5 goals
Carew 16 games 3 goals.

I suppose the key difference was all of those guys bar Benteke played as a 2 up front.

artanevilla · 10-12-2019 5:15pm

As far as I can remember JPA's first season wasn't great and a lot were considering him as being a dud considering he was a record signing. Could be wrong.

CSF · 10-12-2019 5:38pm

LeBash wrote: »

Stats from the mail

Wesley 16 games 4 goals
Savo 16 games 5 goals
JPA 16 games 5 goals
Benteke 16 games 5 goals
Carew 16 games 3 goals.

I suppose the key difference was all of those guys bar Benteke played as a 2 up front.

That doesn’t come as a surprise. People’s reaction to him has been huge overkill.

LeBash · 10-12-2019 5:39pm

artanevilla wrote: »

As far as I can remember JPA's first season wasn't great and a lot were considering him as being a dud considering he was a record signing. Could be wrong.

He had 1 good season where he broke 20 under DOL. Hes remembered fondly but didnt have a great record.

tonytiger81 · 10-12-2019 5:41pm

LeBash wrote: »

Stats from the mail

Wesley 16 games 4 goals
Savo 16 games 5 goals
JPA 16 games 5 goals
Benteke 16 games 5 goals
Carew 16 games 3 goals.

I suppose the key difference was all of those guys bar Benteke played as a 2 up front.

Robbie Keane 6 games 3 goals (was never a fan of JPA)

LeBash · 11-12-2019 11:41am

Mings out until Jan by the looks of it.

matrim · 11-12-2019 3:40pm

LeBash wrote: »

Mings out until Jan by the looks of it.

So do we think smith will go with Konza & Engles. Or Hause & Engles.

CSF · 11-12-2019 3:43pm

matrim wrote: »

So do we think smith will go with Konza & Engles. Or Hause & Engles.

I’d suspect the first option. I know Hause is closer to what Mings is than the other 2 are, but he truly hasn’t got a lookin at Premier League football.

LeBash · 11-12-2019 3:50pm

matrim wrote: »

So do we think smith will go with Konza & Engles. Or Hause & Engles.

I think Hause, hes left footed and managers have an obsession with "keeping balance". I dont understand that myself, surely most pros can give a half decent pass or would be decent enough in the tackle with both feet.

CSF · 14-12-2019 1:18am

How are Sheff United odds on to beat Villa tomorrow

LeBash · 14-12-2019 9:39am

CSF wrote: »

How are Sheff United odds on to beat Villa tomorrow

If you put your car on it you'll be able to buy an air freshener

JPA · 14-12-2019 10:50am

CSF wrote: »

How are Sheff United odds on to beat Villa tomorrow

5/6

artanevilla · 14-12-2019 11:06am

JPA wrote: »

5/6

That's about right for me.

pavb2 · 14-12-2019 11:07am

Fine margins at this stage of the season we've won four Wolves in sixth have won five but they've lost two we've lost nine. Today is about stopping the rot so as long as we don't lose hopefully we can get some wins over the next few games.

Brian201888 · 14-12-2019 3:02pm

Hause and Lansbury in

matrim · 14-12-2019 3:16pm

https://i.redd.it/3pjf86v9wl441.jpg

Hourihane not on bench so must have picked up a knock

Panrich · 14-12-2019 3:45pm

Brian201888 wrote: »

Hause and Lansbury in

Big changes there. We’ve seen what Luiz and Hourihane bring so a big chance for Lansbury today.

basillarkin · 14-12-2019 4:17pm

Sheff utd are a dirty side

Bounty Hunter · 14-12-2019 4:24pm

Showing Sheff Utd too much respect so far. Letting them have too much of the ball and not looking to have much in terms of an attacking outlet so far.

That said almost 25m into the game away against a team who has started the season well and Sheff Utd haven't had any real shots on Heaton and Villa are starting to grow into the game a bit more now.

Corholio · 14-12-2019 4:45pm

Different performance from Villa so far but it looks like they are in the process of learning lessons from previous games. Disciplined and tight so far. Getting the balance between the two styles will be the key.

CSF · 14-12-2019 4:50pm

Yeah much more solid, but we don’t look an attacking threat at all. 0-0 wouldn’t be a huge shock.

Bounty Hunter · 14-12-2019 4:50pm

Given our respective positions in the league 0-0 away isn't terrible at half time tbh although that was not a great half to watch.

Sheff Utd are keeping Grealish (who also needs to try to stay on his feet more as this ref isn't going to give him 50/50s) very quiet and without him pulling the strings Villa don't have much of an attack so far with Wesley again looking a frustrated / isolated figure.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Trezeguet come on for Lansbury (if they don't do the like for like swap with Luiz) and then Grealish could go centrally.

Villa's defense however are looking well enough organized and I don't think Heaton has had to make a save all half.

sc86 · 14-12-2019 4:53pm

This on tv?

Corholio · 14-12-2019 4:55pm

Lansbury has been very solid, as has Hause. Wes continues to frustrate as in a tight match like this, someone with a bit more running off the ball would be a big help. Will probably need Trez off the bench with his energy covering back, wings a little exposed sometimes.

Bounty Hunter · 14-12-2019 4:56pm

sc86 wrote: »

This on tv?

PM Sent

Corholio · 14-12-2019 5:09pm

1-0 Sheff Utd. Will need to loosen up now.

Midfield needed to track Fleck better there.

Bounty Hunter · 14-12-2019 5:09pm

Feck Fleck. Need to up it now

Corholio · 14-12-2019 5:13pm

Conceding right after half time been a problem last few games.

Esse85 · 14-12-2019 5:15pm

Looking like relegation.

Lack of quality in the squad far too evident. When Jack is having an off day, no one else to step up.

JPA · 14-12-2019 5:16pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Looking like relegation.

Lack of quality in the squad far too evident. When Jack is having an off day, no one else to step up.

It's not a lack of quality, it's tactics/setup.
Just look at our opposition today.

Corholio · 14-12-2019 5:17pm

Wesley hits side netting, Jack heads just wide. Good response.

Bounty Hunter · 14-12-2019 5:18pm

Chances starting to come, keep the heads up lads

Esse85 · 14-12-2019 5:22pm

Esse85 · 14-12-2019 5:25pm

JPA wrote: »

It's not a lack of quality, it's tactics/setup.
Just look at our opposition today.

It's lack of quality.
How many of that villa team would get in Sheff Uniteds?

Engels, Heaton, Grealish, McGinn

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