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Royale with Cheese · 30-11-2019 12:14pm

David Warner is back in form after the ashes anyway.

Tom Mann Centuria · 30-11-2019 12:25pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

David Warner is back in form after the ashes anyway.

Against an awful Pakistan attack, but you can only play what's in front of you.

Mysterypunter · 30-11-2019 1:24pm

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Against an awful Pakistan attack, but you can only play what's in front of you.

Should have batted on, would have got 500. Pakistan are some crowd of stiffs

Mysterypunter · 01-12-2019 7:49am

England got to 269-5, Burns 101 and Root 114*. Pakistan have put up a great fight, 271-8. Babar Azam 97 and a scarcely believable 101* from Yasir Shah. Enjoyed watching that

Strumms · 01-12-2019 1:47pm

Crawley will be kicking himself for throwing away his wicket so late... just again lazily hanging the bat outside of his off stump waiting for the ball to nick it instead of playing an assured shot through the line of the ball.... almost reminiscent of his old man who despite crate loads of talent just couldn’t resist hanging the bat out there tempting fate....time and again,

Strumms · 02-12-2019 12:44am

English batsmen looked reasonably comfortable this morning, nothing in the way of trouble being caused by the New Zealand bowlers in terms of chances but they are bowling with good discipline and the English run rate is conservative but increasing.. with the forecast not looking great tomorrow I’d think throwing the bat a little harder now they’ve all but canceled the lead.

Mysterypunter · 02-12-2019 4:25am

England got a lead of 101, and a wicket second ball of he New Zealand second innings. Ravel out for 0. Haven't seen much of him, but he looks like a rabbit

Richard Hillman · 02-12-2019 2:55pm

England looked more concerned at not losing than trying to win. Pope and Root batted way too slowly and only upped the scoring rate when they got close to NZs total.

I know this isn't a test championship game but it has kind of raised the issue of accepting a draw, instead of playing loosely to gamble for the win. A 2-0 loss over a 1-0 means nothing in a traditional 2 match series. In the test championship, we may lose those type of games.

Strumms · 02-12-2019 6:38pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

England looked more concerned at not losing than trying to win. Pope and Root batted way too slowly and only upped the scoring rate when they got close to NZs total.

Thought Pope and Root were just a bit too slow in putting the foot on the gas... the English bat deep and they were both WELL in so i felt that was unnecessary...they could have lost one of them without putting the game in the balance...

Strumms · 02-12-2019 11:35pm

Fûck me, that’s the worst drop I’ve seen in International cricket, Archer full on celebrating, mega smile then drop... it’s that bad the commentators can’t commentate they are falling around the studio in hysterics.

02-12-2019 11:55pm

Strumms wrote: »

Fûck me, that’s the worst drop I’ve seen in International cricket, Archer full on celebrating, mega smile then drop... it’s that bad the commentators can’t commentate they are falling around the studio in hysterics.

Certainly made me laugh - for the rest of his life, Denley is going to be reminded of that one!

Strumms · 02-12-2019 11:59pm

171170 wrote: »

Certainly made me laugh - for the rest of his life, Denley is going to be reminded of that one!

Yep, lobbed to him, right in the bread basket he didn't even have to move... Williamson, some English players laughing it was that bad a drop.

Strumms · 03-12-2019 1:52am

England looking really ragged in the field... a couple of dropped catches, missfields, a missed run out opportunity that the captain Root didn’t even make any attempt to get into the stumps to collect and whip the bails off (he had time)

03-12-2019 9:43am

Strumms wrote: »

England looking really ragged in the field... a couple of dropped catches, missfields, a missed run out opportunity that the captain Root didn’t even make any attempt to get into the stumps to collect and whip the bails off (he had time)

Root is fortunate that there doesn't appear to be any realistic alternative candidate to captain the team.

Strumms · 03-12-2019 11:18am

Looking back I don’t think the pitch was all that conducive to getting a result. An absolute featherbed of a pitch, almost 1100 runs scored in just 3 innings...

Thought though Root fûcked up big time by taking and overseeing a far too conservative approach with the bat by his team... they had the wickets in hand but not a great deal of time and loosing the series, might as well loose 2-0 as 1-0 and not try..... seems like a REALLY very conservative old Englishman both in the decisions he makes on the field and listening to him in interviews...no risk = no reward Joe, you and your team got what you deserved.

dfx- · 05-12-2019 5:06pm

It seems everyone knew there was a monsoon coming on day five - Root mentioned it in post day 4 interview...so why did they build so slowly.

Lose 1-0 instead of 2-0? Prioritise establishing "the new approach" than going for it? Test Matches don't let you decide your new approach, each one is a different game.

Tom Mann Centuria · 05-12-2019 5:18pm

dfx- wrote: »

It seems everyone knew there was a monsoon coming on day five - Root mentioned it in post day 4 interview...so why did they build so slowly.

Lose 1-0 instead of 2-0? Prioritise establishing "the new approach" than going for it? Test Matches don't let you decide your new approach, each one is a different game.

I think he's a poor captain, completely lacks imagination. He could learn from Morgan in that regard.

05-12-2019 5:20pm

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

I think he's a poor captain, completely lacks imagination. He could learn from Morgan in that regard.

Been in the English system since he was a nipper - probably wholly incapable of thinking for himself!

Mysterypunter · 14-12-2019 9:34am

Australia well in command against New Zealand. 250 ahead on first innings, & 24-0 in the second. Dwayne Bravo has come back, wants to play the world T20, has there ever been a more self centered and overrated player than that bloke? 6 slower balls and a wide in every over, only gets wickets when the opposition are slogging, then hits a few hail mary shots, and gets out for about 10. Spends most of his time dancing around in the outfield.

Mysterypunter · 15-12-2019 7:54am

Mysterypunter wrote: »

England got a lead of 101, and a wicket second ball of he New Zealand second innings. Ravel out for 0. Haven't seen much of him, but he looks like a rabbit

That Ravel chap somehow got picked to tour Australia, and got 1 & 1. He has 1 test hundred, against Bangladesh. All the talk of how good New Zealand are, but I don't buy it. Good bowling attack though, disappointed that Lockie Ferguson was injured in this game, quick and a great attitude to bowling.

Strumms · 26-12-2019 3:42pm

Sam Curran, what a cricketer, bowling up a storm which is looking like possibly the main catalyst in the winning of this match . Dead eye accurate and consistent. No freebies. South Africa 7 down, Curran with 4 of them.

Strumms · 27-12-2019 12:01pm

After an excellent and positive start by the English this morning... Root just gives his wicket away more or less, a lazy prod at a ball that either should have been left or attacked with purpose, just no point in hanging the bat away from his body and letting the ball hit the bat, it was nowhere near the stumps AND shaping away so no reason to play at it defensively.

Adamcp898 · 27-12-2019 1:21pm

The collapse is on now

Strumms · 27-12-2019 1:26pm

Wickets tumbling now... ball doing a decent bit off the pitch now too.. batsmen after a confidant start are looking a lot more uncertain now.

Strumms · 27-12-2019 2:46pm

1 half century and only 3 other batsmen who scored more than 20 runs, abysmal from England. All out for 181 as I type. Denly ‘top scoring’ with 50, 5 batsmen in single figures... practically half the team.

Stuart Broads dismissal summed things up, at one stage virtually considered an all rounder playing a shot that even I’d be disgusted with.

Strumms · 28-12-2019 1:50pm

I’m reading the record run chase in International Cricket thus far was achieved by West Indies to beat South Africa in 2003, they needed 418 and they achieved it.

A good start by England but with Root and Butler sitting in the pavilion and both under the weather.... SA still very firm favorites.

Rjd2 · 28-12-2019 7:21pm

what normally happens with such chases you get a good start some nice partnerships but a cluster of wickets kills it as a contest and this England side is the type who could collapse anytime.

They do however have Stokes who can perform miracles and after last years Kusal Perera heroics here who the hell knows!:D

Mysterypunter · 28-12-2019 9:57pm

Strumms wrote: »

I’m reading the record run chase in International Cricket thus far was achieved by West Indies to beat South Africa in 2003, they needed 418 and they achieved it.

A good start by England but with Root and Butler sitting in the pavilion and both under the weather.... SA still very firm favorites.

Was against Australia, 418-7

Strumms · 29-12-2019 11:43am

A very even and interestingly poised game..England needing 205 more runs 7 wickets in hand.... Burns loosing his wicket just before lunch will have been a big shot in the arm for SA, he was going very nicely.. both batsmen were looking confident in fact, reasonably comfortable all be it runs were looking hard to come by.

Strumms · 29-12-2019 1:22pm

A good delivery by Nortje but a poor shot from Root. South Africa have to be firm favorites now... England needing 134 but only 4 wickets in the locker. Ball beginning to do all sorts, one delivery exploding off the surface the next keeping low... difficult.

Tom Mann Centuria · 29-12-2019 1:59pm

Something needs to change with England's (test team particularly), really poor for months now.

Rjd2 · 29-12-2019 7:35pm

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

Something needs to change with England's (test team particularly), really poor for months now.

Don't rate root as captain whatsoever and the mentality which has worked wonderfully in limited overs cricket of aggressive cricket has seeped into the test team thus the savage collapses.

Look at the players who are doing ok recently with the bat such as burns and denly...none of them are in the limited overs side while root and bairstow have regressed in the format.

The other top test sides have players who boss it in numerous formats...Kohli, Azam, Williamson,Smith so only picking test specialists is not the way to go but something is rotten with the test side.

Strumms · 03-01-2020 2:00pm

Bit of a dodgy start by England but Stokes and Pope looking decent, starting a decent partnership, runs coming regularly and freely, Stokes in particular with a positive mindset... just as well, England could do with an 80 partnership here and putting a score up after a very weak start.. slow run rate though overall, just 2.55 runs per over....but picking up"

Strumms · 03-01-2020 3:55pm

Good delivery but a really poor shot. Buttler looked great so far, he can’t be happy with that shot and it’s cost him his wicket. His 29 coming off just 27 deliveries. Yet ‘another’ start but not able to make a half century.

Royale with Cheese · 03-01-2020 4:43pm

Not that it'd made much difference, but Broad should definitely be batting 11 at this stage.

Royale with Cheese · 03-01-2020 4:55pm

Pope caught off a massive no ball that wasn't called, the previous ball he hit for 4 looked line a huge no ball not given too.

Strumms · 03-01-2020 5:40pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Not that it'd made much difference, but Broad should definitely be batting 11 at this stage.

For a guy in his overall career who has scored two hundreds (one in a test), twelve test half centuries and twenty four half centuries in first class cricket, He’s looking all of a sudden very Devon Malcolm like there down the order with the bat.

Strumms · 03-01-2020 7:12pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Pope caught off a massive no ball that wasn't called, the previous ball he hit for 4 looked line a huge no ball not given too.

The standard of umpires in test cricket has plummeted

BOHtox · 03-01-2020 10:51pm

It's impossible to keep an eye on the front foot and then once the delivery is released and you've accurately assessed whether it was a no-ball or not then look at where the ball pitched, if it's LBW etc. If a ball is bowled at 140 kph, a batsman has less than half a second to react. A long blink is 400 milliseconds. It's literally blink and you'll miss it stuff.

No balls should be automatically called by the third umpire.

Itssoeasy · 03-01-2020 11:02pm

I can't find a more suitable thread than this to ask this question.

Is the 1998 first test between the West Indies and England the first and only test match called off ? Or was there another one between India and Australia ? Thanks.

Strumms · 04-01-2020 4:03pm

Crucial period in the deciding of the game. If England can get into the tail with a couple of quick wickets they may have a chance of getting to bat with a lead of 20 or 30.... finely poised with England still slight favorites with being ahead and SA needing to bat last.

SharpshooterTom · 05-01-2020 2:18am

To think Vaughan thought Broad and Anderson should be split up too.

SharpshooterTom · 05-01-2020 10:15am

England a have 46 run lead. Think 250 should do it as I don't see SA chasing above 300 providing England bowl well.

What about this for a stat.
https://twitter.com/bbctms/status/1213747463544164353
Its not hyperbole to say Stokes is one of the greatest fielders of all time, probably top 10 ever already?

Strumms · 05-01-2020 12:30pm

104 run lead now, only 1 wicket down too. Denly and Sibley looking to speed up the run rate which is a good thing, it’s been a mostly cautious start to the day, the run rate is just 2.45 which let’s face it is crazy conservative these days.

Strumms · 05-01-2020 4:29pm

Barring a collapse of fairly dramatic proportions England are not loosing this match. The weather is set extremely good for the remainder of the test with predictions showing 0% chance of rain.. England will have time to put the foot down tomorrow aim for a lead of 380 plus knowing there will be plenty of time to bowl the South Africans out...

BOHtox · 05-01-2020 8:43pm

Joe Denly is a funny one. Had he made his Test debut 10 years ago you'd feel there's a brilliant cricketer in there. He'll get you a solid 30 most games now, but you feel he could have been very good. Handy with the ball too.

Strumms · 05-01-2020 11:21pm

Denly is 33, so you’d wonder how long more he’d be given if an opening batsman at county level begins to constantly impress. He looks to have a solid enough technique but the odd poor selection of shot seems to be his undoing more often then not.

Test Innings : 23

Total Runs : 720

Highest Score : 94

Average: 31.3

50’s : 6

100’s : 0

Scoring Rate : 39.82

Only somewhat strongly contributing in about 25% of his innings..Not setting the world alight and at 33 you’d have to feel he’s instantly upgradable.

Strumms · 07-01-2020 11:24am

A strange bit of captaincy here, giving the new ball to Sam Curran... bowling 78mph, full outside off stump.

Strumms · 07-01-2020 3:25pm

Buttler : “just move, fûcking knob head” after Philanderer blocks the throw back to the keeper... some verbals after the over.. haha

SharpshooterTom · 07-01-2020 3:39pm

Isn't it great to have a test unaffected by any rain go late into a 5 day.

Bollox to 4 day tests.

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