US Presidential Election 2020

The Nal · 31-08-2020 9:57am

Michael Moore warned that Trump's support among his base is 'off the charts', and he is on course to win the presidential election

Moore got 2016 right on the money

spacecoyote · 31-08-2020 10:08am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/30/outcry-as-us-intelligence-stops-in-person-reports-to-congress-on-election-security?CMP=GTUS_email

Hard to not see something a bit dubious in this. They are going to stop giving congress in person briefings on intelligence, so there are is no opportunity for questioning what will be included in them.

Given there has already been talk about foreign interference in the election, and that the guy now running the show is an aren't Trump supporter, it all points towards an effort to keep potentially unsavoury information out of the public eye

joe35 · 31-08-2020 10:17am

I think the Dems need a slogan that will stick. They should start asking what's the J for in 'Donald J Trump'.

Is it 'Judas' as he sold out the soldiers to Putin for 30 pieces of silver.

Is it 'Jobless' as 180,000 lost their jobs.

Is it 'Joker' as he thinks this pandemic will just magically disappear.

Should it be 'Z' as he's clearly sleeping on the job.

I think what Dems are missing is something that the crowd love to hear, you can just say it and walk away. Don't wait for a response. Like they way republicans say sleepy Joe Biden.

The Nal · 31-08-2020 10:21am

joe35 wrote: »

I think the Dems need a slogan that will stick. They should start asking what's the J for in 'Donald J Trump'.

Is it 'Judas' as he sold out the soldiers to Putin for 30 pieces of silver.

Is it 'Jobless' as 180,000 lost their jobs.

Is it 'Joker' as he thinks this pandemic will just magically disappear.

Should it be 'Z' as he's clearly sleeping on the job.

I think what Dems are missing is something that the crowd love to hear, you can just say it and walk away. Don't wait for a response. Like they way republicans say sleepy Joe Biden.

They need something, and quick. The Dems momentum has fallen off a cliff. Same old tired message.

Brian? · 31-08-2020 10:31am

letowski wrote: »

I think its worth waiting until Labor Day in a weeks time to see if bounce is legitimate and Trump maintains his climb. Every election, the party nominee would get a bounce post convention. Nate Silver, who owns FiveThirtyEight, is skeptical that Trump has turned a corner. Trump actually got a bigger bounce in the polls in 2016 post convention.

Its hard to know if it could be down to the rioting/looting. Contrary to popular opinion, its not a widely held view by pollsters either that the rioting and looting in Oregon/Minnesota benefits Trump. At the end of the day, Trump polls poorly on race relations, this civil unrest is occurring under his watch and Biden increased his lead back in the early summer when the George Floyd protests started.

I guess we will know more in the coming days, and its the swing state polls that really count.

In July it was 80-20 in Biden's favour and the Trumpster fire has only gotten worse. If Trump is somehow swinging votes back to him in this environment I don't see how there is any sanity left in the US.

Statistically it should be in the bag for Biden, he's hoovering up the majority on independent voters and chipping off some moderate GOP voters, but I simply can't understand how Trump has even a 1% chance left.

Brian? · 31-08-2020 10:35am

The Nal wrote: »

They need something, and quick. The Dems momentum has fallen off a cliff. Same old tired message.

"We are going to govern sensibly" is way too boring for elections these days it seems. People no longer want competence and dependability, they want some populist razzmatazz.

droidus · 31-08-2020 12:02pm

The economist model has dropped 1% point from Biden based on the last couple of post RNC polls.

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

DK224 · 31-08-2020 12:18pm

I think everyone here who is convinced this is a stroll in the park for Biden need to drill down into the polls that show him leading by 6-9%. This isn't about politics it is the complete unreliability of polling these days.
The recent polls below show the over sampling of Democrat voters and this is being passed off as legitimate polling when the Vote disparity in 2016 was only Dem+3:

CNN/SRS RV D+7
IPSOS Reuters D +13
NBC/WSJ/HART RESEARCH RV D+12
QUINNIPIAC RV D+10
CBS/SSR AV D+9.4
SIENNA/NYTIMES RV D+9

Tell me how · 31-08-2020 12:40pm

Biden's camp and everyone else should read every poll as indicating a Trump win is likely and re-energize and go again.
Two months to go.

Nobody should be using the excuse 'We felt we had done enough' after the election.

The Nal · 31-08-2020 12:44pm

droidus wrote: »

The economist model has dropped 1% point from Biden based on the last couple of post RNC polls.

https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/president

Polls and opinions based off the fallacy that the electorate sample are telling the truth about who they're voting for. But we know from 2016 that its not the case.

Tell me how wrote: »

Biden's camp and everyone else should read every poll as indicating a Trump win is likely and re-energize and go again.
Two months to go.

Nobody should be using the excuse 'We felt we had done enough' after the election.

If the Dems lose thats exactly what they'll do. They're still hungover and rolling out that excuse from 2016. "Told you so" sort of stuff. Pathetic.

pixelburp · 31-08-2020 12:50pm

The Nal wrote: »

Polls and opinions based off the fallacy that the electorate sample are telling the truth about who they're voting for. But we know from 2016 that its not the case.

If the Dems lose thats exactly what they'll do. They're still hungover and rolling out that excuse from 2016. "Told you so" sort of stuff. Pathetic.

Show the numbers; we've been here a thousands times before about the fallacy that the polls "got it wrong" - even within the last week of this very thread when you yourself brought it up IIRC - so give some stats that showed those polled lied or gave false information. Don't "silent majority" the debate with some phantom, unprovable demographic, when it has been said over and over the 538 among others gave Trump a reasonable chance.

The Nal · 31-08-2020 12:56pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Show the numbers; we've been here a thousands times before about the fallacy that the polls "got it wrong" - even within the last week of this very thread - so give some stats that showed those polled lied or gave false information. Don't "silent majority" the debate with some phantom demographic, when it has been said over and over the 538 among others gave Trump a reasonable chance.

We've been here a million times yeah. Anyone running had a reasonable chance I suppose but look at the polling for the 6 month run into the 2016 election. Look at who was ahead in all those polls. Looks at who was favourite with the bookies. And then look at who won the election. Theres no need to deep dive.

droidus · 31-08-2020 12:59pm

The Nal wrote: »

We've been here a million times yeah. Anyone running had a reasonable chance I suppose but look at the polling for the 6 month run into the 2016 election. Look at who was ahead in all those polls. Looks at who was favourite with the bookies. And then look at who won the election. Theres no need to deep dive.

Trump was at one in three chance of winning on election day. The national polls were pretty much spot on. Bookies only reflect the intelligence or ignorance of the crowd.

It was the undecideds that tipped it for Trump in 2016, and there's a lot less of them out there now. There's certainly reasons to be skeptical of polls, but this isn't an argument.

Gerry Hatrick · 31-08-2020 1:01pm

DK224 wrote: »

I think everyone here who is convinced this is a stroll in the park for Biden need to drill down into the polls that show him leading by 6-9%. This isn't about politics it is the complete unreliability of polling these days.
The recent polls below show the over sampling of Democrat voters and this is being passed off as legitimate polling when the Vote disparity in 2016 was only Dem+3:

CNN/SRS RV D+7
IPSOS Reuters D +13
NBC/WSJ/HART RESEARCH RV D+12
QUINNIPIAC RV D+10
CBS/SSR AV D+9.4
SIENNA/NYTIMES RV D+9

Many people are shamed into not admitting they will vote for Trump. Come election day all that disappears. As in 2016 and even actually more now the polls are completely useless.

pixelburp · 31-08-2020 1:02pm

The Nal wrote: »

We've been here a million times yeah. Anyone running had a reasonable chance I suppose but look at the polling for the 6 month run into the 2016 election. Look at who was ahead in all those polls. Looks at who was favourite with the bookies. And then look at who won the election. Theres no need to deep dive.

Trump had a 1 in 3 chance of winning the election. Polling is not Gospel, so Trump was well within not just the margin of error, but had a legitimate chance of winning. Clinton was favourite within the pool of editorialised journalism - but that's not what you're saying: you claimed that those polled didn't tell the truth. Where's the proof of this?

droidus · 31-08-2020 1:10pm

The last election was decided by about 40,000 votes in swing states that didn't have great polling to begin with.

I dont think theres any credible analysis pointing to a shy trump vote, mainly because trump voters aren't particularly shy.

is_that_so · 31-08-2020 1:47pm

So the Swift Boat gang are back. Not sure how successful they might be this time with a more experienced candidate.

The Republican strategist who orchestrated the “swift boating” of John Kerry in 2004 is behind a new effort to aid Donald Trump’s re-election campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/31/trump-super-pac-chris-lacivita-swiftboat-joe-biden

DK224 · 31-08-2020 2:34pm

droidus wrote: »

I dont think theres any credible analysis pointing to a shy trump vote, mainly because trump voters aren't particularly shy.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-28/new-study-suggests-polls-are-missing-shy-trump-voters?utm_source=url_link

"A new online study finds that Republicans and independents are twice as likely as Democrats to say they would not give their true opinion in a telephone poll question about their preference for president in the 2020 election. That raises the possibility that polls understate support for President Donald Trump."

droidus · 31-08-2020 2:46pm

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The AAPOR study said evidence for a “Shy Trump" effect isn't conclusive. The authors hypothesized that if voters didn't want to tell a live interviewer that they supported Trump, you'd expect Trump to do worse in live-interview polls than in ones involving interactive voice response, which is less personal. In fact, Trump, didn't do worse in live-interview polls.

StringerBell · 31-08-2020 3:03pm

DK224 wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-28/new-study-suggests-polls-are-missing-shy-trump-voters?utm_source=url_link

"A new online study finds that Republicans and independents are twice as likely as Democrats to say they would not give their true opinion in a telephone poll question about their preference for president in the 2020 election. That raises the possibility that polls understate support for President Donald Trump."

Possibly, but when the numbers at 5% v 10% basically it's a stretch to say it would make a big difference isn't it?

Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't looked into it nearly enough but an extra 5 in 1000 people not telling the truth doesn't seem like something huge. I'll look into it more.

Edit: the post above mine points out another issue

spacecoyote · 31-08-2020 3:04pm

Interesting article in 538 about the difference in voting method intentions, with something like 66% of Trump voters saying they would likely vote in person vs only 47% of Biden voters.

Opens up the possibility of Trump leading on the night and trying to call the election with a sizeable portion of Bidens votes not being declared for a couple of days due to postal voting.

Has all the hallmarks of serious chaos

Quin_Dub · 31-08-2020 3:20pm

spacecoyote wrote: »

Interesting article in 538 about the difference in voting method intentions, with something like 66% of Trump voters saying they would likely vote in person vs only 47% of Biden voters.

Opens up the possibility of Trump leading on the night and trying to call the election with a sizeable portion of Bidens votes not being declared for a couple of days due to postal voting.

Has all the hallmarks of serious chaos

That is absolutely what will happen - If Trump is leading in any swing state in the initial "on the night" vote count he will absolutely declare himself a winner and that any change in that result could only be as a result of voter fraud etc. etc.

If the State is Republican controlled ,(Florida I'm looking at you) the Governor will also start the silly buggers.

They will be aided and abetted in all of this by Fox News.

droidus · 31-08-2020 3:28pm

Yeah, thats a real danger, although apparently Florida is actually pretty good at counting mail in ballots quickly, and some version of a result is expected on the night.

If it drags on then yes, its gonna be a total s**tshow.

The Nal · 31-08-2020 3:45pm

spacecoyote wrote: »

Interesting article in 538 about the difference in voting method intentions, with something like 66% of Trump voters saying they would likely vote in person vs only 47% of Biden voters.

Opens up the possibility of Trump leading on the night and trying to call the election with a sizeable portion of Bidens votes not being declared for a couple of days due to postal voting.

Has all the hallmarks of serious chaos

Absolutely. Trump will have lawsuits for every eventually ready to roll out.

Carfacemandog · 31-08-2020 3:49pm

The Nal wrote: »

Absolutely. Trump will have lawsuits for every eventually ready to roll out.

The problem there is, as per the Constitution that would still make Nancy Pelosi* the interim President come January 20th or whenever the date of handover is. That is where things could get really ugly, as Republicans don't exactly have a history of respecting the Constitution when it does not suit them.

*Or whomever is the leader of the largest party in the House of Representatives, though this appears quite nailed on to be Pelosi.

Carfacemandog · 31-08-2020 4:29pm

That will happen when you allow them to get slaughtered on the order of Russia and do absolutely nothing about it, not even say a word, while also saying you trust Russia over your own intelligence services.

StringerBell · 31-08-2020 4:40pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Speaking of polls it seems Trump lost the military vote

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/

That's interesting alright. Something to dig into for sure.

Quin_Dub · 31-08-2020 4:47pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The problem there is, as per the Constitution that would still make Nancy Pelosi* the interim President come January 20th or whenever the date of handover is. That is where things could get really ugly, as Republicans don't exactly have a history of respecting the Constitution when it does not suit them.

*Or whomever is the leader of the largest party in the House of Representatives, though this appears quite nailed on to be Pelosi.

Not quite as clean as that.

If neither candidate has enough Electors to reach 270 - Which could happen if multiple states are being challenged and if the governors refuse to send forward delegates to the Electoral college vote (around 10 of December I think).

It then becomes a Congressional vote - The House elects the President and the Senate elects the VP.

BUT - It's not a House/Senate vote as such.

For the House , it's a State by State vote - So which every party has the most house seats in a given State get that States vote.

So the dozens of Democrat House seats get 1 vote , just the same a the 1 of 2 GOP houses seats in places like Montana etc.

The upshot is - The GOP have the lead on a State by State level 26-24 and of course they lead in the Senate.

If it comes to this , the vote will be in December and based off the current seats , not the result of the November elections.

so Trump would get re-elected if the EC is contested and can't go forward in the normal way.

The Pelosi scenario only really applies to a scenario where the election doesn't happen.

AbusesToilets · 31-08-2020 4:59pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Not quite as clean as that.

If neither candidate has enough Electors to reach 270 - Which could happen if multiple states are being challenged and if the governors refuse to send forward delegates to the Electoral college vote (around 10 of December I think).

It then becomes a Congressional vote - The House elects the President and the Senate elects the VP.

BUT - It's not a House/Senate vote as such.

For the House , it's a State by State vote - So which every party has the most house seats in a given State get that States vote.

So the dozens of Democrat House seats get 1 vote , just the same a the 1 of 2 GOP houses seats in places like Montana etc.

The upshot is - The GOP have the lead on a State by State level 26-24 and of course they lead in the Senate.

If it comes to this , the vote will be in December and based off the current seats , not the result of the November elections.

so Trump would get re-elected if the EC is contested and can't go forward in the normal way.

The Pelosi scenario only really applies to a scenario where the election doesn't happen.

And here I was thinking Veep was satirical

Retr0gamer · 31-08-2020 5:07pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

That will happen when you allow them to get slaughtered on the order of Russia and do absolutely nothing about it, not even say a word, while also saying you trust Russia over your own intelligence services.

Or cowardly pull them out of syria to let the people they are protecting be massacred.

briany · 31-08-2020 8:39pm

Independent journalist Tim Pool now is now saying that, according to the latest data, Trump has pushed ahead of Biden in the polls. I don't really see this being beared out in any official poll, but what Pool appears to be basing it on is comparing things to the leads Hillary was supposed to have held in various states this time 4 years ago as well as talking about 'shy' Trump voters.

Trump has said "The only way we're gonna lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that." That statement, combined with the idea that Trump is ahead in metrics the mainstream media doesn't want you to know about, means there will be no convincing the Trump supporter that their man lost fairly.

StringerBell · 31-08-2020 8:50pm

That last part is fine though, and largely irrelevant after the initial outburst of protest/violence/whatever they do.

You can't for example convince me that Al gore lost the election fairly either, or many many Americans yet life went on.

Long way to go yet. It will close right down to the count and probably beyond. Just gotta keep the fingers crossed trump doesn't manage to grift himself into a second term. Grifting being one of his only discernable skills will mean he is always in with a shot.

droidus · 31-08-2020 8:59pm

briany wrote: »

Independent journalist Tim Pool now is now saying that, according to the latest data, Trump has pushed ahead of Biden in the polls. I don't really see this being beared out in any official poll, but what Pool appears to be basing it on is comparing things to the leads Hillary was supposed to have held in various states this time 4 years ago as well as talking about 'shy' Trump voters.

Trump has said "The only way we're gonna lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that." That statement, combined with the idea that Trump is ahead in metrics the mainstream media doesn't want you to know about, means there will be no convincing the Trump supporter that their man lost fairly.

Yeah, this is just insane. Biden is ahead in nearly all swing states. Even the RCP averages show him up, and they are seriously problematic, because they don't adjust for house effects (i.e. Rasmussen).

There's a strong media narrative here towards tightening that isn't evident in the polling. The news doesn't sell itself.

briany · 31-08-2020 9:01pm

StringerBell wrote: »

That last part is fine though, and largely irrelevant after the initial outburst of protest/violence/whatever they do.

You can't for example convince me that Al gore lost the election fairly either, or many many Americans yet life went on.

Long way to go yet. It will close right down to the count and probably beyond. Just gotta keep the fingers crossed trump doesn't manage to grift himself into a second term. Grifting being one of his only discernable skills will mean he is always in with a shot.

Life went on, but the political atmosphere in America was nowhere near as charged as it is now.

If (some) Trump supporters get violent in the wake of a Biden win, will the likes of Tucker Carlson condemn it, I wonder? Hmmm....

Itssoeasy · 31-08-2020 10:03pm

droidus wrote: »

Yeah, this is just insane. Biden is ahead in nearly all swing states. Even the RCP averages show him up, and they are seriously problematic, because they don't adjust for house effects (i.e. Rasmussen).

There's a strong media narrative here towards tightening that isn't evident in the polling. The news doesn't sell itself.

Could that be a hang over from 2016 when they over egged Hilary Clinton’s lead and are wary of it happening again ?

StringerBell · 31-08-2020 10:18pm

briany wrote: »

Life went on, but the political atmosphere in America was nowhere near as charged as it is now.

If (some) Trump supporters get violent in the wake of a Biden win, will the likes of Tucker Carlson condemn it, I wonder? Hmmm....

I understand what your saying, but I feel your placing too much stock in what the likes of tucker Carlson et al. say or don't say. They have been showing hate and division based on lies and fear mongering for decades at this point.

If some trump supporters get violent they will do damage, of course they will but then they will be killed/arrested. Unless you think there's a very real danger of a civil war of some type? Ultimately the military if necessary will put down armed militia or other Trump supporters who fail to accept it and attempt any insurrection type violence.

I am not fully convinced there will be much of that beyond a few flare ups and lots of whining. The political atmosphere is toxic and the likes of fox of course don't help but push comes to shove I think you will see a relatively peaceful transition of power as it suits the GOP better in the long run if nothing else, they have 4 years to recover, regroup and look to take back power. That or the country torn apart?

Nobody serious pays any attention to Carlson, to Hannity, to any of the chicken hawks on fox opinion shows. They exploit people who have been conditioned for generations and right wing terrorism is obviously still the greatest threat to America but barring something incredibly cohesive (which I don't think they have the capability for) any violence will be contained and dealt with as it would be in any other country.

You will have GOP leaders calling for calm as well as Dems. Maybe I'm wrong, but I fail to see how it is in any of their collective interests to further an extremist or violent cause once their boy is done and dusted. His time is over then.

Edit: basically ignore the rest of that if you want and just extrapolate what you think will happen when the Trump supporters who do decide to rise up and retake their country from the Communists or whatever it will be? What's the end result?

droidus · 31-08-2020 10:33pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Could that be a hang over from 2016 when they over egged Hilary Clinton’s lead and are wary of it happening again ?

Partly, but its also just the way the media acts around elections. Its all about the drama of the horse race and very little about policies or anything substantive. The same thing happens here to a lesser extent. Biden cruising to a probable win in one of the most stable presidential campaigns in history just isnt exciting.

Water John · 31-08-2020 10:36pm

Good to see Biden coming out swinging and taking on Trump directly. Naming him and making him own his failures, in office as POTUS.
Trump owns what's wrong in the US, at this time.

Professor Moriarty · 31-08-2020 10:37pm

Water John wrote: »

Good to see Biden coming out swinging and taking on Trump directly. Naming him and making him own his failures, in office as POTUS.
Trump owns what's wrong in the US, at this time.

Elect Trump because he's the only one who can fix the mess he's made.

Water John · 31-08-2020 10:41pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Elect Trump because he's the only one who can fix the mess he's made.

That's the essence of the GOP message.

briany · 31-08-2020 11:05pm

StringerBell wrote: »

I understand what your saying, but I feel your placing too much stock in what the likes of tucker Carlson et al. say or don't say. They have been showing hate and division based on lies and fear mongering for decades at this point.

If some trump supporters get violent they will do damage, of course they will but then they will be killed/arrested. Unless you think there's a very real danger of a civil war of some type? Ultimately the military if necessary will put down armed militia or other Trump supporters who fail to accept it and attempt any insurrection type violence.

I am not fully convinced there will be much of that beyond a few flare ups and lots of whining. The political atmosphere is toxic and the likes of fox of course don't help but push comes to shove I think you will see a relatively peaceful transition of power as it suits the GOP better in the long run if nothing else, they have 4 years to recover, regroup and look to take back power. That or the country torn apart?

Nobody serious pays any attention to Carlson, to Hannity, to any of the chicken hawks on fox opinion shows. They exploit people who have been conditioned for generations and right wing terrorism is obviously still the greatest threat to America but barring something incredibly cohesive (which I don't think they have the capability for) any violence will be contained and dealt with as it would be in any other country.

You will have GOP leaders calling for calm as well as Dems. Maybe I'm wrong, but I fail to see how it is in any of their collective interests to further an extremist or violent cause once their boy is done and dusted. His time is over then.

Edit: basically ignore the rest of that if you want and just extrapolate what you think will happen when the Trump supporters who do decide to rise up and retake their country from the Communists or whatever it will be? What's the end result?

My basic concern is that where once you would have had a right-wing gun nut believing America was about to go Communist and take his guns and thus get in a shootout with police after intimidating local townspeople by walking down the street with a loaded rifle, (almost) everyone would recognise him as a nut. Now, this nut would have a whole movement behind him, nationally organised, which has also gained a mainstream foothold, to encourage him and sympathise with his cause. That drastically reframes any violence involving Trump supporters in the wake of Biden getting elected. They have a support network of not only people like themselves, but certain news networks, as well as Trump himself. No doubt the Twitter storm in the wake of violent incidents will contain a lot of how the Trump supporter(s) was/were harshly treated in Biden's fascist America and fomenting more anger.

The de-Trumpisation of the GoP voter base is going to take a while.

namloc1980 · 31-08-2020 11:29pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Elect Trump because he's the only one who can fix the mess he's made.

Essentially at this point the Trump campaign is almost to the point that Trump is running as if someone else is the President. They've basically installed Biden as the proxy for Trump in the White House. The rhetoric like "you won't be safe in Joe Biden's America", "Biden supports the violence" "Let's make America great again.....again" etc. It's very transparent when you think about it but millions will and are falling for it.

is_that_so · 01-09-2020 8:12am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Elect Trump because he's the only one who can fix the mess he's made.

He can't and won't and he doesn't care either. It's really all about him at this stage, obsessively so. He'd likely be a completely lame duck president from the off, spitting out executive orders and petulantly refusing to sign bills from Congress.

Water John · 01-09-2020 10:06am

The next four years under a re-elected Trump would be totally corrupt. Since those now in key positions, Meadows, Barr etc fawn over him, as you say, using EOs unhindered it would become a corrupt family dynasty in the WH.

da_miser · 01-09-2020 10:32am

Biden now 10/11 and Trump Evens.
Trump just has to step back, give the Dems enough rope to hang themselves, the Dems are doubling down on their BLM/Antifa support, hard working tax paying people see the looting, rioting and burning of cities under Dem control, they are going to vote Trump in a big way, he is now the law and order candidate by default.
If the debates happen , it will be must see TV, a Dem car crash, so i cant see it happening, Trump will eat Biden alive in the debates, i believe Biden will "catch" Covid19 and have to pull out of the debates, no way they let him be seen in public debating and having to think on his feet, he is a disaster every time he goes of script, he is even messing up reading of a teleprompter.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-09-2020 10:36am

da_miser wrote: »

Biden now 10/11 and Trump Evens.
Trump just has to step back, give the Dems enough rope to hang themselves, the Dems are doubling down on their BLM/Antifa support, hard working tax paying people see the looting, rioting and burning of cities under Dem control, they are going to vote Trump in a big way, he is now the law and order candidate by default.
If the debates happen , it will be must see TV, a Dem car crash, so i cant see it happening, Trump will eat Biden alive in the debates, i believe Biden will "catch" Covid19 and have to pull out of the debates, no way they let him be seen in public debating and having to think on his feet, he is a disaster every time he goes of script, he is even messing up reading of a teleprompter.

Biden gave a perfect speech but stumbled over one sentence, Why do the Trump zealots always jump on minor things like that?

Whats your thoughts on Trump messing up reading from the teleprompter in these clips? Or will you (like every other Trump supporter) ignore these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhgzcZH3SQ4

briany · 01-09-2020 10:37am

Water John wrote: »

The next four years under a re-elected Trump would be totally corrupt. Since those now in key positions, Meadows, Barr etc fawn over him, as you say, using EOs unhindered it would become a corrupt family dynasty in the WH.

He'll have to watch the corruption level if he wants that third term. :pac:

pixelburp · 01-09-2020 10:39am

"Hard working tax paying people" are probably more likely dismayed by Trump's stripping of the ACA and his lopsided Tax Bill TBH - or indeed what the government will do to help them post CoVid - as they are incensed by ANTIFA et al. In fact no more than Brexit factored little in our own recent National Elections, I'd be curious just how much BLM factors into US voters' intentions.

everlast75 · 01-09-2020 11:07am

da_miser wrote: »

he is a disaster every time he goes of script, he is even messing up reading of a teleprompter.

Covfefe.
Hamburder.
*Looks into a solar eclipse*
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. Tv.

Need I go on?

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-09-2020 11:10am

everlast75 wrote: »

Covfefe.
Hamburder.
*Looks into a solar eclipse*
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. Tv.

Need I go on?

I've posted a couple of vids asking him and other Trump supporters what their thoughts are on Trumps teleprompter mistakes, for some reason they seem to have either missed it or ignored it.

US Presidential Election 2020

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