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€1000 to €1500 to spend - Alarm or CCTV ??

  • 05-07-2013 9:15pm
    #1
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭


    I have between €1000 and €1500 to spend on security for my house. I have the house pre-wired for an alarm. But i am torn between getting a burglar alarm or a CCTV system.

    My big fear is people breaking in and ripping out copper etc and destroying the house. Which option would people recommend? Its a detached house on edge of town. Plenty of neighbours.


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  • #2
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Great question, ok most of us on here install both systems. Its a case of horse's for courses.
    A CCTV system will record a scene for you, however it may only provide you with adequate playback after an event has occurred, there are too many variables, weather, illumination and of course were the intruders wearing hoodies, is the reg of their vehicle identifiable, etc.

    So I would recommend you start with an alarm, if specified correctly it should activate before the intruder actually gains access to your property.


  • #3
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Initially i wanted to get the alarm but i don't have a landline so i was looking to have it configured to call my mobile phone if the alarm activated. I have since heard that burglars can use blockers to block the signal. Then i started thinking on CCTV instead.


  • #4
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    woodoo wrote: »
    Initially i wanted to get the alarm but i don't have a landline so i was looking to have it configured to call my mobile phone if the alarm activated. I have since heard that burglars can use blockers to block the signal. Then i started thinking on CCTV instead.

    What you heard about intruders and GSM blockers is true, I will be mindful of my comments on a public forum here now, but if you have a reputable installer he will have a solution to this fear.
    Did you mention you had neighbours? Sometimes they can provide the best response, if so you may not for now require a GSM type solution.


  • #5
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    kub wrote: »
    What you heard about intruders and GSM blockers is true, I will be mindful of my comments on a public forum here now, but if you have a reputable installer he will have a solution to this fear.
    Did you mention you had neighbours? Sometimes they can provide the best response, if so you may not for now require a GSM type solution.

    I think i'll go ahead with the alarm system. I won't bother with the communicator to mobile though. What system would you recommend (if boards allows).


  • #6
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    woodoo wrote: »
    I think i'll go ahead with the alarm system. I won't bother with the communicator to mobile though. What system would you recommend (if boards allows).

    For a house that is prewired you have a choice of HKC or Siemens. Also please make sure that your installer has a PSA licence. If you have any further queries you know where we are.
    Good choice, by the way.


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  • #7
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    kub wrote: »
    For a house that is prewired you have a choice of HKC or Siemens. Also please make sure that your installer has a PSA licence. If you have any further queries you know where we are.
    Good choice, by the way.

    One of the guys who priced me was selling Napco. Have you heard much about them?


  • #8
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    I would go for both .... Cctv and an alarm. Easily achievable on that budget and the house being wired saves money.
    The visonic powermaster system has Pirs that have built in cameras .. When the alarm is set and these are tripped they alert the monitoring station with an alarm signal and video footage .
    Or you could go for separate systems such as HKC or siemens and 2-4 cameras and a DVR with remote access.


  • #9
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    The downside to the Powermaster is the PiRs are not viewable by the end user.
    Unacceptable by most users wanting a CCTV system I'd imagine.


  • #10
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    KoolKid wrote: »
    The downside to the Powermaster is the PiRs are not viewable by the end user.
    Unacceptable by most users wanting a CCTV system I'd imagine.

    There is alot to think about. I know very little about home security. What system or set up would you recommend koolkid?


  • #11
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Spend the money on a Siemens SPC4320 alarm with IP access & then add IP cameras. Siemens IP cameras would be supported via SPC Anywhere App and you could add an NVR later.


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  • #12
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    Are you certain about this on the powermaster system ?
    Last I checked the cameras recordings can be sent to a server and then emailed to 4 email addresses .. Most smart phone can utilise this .


  • #13
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    It probably can do that. That would not be remote viewing in my book.
    Most other systems allow live viewing via phone app or web browser.
    Many also allow playback.
    Compared to that the Powermaster is a poor option.
    I also find most people want CCTV externally .


  • #14
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    Jeeze you should really do your homework ..
    Im talking about a monitored system ..
    I wouldn't bother with the SPC I'd get two separate systems if the powermaster wouldn't suit .


  • #15
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    I am referring to the OPs original request re CCTV or Alarm.
    In my experience most people want a CCTV system that's viewable & accessible by them not a monitoring station.
    The Powermaster is primarily an alarm verification system aimed at the UK market where there are proposals for large fines on householders where the police are called out to false alarms on residential properties.
    2 Separate systems would be an option, but with IP being the way forward IP cameras and a NVR could integrate & be incorporated into SPC giving the benefit of both.
    As the OP is working to a budget , adding IP to a SPC system initially would allow some CCTV viewable remotely over an app. This gives the benefit of adding a NVR later to make it a separate system as you suggested. It also allows you to go the monitored route and use the images for alarm verification if you wish.
    The difference here is you have access to your own cameras either way.
    You also have a larger range of IP cameras to choose from as opposed to the fixed PiR ones from Powermaster.


  • #16
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Just re the Powermaster, didn't the OP mention that the house was prewired?

    Terrible waste of alarm cables


  • #17
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    kub wrote: »
    Just re the Powermaster, didn't the OP mention that the house was prewired?

    Terrible waste of alarm cables

    He did.!
    woodoo wrote: »
    I have the house pre-wired for an alarm.

    Its really hard to see any benefit here for the Powermaster.
    Don't get me wrong, its a good system at what it does.. But I don't think its what the OP is looking for.


  • #18
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    KoolKid wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong, its a good system at what it does.. But I don't think its what the OP is looking for.

    Thats right, i would like to make use of the pre-wired set up.


  • #19
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    SPC is really giving you the best of all options here.


  • #20
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    what kind of picture quality can you get on the SPC ? What's the video playback like ?


  • #21
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    With SPC your using IP. Depends on the MP of the camera your using.


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  • #22
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    What's the playback like though ?

    Op you could get a HKC system and a separate CCTV system with a DVR Recorder easily for that budget .. Would probably be the best option .


  • #23
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Playback would depend on the camera as well as the NVR thats used.
    What would be the advantage of using a HKC system over SPC on this application?


  • #24
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    Not just HKC but the Siemens ect would be fine . A separate camera system would be less hassle . Catching myself out here but if one was to go down it won't drag the other down with it .


  • #25
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    I think separate systems are the ultimate goal of the OP. But in the meantime SPC has the added benefit of being able to add some IP cameras.


  • #26
    elfy4eva
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elfy4eva


    If it's a question if one of the other, Get the alarm system first. You can buy a dummy camera with any change you have to suit you temporarily.


  • #27
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    He should easily have enough to get the two done on that budget .
    Any installer looking for €1000 for a pre- wired system is crazy unless the house has loads of access points.
    How many accessible doors and windows have you OP ?


  • #28
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    €1500 to do both correctly is not enough...
    Any installer doing an alarm & CCTV job for that is shopping in China.


  • #29
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    Really ???? I know companies installing HKC gear For €700-€800 prewired and good CCTV for €450 -€600


  • #30
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Then you definition of high quality & good differs from mine.;)


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  • #31
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    KoolKid wrote: »
    Then you definition of high quality & good differs from mine.;)

    All depends on the cameras placement :)
    The cameras they are using are sony 700tvl Vf


  • #32
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Anyone doing all that for €1500 is cutting a few corners , I'd be suspicious TBH.


  • #33
    Evolution1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Evolution1


    KoolKid wrote: »
    Anyone doing all that for €1500 is cutting a few corners , I'd be suspicious TBH.


    Depends on the size of the house and if they opt for monitoring and maintenance


  • #34
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Regardless of the size of the house €1500 for alarm and a decent CCTV system is too low IMO. Especially with the work involved in CCTV now licencing is in place.

    We are bogging down the OPs thread with this now. Let people shop around if they are basing all this on price.
    The spec and detail you have to supply now when quoting for CCTV will easily show up the differences.
    My advice, as always, is shop around, get at least 3 quotes & compare like with like.


  • #35
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Evolution1 wrote: »
    All depends on the cameras placement :)
    The cameras they are using are sony 700tvl Vf

    I am sure they are because the CCD element within most cameras has to be manufactured by Sony. The name of Sony being used to describe a cheap Chinese €36 camera is what I believe is a flag of convenience and could be bordering on underhand carry on.
    You get what you pay for that is the bottom line and whether we like it or not we are only as good as our last job.

    Ps when a 700 tvl analogue camera is compared with an IP camera well there really is only one winner there.


  • #36
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Thanks everyone for the advice so far its very helpful. The ultimate aim would be to have both the alarm and CCTV with 3 or 4 cameras. I will start with a decent alarm system and then add CCTV. The IP aspect is appealing. I will do some more research on the set ups mentioned so far.


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  • #37
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Thanks woodoo, glad we could help.
    The IP is a handy feature on the Siemens as a starting point, but beware, not all IP cameras are compatible & Siemens will only support Siemens.


  • #38
    Morkel28
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Morkel28


    I think yo installed cctv cameras because it will help you to monitor the security of your home when you are at home.And some of them have connected with gsm technology that send you video alert and you can see the online video of your cameras using the security apps.


  • #39
    arnieguy01
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭arnieguy01


    Avoid napco in my humble opinion.

    Go with HKC or UTC(formerly GE Security)

    Always use PSA licensed installer to keep you out of trouble!!!


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