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Wokeism of the day *Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users*

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I said best person for the job and I’m not bothered about the race

    Not in any of the posts I quoted, and responded to. Did this come later in response to someone else?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    With Ruby Rose taking on the role of Apollo Creed?

    Graham Norton without a doubt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Rothko wrote: »
    Don't really see anything woke about that tbh.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Black men may be seen as a threatening, or fetishised as exotic or seen as more manly, but Black women are far less visible, it seems they're less attractive to advertisers and majority White audiences in majority White countries. Or that's what advertisers think. Black women commentators have long noted this. Black women also have a tendency to have their skin colour lightened in photos and very rarely will you see a Black woman in the media with her natural curly hair.

    I couldn't of put it better myself. Wibbs has explained this perfectly in the Multiculturalism thread before. IMO It's the sudden use of all the mixed-race couples in the likes of advertising and TV shows which consist of a black man with a white woman but never the other way around. The representation of black women in the media/tv/ads is nowhere the level black men receive. A white man with a black woman doesn't sell......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Barna77 wrote: »
    In The Three Musketeers and the series about Sherlock Holmes the dogs were all from different breeds.

    God, they started the woke movement ...

    Strangely enough it seems The Muskehounds is getting a reboot this year.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1058560844562857


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2019/10/01/why-the-asian-american-students-lost-their-case-against-harvard-but-should-have-won/

    Sadly they lost.

    Edit: read the judgement, holy moly.
    The judge said that because Asians are discriminated against due to their race that proves they weren’t in this case because otherwise the university would have given them a leg up!
    So basically the judge ruled that Harvard are not racist because they are woke. What a judge!

    I can't wrap my head around that judgment. No matter how hard I try I still don't understand it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I couldn't of put it better myself. Wibbs has explained this perfectly in the Multiculturalism thread before. IMO It's the sudden use of all the mixed-race couples in the likes of advertising and TV shows which consist of a black man with a white woman but never the other way around. The representation of black women in the media/tv/ads is nowhere the level black men receive. A white man with a black woman doesn't sell......

    Why is that the case I wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    The established bond audience is dead

    Well I’m not dead and I like old Bond movies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Well I’m not dead and I like old Bond movies.

    Shush. Your opinions don’t matter in this brave new world.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well I’m not dead and I like old Bond movies.

    Ditto... but the Bond franchise was dropping in popularity anyway before this whole idea of casting a female lead ever came along.

    The last great Bond was Connery. Daniel Craig is decent, and while at times, he carries the right impression, he just doesn't show "class"/"smooth" in the right quantities. They decided to move away from the Bond we loved from the older movies. They sought to match their expectation of what people wanted (American audiences, I expect)... the thug. A well groomed thug, but still a thug.

    If they reverted back to the older style of Bond, with a good actor, I'd imagine we'd see a lot of the older audience return. As it is, the bond movies, are just another braindead action movie, with little depth or fun to the scripts, lacking the charisma of older plots and actors. All the bad guys are pretty crap too.

    I still watch the Bond movies. Have them all on my shelf. However, while I'll watch the new one, I think they've finally killed the franchise for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,791 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Ditto... but the Bond franchise was dropping in popularity anyway before this whole idea of casting a female lead ever came along.

    The last great Bond was Connery. Daniel Craig is decent, and while at times, he carries the right impression, he just doesn't show "class"/"smooth" in the right quantities. They decided to move away from the Bond we loved from the older movies. They sought to match their expectation of what people wanted (American audiences, I expect)... the thug. A well groomed thug, but still a thug.

    If they reverted back to the older style of Bond, with a good actor, I'd imagine we'd see a lot of the older audience return. As it is, the bond movies, are just another braindead action movie, with little depth or fun to the scripts, lacking the charisma of older plots and actors. All the bad guys are pretty crap too.

    I still watch the Bond movies. Have them all on my shelf. However, while I'll watch the new one, I think they've finally killed the franchise for me.

    The Bourne series had a definite impact on the Craig era Bonds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    Ditto... but the Bond franchise was dropping in popularity anyway before this whole idea of casting a female lead ever came along.

    The last great Bond was Connery. Daniel Craig is decent, and while at times, he carries the right impression, he just doesn't show "class"/"smooth" in the right quantities. They decided to move away from the Bond we loved from the older movies. They sought to match their expectation of what people wanted (American audiences, I expect)... the thug. A well groomed thug, but still a thug.

    If they reverted back to the older style of Bond, with a good actor, I'd imagine we'd see a lot of the older audience return. As it is, the bond movies, are just another braindead action movie, with little depth or fun to the scripts, lacking the charisma of older plots and actors. All the bad guys are pretty crap too.

    I still watch the Bond movies. Have them all on my shelf. However, while I'll watch the new one, I think they've finally killed the franchise for me.

    I think they might try to do that with Craig's replacement. All the "black female bond" stuff is pure marketing bluff to build up interest. The favorites to get it are James Norton and Sam Heughan - both tend towards the suave, sophisticated end of the spectrum, and neither are black women. Heughan in particular has a Cannery-esqu vibe about him.
    All the talk is just that - Broccoli and Wilson know they've a golden goose and I doubt they'll follow the go woke go broke path.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    The Bourne series had a definite impact on the Craig era Bonds.

    They are too similar. Takes the shine off "Bond" if he's just Bourne with an accent. I know Bond was here first but he's moved away from gadgets, suits and charm to sex and fighting. The character Cavill played in The Man from UNCLE was more Bond than the recent Bonds imo.
    Thats just my opinion, others will disagree. Im still going to go see the next one in the cinemas though, whenever that will be.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just a quick reminder to you all of what real racial discrimination looks like.

    XaQMX1NF.jpg

    Nearly everything else that has been discussed here, is in reality insignificant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,272 ✭✭✭Barna77


    Strangely enough it seems The Muskehounds is getting a reboot this year.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1058560844562857

    I just saw the trailer in Spanish. They have ruined the song. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Just a quick reminder to you all of what real racial discrimination looks like.

    XaQMX1NF.jpg

    Nearly everything else that has been discussed here, is in reality insignificant.

    And today, under the guise of reversing that discrimination, we have new shiny virtual coloured entrances in schools, universities and companies.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cordell wrote: »
    And today, under the guise of reversing that discrimination, we have new shiny virtual coloured entrances in schools, universities and companies.

    It's hardly anything new. Women/feminism sought the end of male only clubs/organisations based on grounds of sexism, only to create female only clubs/organisations that exclude men. Justifications and excuses abound as to why women should be allowed such women only zones, but it's a reinforcement of double standards being fine for one group over another.

    The same thing is happening with regards to race. We've now got music concerts or other organisations, with colored only sections, or white people being excluded entirely.

    Because these movements don't want equality based on gender or race. They want more rights than their chosen opponent. For feminism, that means women having rights to things that men can't do.. and for Black people, that means excluding others based on race, but white people won't be allowed to do similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Well I’m not dead and I like old Bond movies.

    me too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Just a quick reminder to you all of what real racial discrimination looks like.

    XaQMX1NF.jpg

    Nearly everything else that has been discussed here, is in reality insignificant.

    so we all go in the same door now and there's no discrimination


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    Just a quick reminder to you all of what real racial discrimination looks like.

    XaQMX1NF.jpg

    Nearly everything else that has been discussed here, is in reality insignificant.

    What's happening at the moment may seem insignificant, but brought to it's logical conclusion, it will end up the same as the above (or possibly worse) just in reverse.
    Identity politics is the shiny new face of racism.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭storker


    Wibbs wrote: »
    True enough. You rarely saw a Middle Eastern actor or even someone who looks Middle Eastern in such roles, though that has changed somewhat in latter years. In the fifties they were either White Americans or White English people with plummy accents. Same for Romans and that hasn't changed much. They're rarely portrayed by Italians and Latins. The cast of the Sopranos would be a far better bet in a Roman setting. Cleopatra is one that tends to divide. Black Americans and others seem to think she was Black or at least Brown, but she was the last of the Ptolemy dynasty, a Greek(with some Syrian in her line). Not some blonde Swede I grant you, but Liz Taylor in the role wasn't so much a stretch.

    Except if I remember correctly she wasn't even all that beautiful, but had incredible charisma (Cleo, not Liz). I can't remember where I read that, though.
    There can be the hint of some daft "revenge" swinging of the pendulum the other way and too far. "Feminist" casting does similar. The things is; two wrongs don't make a right and two idiocies don't make a wisdom.

    Such double-wrongs and idiocies are central tenets of woke-ism, surely.
    *John Wayne being Ghengis Khan? oh jayyysus.

    Comedy gold, though. On the other hand, you had Alec Guinness and Anthony Quinn playing arabs in Lawrence of Arabia, and both did a great job (IMO) although such casting choices would be slammed these days. You can watch Prince Faisal without being reminded of Obi Wan or Major Nicholson. :)

    To go off on a tangent, the Islam portrayed in LoA seems to be a much more gentle and understanding flavour than we tend to hear about today:
    "Recite [The Koran] only as much as shall be easy to you..."
    "They will be lucky for you! Allah favours the compassionate."

    (Even more tangentially, the best quote in the movie goes to Faisal:
    "With major Lawrence, mercy is a passion, for me it is simply good manners. I leave it to you to decide which motive is the more reliable.")


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    UK government starting to protect "free speech" in universities.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-55995979

    Free speech plan to tackle 'silencing' views on university campus
    The government has announced plans for a "free speech champion" to ensure universities in England do not stifle freedom of speech and expression.

    The champion will regulate matters such as "no-platforming" of speakers by universities or student unions.

    Prominent "woke" proponents are trying to snuff it out.

    The National Union of Students says there is "no evidence" of a freedom of speech crisis on campus.

    Peter Tatchell, a gay rights activist, said the plan for a free speech tsar was part of a "cynical culture war" to use "hot-button culture issues" to secure political advantage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    UK government starting to protect "free speech" in universities.



    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-55995979





    Prominent "woke" proponents are trying to snuff it out.

    It's funny that they still call Tatchell a "gay rights activist" rather than what he really is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    UK government starting to protect "free speech" in universities.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-55995979



    Prominent "woke" proponents are trying to snuff it out.
    The National Union of Students says there is "no evidence" of a freedom of speech crisis on campus.


    Peter Tatchell, a gay rights activist, said the plan for a free speech tsar was part of a "cynical culture war" to use "hot-button culture issues" to secure political advantage.
    Seems to be an awful lot of gay rights activists pushing the cancel culture and against any notion that opposing views to their own should ever be allowed heard or seen. You can see that here on boards too. If your are not 100% with them, then you are 100% against them, and they want any discussion on potentially contentious social topics immediately shut down .......... with their war cry of "far right". Lots of hypocrisy going on with these so-called activists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    in 20 years either all actors will be AI , or you will be able to swap them like in computer games?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Seems to be an awful lot of gay rights activists pushing the cancel culture and against any notion that opposing views to their own should ever be allowed heard or seen. You can see that here on boards too. If your are not 100% with them, then you are 100% against them, and they want any discussion on potentially contentious social topics immediately shut down .......... with their war cry of "far right". Lots of hypocrisy going on with these so-called activists.

    If only Milo Yiannopolous, Douglas Murray and Andy Ngo were afforded the same tolerance and inclusion that their enemies claim to be in favour of.


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  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    so we all go in the same door now and there's no discrimination

    We always did in this country. So no need to import American woke crap. Because over there, affirmative action is a racialised response to a racial past. Here, no need.


  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RandRuns wrote: »
    It's funny that they still call Tatchell a "gay rights activist" rather than what he really is.

    I’ve always liked him. Seems an old school liberal. He’s been deplatformed himself, and accused of being a transphobe (natch) and a racist.

    Even the guardian thought that was too much.

    [url] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/15/peter-tatchell-racist-no-platform-controversy-silences-freedom-of-speech[/url]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The same thing is happening with regards to race. We've now got music concerts or other organisations, with coloured only sections, or white people being excluded entirely.
    People are actually ok with segregation, as long as it is on their own terms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭RandRuns


    I’ve always liked him. Seems an old school liberal. He’s been deplatformed himself.

    He's a bit too much of a sneaking regarder of paedophillia for my liking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It's hardly anything new. Women/feminism sought the end of male only clubs/organisations based on grounds of sexism, only to create female only clubs/organisations that exclude men. Justifications and excuses abound as to why women should be allowed such women only zones, but it's a reinforcement of double standards being fine for one group over another.

    The same thing is happening with regards to race. We've now got music concerts or other organisations, with colored only sections, or white people being excluded entirely.

    Because these movements don't want equality based on gender or race. They want more rights than their chosen opponent. For feminism, that means women having rights to things that men can't do.. and for Black people, that means excluding others based on race, but white people won't be allowed to do similar.

    There are two different things here: black supremacists and racists (BLM, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam) which are pretty open in what they do and what their agenda is. And then we have the new covert racism driven by the whites that seem to think that blacks will not able to succeed without their help. At least the former are more honest and open about their racism.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    biko wrote: »
    People are actually ok with segregation, as long as it is on their own terms.

    Sure.. but if segregation is acceptable then it should be available to all... all or none. One or the other.

    Personally, I'm against it entirely since I've been refused to nightclubs or activity clubs (gyms) because I was a foreigner. It didn't feel nice to be excluded based on my race.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’ve always liked him. Seems an old school liberal. He’s been deplatformed himself, and accused of being a transphobe (natch) and a racist.

    Even the guardian thought that was too much.

    [url] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/15/peter-tatchell-racist-no-platform-controversy-silences-freedom-of-speech[/url]

    Then he should be in favour of a free-speech "Tsar" - given that he himself has been the victim of cancel culture. Some people are beyond helping.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cordell wrote: »
    There are two different things here: black supremacists and racists (BLM, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam) which are pretty open in what they do and what their agenda is.

    Ahh well, I see them as being the same thing. Black supremacists are racists. Just as white supremacists are racists.
    And then we have the new covert racism driven by the whites that seem to think that blacks will not able to succeed without their help. At least the former are more honest and open about their racism.

    It's pretty accurate that they do need help from the Whites to be successful, considering the range of Black communities that are run down and essentially failures. If Black people were able to do it on their own, without support from others, then they would have done so before now, and it would have happened in far more locations (I assume we're talking about the US here?).

    Although, I have to question this covert racism by whites... Most of what I've seen related to this has come from Black organisations/speakers saying that they don't need help from the "White man", but demanding more funding/resources from the State. Ignoring that the state is still predominately composed of white people, and the resources available are coming from areas which White people provide.

    I wouldn't consider that to be racism.


  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Fritzbox


    -
    Peter Tatchell, a gay rights activist, said the plan for a free speech tsar was part of a "cynical culture war" to use "hot-button culture issues" to secure political advantage.

    That might be a bit rich, coming from him, surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,673 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Fritzbox wrote: »
    That might be a bit rich, coming from him, surely?

    First they came for....... , they finally got to Pete :D

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Ahh well, I see them as being the same thing. Black supremacists are racists. Just as white supremacists are racists.
    Little misunderstanding here, those 2 things are the black racists and the white racists.


    It's pretty accurate that they do need help from the Whites to be successful, considering the range of Black communities that are run down and essentially failures. If Black people were able to do it on their own, without support from others, then they would have done so before now, and it would have happened in far more locations (I assume we're talking about the US here?).
    Of course we're talking about the US of A, the best source of woke BS :)
    Any person of any race coming from a disadvantaged community needs the same amount of help. But sure, there are some problems that mostly affect the black communities, like absent fathers and gangs, but making these issues better seems to be a second priority now, that is, assuming they are still acknowledged.

    Although, I have to question this covert racism by whites... Most of what I've seen related to this has come from Black organisations/speakers saying that they don't need help from the "White man", but demanding more funding/resources from the State. Ignoring that the state is still predominately composed of white people, and the resources available are coming from areas which White people provide.

    I wouldn't consider that to be racism.

    Well, blacks looking after their own communities are not really racist (whites are when they do the same), but I was talking about this whole diversity is our strength BS which is mostly pushed by white people.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cordell wrote: »
    Little misunderstanding here, those 2 things are the black racists and the white racists.

    Misunderstanding? Yup. I'm still confused as to what you want to suggest, and how it relates to what I wrote.
    Of course we're talking about the US of A, the best source of woke BS :)
    Any person of any race coming from a disadvantaged community needs the same amount of help. But sure, there are some problems that mostly affect the black communities, like absent fathers and gangs, but making these issues better seems to be a second priority now, that is, assuming they are still acknowledged.

    Which is not, actually, true. Those same problems affect 'redneck' white poor areas throughout the US, with absent fathers, domestic abuse, gangs, and drug use being commonplace. Apart from the absent fathers (although it still happens) you can find the same problems in Hispanic communities in the US.

    In any case, I don't actually see how that relates to your previously quoted piece, and my own response.

    These problems are known, and acknowledged. Personally, I feel the big problem is how it's externalised. There is rarely any acknowledgment for Black people to resolve the problems within their own culture, instead passing responsibility for it existing, on to external influences. You see similar with other racial groups, although generally, there's less sympathy given.
    Well, blacks looking after their own communities are not really racist (whites are when they do the same), but I was talking about this whole diversity is our strength BS which is mostly pushed by white people.

    Sure, I get that. Diversity isn't a strength, because they've never managed to create a stable foundation to support it. It's always about various agendas, leading to division, not unity. Elevating one group over another with too many strings attached showing virtue or some other nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Just imagine the outcry if the was a channel called White Entertainment Television.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭rightmove


    Just imagine the outcry if the was a channel called White Entertainment Television.

    At this stage they should rename RTE to MNHB (mna na heireann bán)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Misunderstanding? Yup. I'm still confused as to what you want to suggest, and how it relates to what I wrote.
    I wanted to suggest that there are 2 groups, black racists and white racist, I never wanted to imply that that black(and white) supremacists are not racists.

    Which is not, actually, true. Those same problems affect 'redneck' white poor areas throughout the US, with absent fathers, domestic abuse, gangs, and drug use being commonplace. Apart from the absent fathers (although it still happens) you can find the same problems in Hispanic communities in the US.
    https://www.actrochester.org/children-youth/single-parent-families-by-race-ethnicity#:~:text=In%202015%2D19%2C%20the%20share,and%2020%25%20among%20Asian%20families.
    Of course this problem affects every community but the black communities are the most affected.
    Same with the gangs, there's gangs everywhere but none are as bad as the black gangs in the US.
    These problems are known, and acknowledged. Personally, I feel the big problem is how it's externalised. There is rarely any acknowledgment for Black people to resolve the problems within their own culture, instead passing responsibility for it existing, on to external influences. You see similar with other racial groups, although generally, there's less sympathy given.
    I think in the recent years, at least in the mainstream, the underlying problems are becoming more and more ignored, and the focus shifts towards fixing the effects of these problems instead of trying to address the problems at source.


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    Cordell wrote: »
    I wanted to suggest that there are 2 groups, black racists and white racist, I never wanted to imply that that black(and white) supremacists are not racists.

    Ok. Although I didn't think you were implying that... I just didn't understand your logic.
    https://www.actrochester.org/children-youth/single-parent-families-by-race-ethnicity#:~:text=In%202015%2D19%2C%20the%20share,and%2020%25%20among%20Asian%20families.
    Of course this problem affects every community but the black communities are the most affected.
    Same with the gangs, there's gangs everywhere but none are as bad as the black gangs in the US.

    So what? I mean, yes, it happens most in Black communities, and even the link you provided, when asking why this exists, seeks to externalise the factors causing it, rather than ask what is wrong within African American culture that encourages these behaviors to manifest. It's a blame game rather than a resolution game.

    I don't see how that relates to your previous claim of covert white racism though.
    I think in the recent years, at least in the mainstream, the underlying problems are becoming more and more ignored, and the focus shifts towards fixing the effects of these problems instead of trying to address the problems at source.

    Ahh well... I don't think there's any such change, and that's always been the focus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Just imagine the outcry if the was a channel called White Entertainment Television.

    A team all day every day


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭randd1


    Just imagine the outcry if the was a channel called White Entertainment Television.

    Sure they have that already.

    They just named it Fox News.


  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    randd1 wrote: »
    Sure they have that already.

    They just named it Fox News.

    Isn’t that a news channel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Isn’t that a news channel.

    It’s a network


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,129 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Fritzbox wrote: »
    That might be a bit rich, coming from him, surely?

    Bit forgetful as well, not long ago he was being called a racist and Islamophobe for protesting at a Labour Mayor in London meeting an Islamic Sheikh who speaks on the need to kill gays etc.

    Incidentally he is one of the most important Sunni clerics in the world and at the top for most of European based Sunnis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Ok. Although I didn't think you were implying that... I just didn't understand your logic.

    OK then, I'll summarize my POV as:
    There are the openly racists and supremacists, both black and white, I think we all agree here.
    But, in my opinion, those mostly white wokies "championing" diversity are also racist. Either by the bigotry of low expectation, or by trying to redeem themselves for their racist thoughts they are trying too hard to make some changes that normally should not happen by force.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    randd1 wrote: »
    Sure they have that already.

    They just named it Fox News.

    Harris Faulkner and Juan Williams would disagree with you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Cordell wrote: »
    OK then, I'll summarize my POV as:
    There are the openly racists and supremacists, both black and white, I think we all agree here.
    But, in my opinion, those mostly white wokies "championing" diversity are also racist. Either by the bigotry of low expectation, or by trying to redeem themselves for their racist thoughts they are trying too hard to make some changes that normally should not happen by force.

    Most big companies in Ireland would have mandatory staff training on these matters so there’s a possibility you’re mistaking them for being “wokies” when in fact they’re just part of a modern diverse workforce


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Harris Faulkner and Juan Williams would disagree with you.

    ...and Donna Brazile.

    There's more. You want more?


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