US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

Foxtrol · 07-01-2021 10:58pm

kowloon wrote: »

Covid is a pretty easy out. Not having a big event would only be setting a good example.

Agreed that COVID will be used to scale it back but they'll do it in front of Capitol building like usual, not in some secret location. Part of the mob were hanging out on the stage yesterday (it always takes several weeks to put up). There is no way they'll be backing down. I'd expect there to be similar minor skirmishes as there were during the protesters at the Trump inauguration.

From now in DC anyone in MAGA/Proud Boys etc gear will be getting the BLM protester treatment. Bowser (DC Mayor) is now under huge pressure due to the treatment double standards by police and is up for election next year (and will want to position herself in case Dems push for DC statehood). Even if the police resist they'll be forced to take action.

Overheal · 08-01-2021 4:27pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

No, you can't fold to terrorists like that.

A proper and competent police and military presence and the MAGA dress up soldiers will be no where to be seen, just like what happened when they were quickly booted out of the Capitol building once the resources got there. Obvious risk of one lunatic but that will be the risk throughout the Biden presidency

I think the best **** you to Trump would be if Biden's inauguration in effect had the military parade Trump never got.

kyote00 · 10-01-2021 2:54am

Maybe Biden could name Hillary Clinton as AG....

Trump would **** himself (again)

L1011 · 10-01-2021 3:07am

kyote00 wrote: »

Maybe Biden could name Hillary Clinton as AG....

Trump would **** himself (again)

Merrick Garland - the judge the Republicans refused to let join the SC at the end of Obama's term because "you don't appoint judges in the year before an election" (they appointed two this time) is already named as AG.

If they're going to use Hillary as a political taunt now, it'll probably be an Ambassador role somewhere; if anything.

Foxtrol · 10-01-2021 5:01pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

They have not had respectability for decades.

Zombie Reganism basically MUH FREE MARKETS and FOREVER WAR isn't a great deal more attractive than Trumpism for many, its just a little more acceptable in public setting.

Their own gerrymandering has boxed them into a position where these lunatics end up in power. Given whoever wins the primary nearly automatically win the seat there is no need to have moderate voices - they just need to pander to their base and you end up with some of the worst candidates possible.

10-01-2021 11:45pm

froog wrote: »

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the fact that a qanon diehard got anymore near a position of power is terrifying.

Not going to happen, these are the people who the GOP represent and pander to now, it's beyond its standard just not liking poor people and has gotten worse since Nixon.

On a side note, if Forbes follow up on the following it would be brilliant as hitting them in the pocket is essentially hitting them where they live.

https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1347922394497884167?s=20

Jaded Walker · 11-01-2021 9:47am

SNIP. Do not dump links here please.

Retr0gamer · 12-01-2021 1:41pm

And it looks like the senators that were in Capitol Building on the 6th are new testing positive for Covid19 as predicted. Many Republicans refused to wear a mask.

Brussels Sprout · 12-01-2021 4:40pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

And it looks like the senators that were in Capitol Building on the 6th are new testing positive for Covid19 as predicted. Many Republicans refused to wear a mask.

They were kept together in a room for several hours. The absolute worst case scenario for Covid transmission. There's a non-zero chance that an elderly Democratic Senator could catch Covid, die and be replaced with a Republican by a Republican Governor eliminating the Democratic majority in that chamber.

Quin_Dub · 12-01-2021 4:44pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

And it looks like the senators that were in Capitol Building on the 6th are new testing positive for Covid19 as predicted. Many Republicans refused to wear a mask.

Not only refused to wear a mask but laughed at and mocked those trying to get them to put one on.

They should test every single one of them and any that test positive that were not wearing a mask should be charged with reckless endangerment or similar.

BonnieSituation · 12-01-2021 5:30pm

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

They were kept together in a room for several hours. The absolute worst case scenario for Covid transmission. There's a non-zero chance that an elderly Democratic Senator could catch Covid, die and be replaced with a Republican by a Republican Governor eliminating the Democratic majority in that chamber.

One of the elderly (aged 75) Dem House members (Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-NJ))have already contracted Covid.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/01/11/new-jersey-congresswoman-contracts-covid-19-after-sheltering-in-place-during-capitol-siege/

completedit · 12-01-2021 5:37pm

I just thought of something. Around the time of George Floyd's murder, there was a general feeling that the protests and riots that followed were emblematic of America's inequality. Those who had been cast aside were now using this as an opportunity to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the system that had cast them aside. How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings? Maybe they have legitimate concerns and grievances with the Democrats who they believe were instrumental in paving the neoliberal landscape that has created the discontent that exists today and that has (for a significant proportion of the American population) has completely derailed the idea that tomorrow's world will be better than today.

storker · 12-01-2021 5:41pm

completedit wrote: »

I just thought of something. Around the time of George Floyd's murder, there was a general feeling that the protests and riots that followed were emblematic of America's inequality. Those who had been cast aside were now using this as an opportunity to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the system that had cast them aside. How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings?

Because they weren't responding to inequality. They were throwing a murderous tantrum because their favourite candidate lost the election.

amandstu · 12-01-2021 5:46pm

storker wrote: »

Because they weren't responding to inequality. They were throwing a murderous tantrum because their favourite candidate lost the election.

It has yet to be shown what was tantrum and what was cynical power play.

But at a guess ,those who were just throwing a hissy fit are totally happy to have that exploited by cynical organizers.

And I think I have an idea who might be the cynical organizer in chief.

Foxtrol · 12-01-2021 5:48pm

completedit wrote: »

I just thought of something. Around the time of George Floyd's murder, there was a general feeling that the protests and riots that followed were emblematic of America's inequality. Those who had been cast aside were now using this as an opportunity to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the system that had cast them aside. How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings? Maybe they have legitimate concerns and grievances with the Democrats who they believe were instrumental in paving the neoliberal landscape that has created the discontent that exists today.

Pretty simple, the two situations are in no way similar. The differences are endless but below is an example of 3.

They weren't protesting anything 'legitimate', they were fed lies from Trump, the GOP, right wing 'news' about a 'stolen election'.

The looting/destruction near BLM protests are nearly always poor locals taking advantage of the situation - whereas in DC it was fully premediated with people travelling from all over the country to attend - bringing along bombs, zip ties, Molotov cocktails, guns, tasers, mace, sledgehammers, gallows, bats etc.

If it isn't obvious, looting a footlocker isn't the same as attacking one of the branches of government while they are in the process of electing the next president - the latter is coup.

Brussels Sprout · 12-01-2021 6:29pm

completedit wrote: »

I just thought of something. Around the time of George Floyd's murder, there was a general feeling that the protests and riots that followed were emblematic of America's inequality. Those who had been cast aside were now using this as an opportunity to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the system that had cast them aside. How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings? Maybe they have legitimate concerns and grievances with the Democrats who they believe were instrumental in paving the neoliberal landscape that has created the discontent that exists today and that has (for a significant proportion of the American population) has completely derailed the idea that tomorrow's world will be better than today.

The BLM protesters were people at the end of their tether who felt that they had run out of legitimate options just to stay alive when dealing with police in their own communities. They spontaneously took to the streets all over the country in reaction to the George Floyd killing. I cannot put it more eloquently then this lady did last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9_qGOa9Go

In contrast, the MAGA protesters were trying to stage a coup on the seat of government because they were unhappy with the results of a democratic election. They attempted to hunt down members of the government in order to do god knows what with them (many were armed, some had zip ties, someone even constructed a gallows). This was planned weeks in advance and concentrated in one single location.

Both events had protests that led to violence but context is everything.

Hurrache · 12-01-2021 6:30pm

completedit wrote: »

How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings?

Dunno, murder?

jill_valentine · 12-01-2021 6:32pm

The cast-aside forgotten proud boy who smashed the windows for Babbitt's charge was wearing a $325 hat. What exactly is his legitimate grievance?

Christy42 · 12-01-2021 6:40pm

I would point ou that violence at the Capitol was also preplanned. Check any of the message boards (that are left) that allowed right wing "free speech" and you will find a hoard of death threats to members of Congress and glorying in a coming civil war.

Blm was not trying to overthrow a government, blm did not stick white nationalist flags in government buildings. Again there is no dealing with what only wants to kill.

Like France has riots relatively regular. These are protests that get out of hand in clashes with police, not nice but also not treason. This is a flat out assault on the US government with specific targets to capture and kill.

Brian? · 12-01-2021 7:20pm

completedit wrote: »

I just thought of something. Around the time of George Floyd's murder, there was a general feeling that the protests and riots that followed were emblematic of America's inequality. Those who had been cast aside were now using this as an opportunity to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the system that had cast them aside. How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings? Maybe they have legitimate concerns and grievances with the Democrats who they believe were instrumental in paving the neoliberal landscape that has created the discontent that exists today and that has (for a significant proportion of the American population) has completely derailed the idea that tomorrow's world will be better than today.

They had a chance to express their concerns in a democratic election and lost. There is nothing wrong expressing your concerns via protest to draw attention to injustice. That's not what they were doing though, they were trying to reverse the democratic will of the people.

There is nothing wrong with dissent and expressing yourself. Storming a parliament with the express goal of over turning a legitimate election results is wrong though. It's really that simple.

Tell me how · 12-01-2021 7:31pm

completedit wrote: »

I just thought of something. Around the time of George Floyd's murder, there was a general feeling that the protests and riots that followed were emblematic of America's inequality. Those who had been cast aside were now using this as an opportunity to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the system that had cast them aside. How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings? Maybe they have legitimate concerns and grievances with the Democrats who they believe were instrumental in paving the neoliberal landscape that has created the discontent that exists today and that has (for a significant proportion of the American population) has completely derailed the idea that tomorrow's world will be better than today.

This is useful because it shows without doubt that you do not understand the disparity between fighting for equality versus fighting just so your side has power.

prawnsambo · 12-01-2021 8:26pm

Tell me how wrote: »

This is useful because it shows without doubt that you do not understand the disparity between fighting for equality versus fighting just so your side has power.

It was also striking how they felt that they could attack police officers with impunity. Numerous incidences of out right violence towards police officers, pushing them violently with barriers, dragging them out into the crowd and beating them with anything they could get their hands on and only one of them was shot. Qwhite a privileged position to be in.

BlitzKrieg · 12-01-2021 9:45pm

completedit wrote: »

I just thought of something. Around the time of George Floyd's murder, there was a general feeling that the protests and riots that followed were emblematic of America's inequality. Those who had been cast aside were now using this as an opportunity to demonstrate their dissatisfaction with the system that had cast them aside. How come the same sympathy is not shown to the people who invaded Capitol Buildings? Maybe they have legitimate concerns and grievances with the Democrats who they believe were instrumental in paving the neoliberal landscape that has created the discontent that exists today and that has (for a significant proportion of the American population) has completely derailed the idea that tomorrow's world will be better than today.

I think a better question is why the rioters last week were not more like the protests when trump got elected.

BLM marches are a poor comparison because they were reacting to specific events and communities.

Losing an election, you can protest and march, they did 4 years ago when trump got elected to send a message that he did not have the support of the people (women in particular).

They were peaceful and considering how much he whines about how popular his innaguration was, it clearly struck a nerve.

Thats not what happened last week. And thats the key difference in responding to losing an election

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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