Is chiropractic nonsense?

Cartroubles · 22-02-2019 12:44am #1

Complaining today in work about some back issues I've been having. Pretty much everyone recommended seeing a chiropracter and have had nothing but positive experiences.
I've never been to one, but I was under the impression that it's hocus pocus nonsense.

What are your experiences?

NIMAN · 22-02-2019 12:46am

I found it hocus pocus nonsense.

Stone Gossard · 22-02-2019 12:47am

I thought Bette Midler was great in Hocus Pocus nonsense

Kevin Finnerty · 22-02-2019 12:47am

The blowjobs she gives are great.

Mad_maxx · 22-02-2019 12:47am

Dangerous quackery

A Chiropractor damaged my back in 2010, same shyster told me my spine was crooked having observed me walk from the waiting room to his "surgery", guy must have had xray vision or else its just something Chiropractors say?

Many refer to themselves as doctors but have no legitimacy in doing so

FutureGuy · 22-02-2019 12:48am

Have a read about the founding of the “discipline” and draw your own conclusions.

Cartroubles · 22-02-2019 12:49am

Stone Gossard wrote: »

I thought Bette Midler was great in Hocus Pocus nonsense

Are you playing in Malahide this year or what?

Heckler · 22-02-2019 12:50am

Never would after seeing Jacobs Ladder.

NIMAN · 22-02-2019 12:51am

Seriously op, if anyone has back problems they should be seeing a GP and then a physio, and no-one else.

youcantakethat · 22-02-2019 12:53am

They are dangerous, I never would go near one with my spine again, not if you paid me a fortune. Some of them at least are pure chancers, and I went to 3 or 4 until I realised that.

LLewellen Farquarson · 22-02-2019 12:54am

NIMAN wrote: »

I found it hocus pocus nonsense.

Expensive hocus pocus nonsense.

As suggested, look at the (debunked) history and draw your own conclusions .

That is why they morfed into back/spine specialists, it is more lucrative and an easier sell.

Stone Gossard · 22-02-2019 12:54am

Cartroubles wrote: »

Are you playing in Malahide this year or what?

Inch beach, Eddie wants to go surfing!

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2019 12:56am

I'm from a science background so I'm very torn on it. On one hand, the evidence for it is very limited. On the other hand, a very good chiropractor fixed my back problem of many years, where doctors, physios and sports massages had failed. My back was in so much spasm that if it wasnt for horse riding and forcing a posture, I should have given the Hunchback of Notre Dame a run for his money. I haven't had a day's bother with it since. Now I just warn people to make sure they go to reputable chiropractor if they're going to go. A chiropractor who will say no to treating you in certain circumstances, and go only with back problems. There are more than a few quacks out there.

endacl · 22-02-2019 12:56am

I’m a chiropractor*.

See?

*not a chiropractor.

_Brian · 22-02-2019 12:57am

Plenty of well documented cases of paralysis following chairopractor visits, there for anyone to google.

I know one lad who’s lost 50% use of one leg as a result of failed visit to one.

It really is rolling the dice visiting quacks like these.

Proper chartered physiotherapist is the solution.

nostro · 22-02-2019 12:58am

Quackery and nonsense.
Not sure whether they do any harm or whether they believe their own bull**** or know that they are scamming people.
They tell everyone the exact same thing. That they have a curvature of the spine that they can correct.
There may be some placebo effect but a complete waste of money.

Johnnycanyon · 22-02-2019 12:58am

My experience with them are mixed. I went to one years ago with a back problem and the only thing he relieved me of was money..But in the last few years I got a twist which gave be a very sore back or so I thought. I went to a different chiropractor and he said it was coming from my groin and should be able to sort it out. He got me on the table done his stuff and said that should be ok now.. I thought to myself, another con job but to my amazement I was totally pain free and never looked back..

Stone Gossard · 22-02-2019 1:00am

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

My experience with them are mixed. I went to one years ago with a back problem and the only thing he relieved me of was money..But in the last few years I got a twist which gave be a very sore back or so I thought. I went to a different chiropractor and he said it was coming from my groin and should be able to sort it out. He got me on the table done his stuff and said that should be ok now.. I thought to myself, another con job but to my amazement I was totally pain free and never looked back..

Soooo...you gave him money..he played with your balls...and you felt great....

Johnnycanyon · 22-02-2019 1:01am

Stone Gossard wrote: »

Soooo...you gave him money..he played with your balls...and you felt great....

Keep taking your tablets, you will be fine.

donspeekinglesh · 22-02-2019 1:08am

_Brian wrote: »

Plenty of well documented cases of paralysis following chairopractor visits, there for anyone to google.

And death. Don't ever let a chiropractor touch your neck.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/the-father-of-playboy-model-katie-mays-daughter-sues-her-chiropractor-for-wrongful-death/news-story/34ac24db599068a550068510ca7cd176

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/healthcare/call-for-age-limit-after-chiropractor-breaks-babys-neck-20130928-2ul6e.html

mulbot · 22-02-2019 1:09am

Wouldn't go to any Chiro in Ireland found them useless with all the same few techniques. However, when I lived in Canada I found thst they have a completely different setup. I only ever was seen after an xray had been done and these are brought along when going for consultation . Fixed a complicated neck and upper back issue for me.

freshpopcorn · 22-02-2019 1:12am

I haven't being to one but know some people who have and they love them. They were sick of going to pysho's with no results.
I'd be unsure if I'd try one tough.

PeteEd · 22-02-2019 1:13am

I would definitely opt for the services of a seventh son of a seventh son
A far more reliable charlatan when it comes to my limited experience of back pain

Purple Mountain · 22-02-2019 1:14am

Was there not a thread on this a few day ago?

youcantakethat · 22-02-2019 1:14am

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I haven't being to one but know some people who have and they love them. They were sick of going to pysho's with no results.
I'd be unsure if I'd try one tough.

Some physios are not much better but at least the physios are medically qualified and will generally not damage you.

freshpopcorn · 22-02-2019 1:16am

youcantakethat wrote: »

Some physios are not much better but at least the physios are medically qualified and will generally not damage you.

Yes, I understand this.
However they tried physio's and even switched them and they just got sick of there pain/issue so they tried a chiropractor and they said they have no regrets and it worked for them.

Purple Mountain · 22-02-2019 1:18am

Don't some of them use a gadget on your spine instead of their hands?

NewClareman · 22-02-2019 1:19am

mulbot wrote: »

Wouldn't go to any Chiro in Ireland found them useless with all the same few techniques. However, when I lived in Canada I found thst they have a completely different setup. I only ever was seen after an xray had been done and these are brought along when going for consultation . Fixed a complicated neck and upper back issue for me.

Funny you should say that. I went to a chiropractor in Limerick city, who was originally from Canada. Two visits and my back was sooo much better. However, he came with many recommendations, and started out doing a back x-ray. He then told me what he could fix and what he couldn’t.

Unfortunately, the poor man died suddenly, last year, so no more treatment. As a general rule I’m very wary of chiropractors, for all the reasons mentioned above.

Magnatu · 22-02-2019 1:26am

There is a placebo effect with chiropractors.
There is no scientific evidence that the manipulation of the spine is of any use whatsoever and what they do can be dangerous. But sometimes if someone believes something is helping they can convince themselves that it is. And chiropractors are helped by coincidences. If you pull a back muscle it will probably heal itself over a few weeks.
However if you go to a chiropractor while it is healing you will probably give credit for the improvement to the chiropractor.
Having said that many physios and doctors benefit from same causation confusion.

Hedgelayer · 22-02-2019 1:36am

I'd stick with the physio.
They're there to help you.

A chiropractor is there to help themselves.

Back in the 80's and 90's I remember every town and village had these bone setter's.

Strong men who could burst a golf ball with one hand by the way.

Call up to Dinjoe there on the side of the mounten, he'll fix Your back for you.

Sure didn't he pop my brother's disc back in and Bridie didn't need a knee replacement after visiting him.

I wouldn't go near them.

bfa1509 · 22-02-2019 1:36am

I meet with a lot of neurologists as part of my job and I frequently hear them saying to never let anyone touch your neck: either by a family member, a masseuse or especially not a chiropractor. The movements they force on your body can lead to kinking in the vessels supplying blood to the brain, which may lead to a stroke. I have no scientific data to back up this claim, but I certainly would not like to risk it.

Effects · 22-02-2019 1:52am

I don't really get the hate for chiropractors here.
I go to one in France every so often. He's also a qualified physio. Runs a good physiotherapy practice.
He completely sorted out a nerve problem that I had in my back that was pretty bad.
I'd been to physios and doctors here in Ireland that couldn't do anything for it.
X'Ray, dexa scan, MRI and they couldn't help me with whatever was causing the pain.

ohnonotgmail · 22-02-2019 11:53am

Effects wrote: »

I don't really get the hate for chiropractors here.
I go to one in France every so often. He's also a qualified physio. Runs a good physiotherapy practice.
He completely sorted out a nerve problem that I had in my back that was pretty bad.
I'd been to physios and doctors here in Ireland that couldn't do anything for it.
X'Ray, dexa scan, MRI and they couldn't help me with whatever was causing the pain.

So he is a physio then? He is actually qualified as opposed to somebody who is just a chiropracter and therefore not actually qualified in anything?

seamus · 22-02-2019 11:57am

I'm a chiropractor.

It's that easy.

r93kaey5p2izun · 22-02-2019 12:11pm

Complete quackery. Equine chiropractors in particular are the greatest load of bull.

theguzman · 22-02-2019 1:42pm

I have a suspected bulging disk in my C6 in my neck, I hurt it while splitting timber with a hatchet and sledge and wedge last August. Woke up the following morning in awful pain and barely able to move. Doctor prescribed anti-inflammatory pain meds.

Anyway spent a week unable to get out of bed, decided to chance a Canadian chiro in Ireland and spent a nice bit on three different visits and there was no initial relief but luckily I was able to board a long haul flight three weeks later thanks to whatever the chiro did and also a quack massage therapist gave me good help also. I still have numbness in my arms from the disk so I can't know if I got any help or not but luckily I was able to go on the five week trip as planned.

Mad_maxx · 22-02-2019 1:44pm

Effects wrote: »

I don't really get the hate for chiropractors here.
I go to one in France every so often. He's also a qualified physio. Runs a good physiotherapy practice.
He completely sorted out a nerve problem that I had in my back that was pretty bad.
I'd been to physios and doctors here in Ireland that couldn't do anything for it.
X'Ray, dexa scan, MRI and they couldn't help me with whatever was causing the pain.

They have a higher standard in the likes of the usa where they are officially recognised as professionals, anyone with some kind of cert downloaded from the Internet can start a Chiropractor clinic here

MintyMagnum · 22-02-2019 2:03pm

Long standing back issues here. At this stage I know if I go to the Dr I will get anti-inflammatories & pain killers & muscle relaxants - the cocktail as I call it. If I go to the Physio I will get a lot of Pain! an invitation to come for a course of treatments, a discussion on posture & exercise and a bit of relief, eventually. If I go to the chiropractor I will get relief from the pain and restriction and be able to move, bend & walk again! Might take two sessions, but usually much improved after one. And yes can be sore the day after. I tried Dr & Physio before trying Chiro in desperation. Took disk of MRI scan with me on their request.

Mad_maxx · 22-02-2019 2:06pm

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Long standing back issues here. At this stage I know if I go to the Dr I will get anti-inflammatories & pain killers & muscle relaxants - the cocktail as I call it. If I go to the Physio I will get a lot of Pain! an invitation to come for a course of treatments, a discussion on posture & exercise and a bit of relief, eventually. If I go to the chiropractor I will get relief from the pain and restriction and be able to move, bend & walk again! Might take two sessions, but usually much improved after one. And yes can be sore the day after. I tried Dr & Physio before trying Chiro in desperation. Took disk of MRI scan with me on their request.

You think that Chiropractor was able to read the MRI scan?

Varta · 22-02-2019 2:18pm

I have had very painful neck problems for about twenty five years thanks to a chiropractor. He sat me in a chair, and without asking what my problem was, he came from behind and forcefully manipulated my neck. I have been in pain ever since. Unfortunately, a lot of physios are not much better as they don't take the time to get properly hands on. If you can find a good physio, however, they can sometimes be very helpful. Chiropractors are dangerous charlatans.

jam_mac_jam · 22-02-2019 2:23pm

I wouldn't go near them. They are incredibly dangerous. At least other alternative medicine just rips you off. These people can do active harm.

Go to the doctor or a pyhsio, people who have medical training. You will hear lots of stories about people who got better after going but there is no proof whatsoever. I personally would not go near one. Its nonsense in all countries, not just Ireland.

freshpopcorn · 22-02-2019 2:24pm

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Long standing back issues here. At this stage I know if I go to the Dr I will get anti-inflammatories & pain killers & muscle relaxants - the cocktail as I call it. If I go to the Physio I will get a lot of Pain! an invitation to come for a course of treatments, a discussion on posture & exercise and a bit of relief, eventually. If I go to the chiropractor I will get relief from the pain and restriction and be able to move, bend & walk again! Might take two sessions, but usually much improved after one. And yes can be sore the day after. I tried Dr & Physio before trying Chiro in desperation. Took disk of MRI scan with me on their request.

Yes this is why people went to chiropractors in my experience it was just them being tired of going to GP's and folking out loads of money to physos and getting no results. Those who did seem to have no regrets in my experience.

jam_mac_jam · 22-02-2019 2:24pm

Varta wrote: »

I have had very painful neck problems for about twenty five years thanks to a chiropractor. He sat me in a chair, and without asking what my problem was, he came from behind and forcefully manipulated my neck. I have been in pain ever since. Unfortunately, a lot of physios are not much better as they don't take the time to get properly hands on. If you can find a good physio, however, they can sometimes be very helpful. Chiropractors are dangerous charlatans.

Jesus Christ. Its frightening they are allowed practise.

Mad_maxx · 22-02-2019 2:31pm

Varta wrote: »

I have had very painful neck problems for about twenty five years thanks to a chiropractor. He sat me in a chair, and without asking what my problem was, he came from behind and forcefully manipulated my neck. I have been in pain ever since. Unfortunately, a lot of physios are not much better as they don't take the time to get properly hands on. If you can find a good physio, however, they can sometimes be very helpful. Chiropractors are dangerous charlatans.

I foolishly took the advice of a neighbour ten years ago, he and his sons are cursed with bad backs despite being big strong guys, anyway this man kept raving about this south African Chiropractor and how he could fix my rib area pain, I fractured a rib in 2007 and even though the fracture healed in normal time frame, the pain hung around

Off I went to see this guy, he asked me a number of questions, told him I had mild asthma and he claimed to be able to heal asthma, that should have set of the BS radar, he got me to lie down on a rubber cushioned two piece table - bench, before I knew it he simultaneously pushed down incredibly hard on my lower back and kicked a pedal on the bench which made me drop, not only did I feel a crack, I heard one, the pain has remained to this day on and off, I went to the con artist with one injury and left with a second one, subsequent scans showed damage to the lumber spine, only thing which helps me fight the consequences is vigorous long walks which I had to cease last summer due to a serious foot injury so this past few months I'm waking up bent in two with stiffness

A week after I saw this guy, I stormed into his office and banged on the counter, demanding to see him, he made sure that he had a witness colleague, I berated him for ten minutes and made sure the entire waiting room heard, week later got a call from the guards, the scumbag claimed that his staff felt threatened, I just told the guard that I didn't speak to his staff, in fairness the guard wasn't remotely interested bar saying he followed it up

Subcomandante Marcos · 22-02-2019 2:35pm

seamus wrote: »

I'm a chiropractor.

It's that easy.

Wanna be a nutritionist? I can make you a cert in paint and send it on asap for €10.

Mrs OBumble · 22-02-2019 2:43pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Wanna be a nutritionist? I can make you a cert in paint and send it on asap for €10.

You're a graphic designer, so.

On a serious note I wouldn't go near a chiro. But have had exvellent results from UK trained and registered osteopaths: one fixes stuff in one session which ten sessions with a chartered physio didn't help with.

Tzardine · 22-02-2019 2:52pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Don't some of them use a gadget on your spine instead of their hands?

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MintyMagnum · 22-02-2019 3:13pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You think that Chiropractor was able to read the MRI scan?

Don't know and don't care.

What I do know is that he gets me mobile and pain free.

And doesn't care if he sees me in two days or two years - not a money grabber.

The Enbalmer · 22-02-2019 3:17pm

Don't let those sons of bitches anywhere near you..especially your neck.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2016/10/20/if-you-think-chiropractors-cant-kill-you-think-again-10334

fryup · 22-02-2019 3:25pm

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

My experience with them are mixed. I went to one years ago with a back problem and the only thing he relieved me of was money..But in the last few years I got a twist which gave be a very sore back or so I thought. I went to a different chiropractor and he said it was coming from my groin and should be able to sort it out. He got me on the table done his stuff and said that should be ok now.. I thought to myself, another con job but to my amazement I was totally pain free and never looked back..

was this in Soho ?

Ave Sodalis · 22-02-2019 3:47pm

Rohan Wailing Baboon wrote:

Equine chiropractors in particular are the greatest load of bull.

I have a friend who was told that his horse's vertebrae and pelvis were out. Now, I'm doing a masters in animal physio and have another friend who is a vet. We spent a considerable amount of time trying to tell this gentleman that there is no need to panic, and that whatever the horse's problem, his back and pelvis aren't actually out. We weren't believed until xrays showed all bones in line with each other. If you have ever seen the size of a horse's pelvis, no single person will shift it with a light press. If it's back was "out", you would notice and you certainly wouldn't be able to put a saddle on it.

Is chiropractic nonsense?

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