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The difference between opposing the MMR vaccine and opposing the HPV vaccine.

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  • #52
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Yeah, that's the attitude. Make the the topic yet another sacred cow.


    A sacred cow like the way that a nail through the thumb is a bad thing?


    You should really stop watching those post Joe Rogan youtube suggestions. There was a time when you made sense here and then you left angrily when you couldn't handle defending your right to prefer women without penises. Now you're just another caricature who feels like he needs to defend the Tommy Robinson types.


    That's quite the drop.


  • #53
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Seen this a few days ago and been searching for it since this thread opened.

    How to break an anti vaxers brain.

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  • #54
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Kenneth Eager Slot wrote: »
    Absolutely. You can be sure plenty of them do it because they feel they have to or they'll be called frigid or whatever.
    Does it not occur to them that the effect of performing oral sex is much worse than the effect of being called "frigid"?


  • #55
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    HPV is very contagious and the vaccine saves lives.

    The HPV vaccine is as important as the MMR vaccine. The idea in both cases is to eradicate the disease. People opting out of the HPV vaccine based on the Facebook scaremongering means that the disease won't be eradicated.

    Leo talks a lot of nonsense but children shouldn't be allowed into creshe or school without vacation. I can't leave my dog into the groomers or a kennel without showing vaccination papers


    What if a boy or girl doesn't want to get the HPV vaccine on the grounds that he or she would never have sex until adulthood and would never have sex with someone who has 'slept around'?



    An alternative to getting the HPV vaccine is asking your partner to take a HPV test before you have sex with him or her.


  • #56
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Kenneth Eager Slot wrote: »
    Absolutely. You can be sure plenty of them do it because they feel they have to or they'll be called frigid or whatever.

    Isn’t that even more reason to have the vaccine.


  • #57
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    political analyst wrote: »
    What if a boy or girl doesn't want to get the HPV vaccine on the grounds that he or she would never have sex until adulthood and would never have sex with someone who has 'slept around'?



    An alternative to getting the HPV vaccine is asking your partner to take a HPV test before you have sex with him or her.

    The more you post the more it appears that your issue isn’t with the vaccine but what the vaccine protects against and/or how it is transmitted.


  • #58
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭political analyst


    amcalester wrote: »
    Isn’t that even more reason to have the vaccine.


    It's more reason to step-up the fight against bullying. A girl who doesn't want to have sex is unlikely to hang around with boys who would call her "frigid" and I can't imagine other girls putting pressure on them to have sex, i.e. the idea of girls sticking together, the sisterhood, feminism and all that.


  • #59
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    political analyst wrote: »
    It's more reason to step-up the fight against bullying. A girl who doesn't want to have sex is unlikely to hang around with boys who would call her "frigid" and I can't imagine other girls putting pressure on them to have sex, i.e. the idea of girls sticking together, the sisterhood, feminism and all that.

    It’s not an either or situation though is it?

    Of course efforts should be increased to stop bullying, and better sex-ed classes which could incorporate consent would also help. But why not use all weapons at our disposal.


  • #60
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    political analyst wrote:
    What if a boy or girl doesn't want to get the HPV vaccine on the grounds that he or she would never have sex until adulthood and would never have sex with someone who has 'slept around'?


    A boy or girl are too young to make that decision. Jasus my whole class took the pledge at the time of conformation. Within 3 years most of them drank alcohol.

    How many 13 year old girls truly believed that they would never have sex before marrying the man they fell instantly in love with (love at first sight)? Fortunately we don't let children make life & death decisions for themselves.


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  • #61
    Capt'n Midnight
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    political analyst wrote: »
    However, HPV is a sexually-transmitted virus. Many sexually-active adults have HPV but the number of cases in which it leads to cancer is small. If a woman who has never had sex before has sex with a man who has never had sex before then she won't contract HPV and so she won't have cervical cancer.

    Two different opinions

    The Daily Mail - Irish version campaigning for the HPV vaccine, the UK version campaigning against it. :rolleyes:

    The other opinion is the hard evidence of the experience in Scotland. Hundreds of lives saved. Simple as.

    Also it's a human disease so vaccinating one generation completely could eradicate it forever. The only alternative is to insist on all future generations suffering from it , something I couldn't have on my conscience.



    I haven't given an opinion on the likely effectiveness of abstinence for bleedin' obvious reasons.


  • #62
    political analyst
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    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    A boy or girl are too young to make that decision. Jasus my whole class took the pledge at the time of conformation. Within 3 years most of them drank alcohol.

    How many 13 year old girls truly believed that they would never have sex before marrying the man they fell instantly in love with (love at first sight)? Fortunately we don't let children make life & death decisions for themselves.


    They'd have a greater chance of being hit by a lorry than getting cervical cancer.

    Besides, how the hell would the vaccine not work if it was taken in adulthood instead of in the early teens? There's also the alternative of taking a HPV test if you're a sexually-active adult and, if you have HPV, getting treatment to prevent it from leading to cancer.


  • #63
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    political analyst wrote: »
    They'd have a greater chance of being hit by a lorry than getting cervical cancer.

    Besides, how the hell would the vaccine not work if it was taken in adulthood instead of in the early teens? There's also the alternative of taking a HPV test if you're a sexually-active adult and, if you have HPV, getting treatment to prevent it from leading to cancer.

    Why take the risk? The whole point of vaccines is to eradicate preventable diseases, the effectiveness is less if one waits until after they have been exposed.

    Or are you afraid that once vaccinated they’ll turn promiscuous?


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    amcalester wrote: »
    

    Why take the risk? The whole point of vaccines is to eradicate preventable diseases, the effectiveness is less if one waits until after they have been exposed.

    
Or are you afraid that once vaccinated they’ll turn promiscuous?
    

    

    
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    political analyst wrote:
    

    Besides, how the hell would the vaccine not work if it was taken in adulthood instead of in the early teens? There's also the alternative of taking a HPV test if you're a sexually-active adult and, if you have HPV, getting treatment to prevent it from leading to cancer.
    

    

    
Jasus wept. Where to even start

    
Here's how things work in the real world. The young boy & girl you talk about might decide at age 13 that they won't have sex till they get married 10 or 15 years later. By the time they are 15, 16 or 17 they or one of them change their mind and has sex. They don't have a HPV test.

    
Why would you not give a perfectly safe vaccine to them at 13 or 14 before they become sexually active? What is the point taking a possible live threatening risk? What is the benefits? If there was a perfectly safe vaccine against AIDS would you not get it?

    
I don't understand why you would put your child at risk from a preventable life threatening virus? We went to Egypt last year and I spent over 500 euro on vacations. Everything the doctor said that there was a remote chance of me or my family getting we got a vaccine for. 
    

    

    

     



    


     
     
    

    

    

    

    

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