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Discovery 2x01 – "Brother" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • #102
    Greyjoy
    Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Greyjoy


    Johnny Storm wrote: »
    If Pike is such a great captain, why did he select a total loser to bring as one of his two assistants on the Discovery?

    Given that Pike's mission is to investigate the red anomalies it would make sense to bring his alternate science officer aboard rather than having to bring Burnham up to speed. Connolly may have been an asshole but we never got to see how proficient he actually was as a science officer.


  • #103
    FutureGuy
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Greyjoy wrote: »
    Given that Pike's mission is to investigate the red anomalies it would make sense to bring his alternate science officer aboard rather than having to bring Burnham up to speed. Connolly may have been an asshole but we never got to see how proficient he actually was as a science officer.

    Exactly. Being a douche doesn’t stop people getting jobs - I’m sure we all know someone like that. They mightn’t be the most pleasing person person around but that doesn’t means they aren’t proficient in their role.


  • #104
    uncleoswald
    Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    Exactly. Being a douche doesn’t stop people getting jobs - I’m sure we all know someone like that. They mightn’t be the most pleasing person person around but that doesn’t means they aren’t proficient in their role.

    But they are a star fleet officers and his douchiness is putting the mission in danger. It's like in the recent films, Spock and Uhura are bickering about their relationship on an important away mission. Starfleet standards are really dropping.


  • #105
    FutureGuy
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    uncleoswald wrote: »
    But they are a star fleet officers and his douchiness is putting the mission in danger. It's like in the recent films, Spock and Uhura are bickering about their relationship on an important away mission. Starfleet standards are really dropping.

    Have there been no similarly annoying characters in Star Trek?


  • #106
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    From what I recall of TNG, every second admiral was a raging a$$hole, so there's nothing new about bad attitudes in Starfleet. Ditto stories set in the Acedemy.


  • #107
    uncleoswald
    Registered Users Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭uncleoswald


    I think it's a matter of context. Sure there are annoying characters in all of Star Trek but it's generally highlighted as an issue within the episode, whether it's an admiral who act's in a way that's unbecoming of Starfleet or a brash recruit who puts lives at risk.

    I think it's more just the way Alex Kurtzman writes characters, everything is at such breakneck speed so even character development has to come within an action scene so professionalism takes a back seat.

    I can't imagine a single captain written before new Trek who would put up with the relationship bickering between Spock and Uhura, or smug guy and Burnham. Just for a laugh imagine how Picard would have reacted.


  • #108
    Kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Goodshape wrote: »
    Really not getting the hate for Michael Burnham, or seeing the "Mary Sue" thing.

    It's not comparable for instance to Star Wars' Luke or Rey, going from farm to near-enough Jedi over the course of a movie.

    I realise this is a trek thread but I've seen this comparison before and it's way off. Rey is the quintessential Mary Sue which I don't think anyone would argue with but Luke Skywalker certainly was not.

    He starts out with a naive....almost childish thirst for adventure and is partly responsible for getting his parents/Aunt and Uncle killed. The first time he practices with a lightsabre he is useless and gets shot in the arse. He is not an ace pilot and is deemed merely "good" which is explained by his practicing in his T-16 for most of his childhood. Basically his aptitude doesn't appear out of nowhere....it can be logically explained within the universe.

    He gets knocked out by a giant ice bear, nearly freezes to death and only lives because he is rescued by another. He is a middling student to Yoda and fails to lift his X-Wing. He abandons his training to meet Vader and Vader is so superior to him that Vader only fights with one hand for most of the encounter....easily beating him anyway. Luke also loses his hand.

    I could go on but you get the point. Luke is an idealistic but flawed character whose failures are repeatedly put on display.

    Rey is the most skilled person at everything in every scene......and succeeds in everything she attempts even if she has no training or has never done it before. In fact im fairly sure that when Rey is not on screen, the other characters all ask themselves, "Where's Rey?"

    To compare Luke to Rey, who is perfect in every way......is ridiculous.


  • #109
    Goodshape
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Kirby wrote: »
    I realise this is a trek thread but I've seen this comparison before and it's way off. Rey is the quintessential Mary Sue which I don't think anyone would argue with but Luke Skywalker certainly was not.

    Yeah. Mostly I just mentioned Luke to rile up the Star Wars fans.

    Trololollollolol :pac: :P


  • #110
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    opus wrote: »
    For sure :) I had to go back & rewatch that part afterwards just to make sure he wasn't!

    That was the joke and one of several nods to fans when Pike specifically requested the red shirt to go with them on a dangerous away mission.

    Has Tilly had plastic surgery done? The growth on her face was a lot more pronounced in S1. Are they trying to "sex her up"?


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