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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    Rawr wrote: »
    That's the thing, I have often felt that a movie about something / someone else in the Trek universe might be really interesting, especially if we're talking about a one-off story and not a weekly Trek show following a Starfleet crew. I'm a sucker for good world building, and I have enjoyed it when Trek would occasionally give us a view of non-Starfleet life in the 23rd Century.

    If I were to make such a story myself I keep imagining a short war thriller set during the Dominion Occupation of Betazed. It would be a sort of Micheal Collins style story following Betaziod resistence fighters being forced to take up arms against the Jem Hadar and the Vorta. I know there was an Extended Universe Book about this (which I haven't read), but I fell like stuff like this could make for a good film if done right.
    I'd go one step further and have a non Federation setting.

    And I'm sure everyone is sick of reading this but Star Trek needs an anthology series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I do like Tarantino when he is good (He is quite hit-and-miss in my opinion). But even at his best I don't think his tone would suit Trek at all. What, we gonna have "Photon Torpedoes - when you positively absolutely kill every motherf*ckin' Klingon in the room, accept no substitute"

    If they want to go down the celebrity director route then offer it to someone like Christopher Nolan or Denis Villneuve or someone similar if you want cerebral, interesting and visually stunning Trek. Give it to Katheryn Bigelow if you want visceral action Trek. Give it to Ben Affleck or Steve McQueen if you want Thriller Trek..... Hell, give it to Taiki Waititi if ya want mental Trek. I believe each of those directors would bring a more interesting take on Trek that Tarantino ever would (With the exception of Waititi. I love the guy's stuff but I don't want him to direct EVERYTHING and he was just there for a joke really). I always thought Tarantino was a poor choice. And let's face it: Did anyone really think it was ever go into production?


    If they want to go down the celebrity director route then offer it to someone like Christopher Nolan or Denis Villneuve or someone similar if you want cerebral, interesting and visually stunning Trek. Give it to Katheryn Bigelow if you want visceral action Trek. Give it to Ben Affleck or Steve McQueen

    Rian Johnson I think could make a great Star Trek film.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    AMKC wrote: »
    Rian Johnson I think could make a great Star Trek film.
    Only if you like having all your expectations subverted.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If they want genuine creative directors to take the job, the very first thing Paramount need to do is slash the budget and pitch it as a thoughtful SciFi piece - or if it must be action based then pull a Wrath of Khan and make a re-badged submarine thriller. Anything but another SW clone.

    Notwithstanding the tonal clash of Trek as a rollercoaster blockbuster, there's simply less runway for any talented director to work with if 70% of the work is happening with the 2nd unit or FX team.

    Perhaps, perhaps with successes like Joker there's a slim chance the studio might realise you can make a hit with a good cast or director, and put some reasonable constraints on the production. Denis Villeneuve would be a great choice, and someone who doesn't let spectacle get in the way of story, but methinks he'll be tied up on Dune for a while (assuming it doesn't flop)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    pixelburp wrote: »
    If they want genuine creative directors to take the job, the very first thing Paramount need to do is slash the budget and pitch it as a thoughtful SciFi piece - or if it must be action based then pull a Wrath of Khan and make a re-badged submarine thriller.
    I think doing a <insert genre here> film in a Star Trek setting is definitely the way to go.

    Thinking on it now a disaster film on a starship is something I'd like to see. If you absolutely must have a space battle a Pyrrhic victory for our crew as an opener could work with the rest of the film showing mounting tensions among the crew trying keep themselves and what's left of the ship in one piece.

    Is the Star Trek name alone enough of a draw with an unfamiliar crew? Genuinely not knowing who would survive would be a big bonus to future Star Trek films.

    I wouldn't mind Star Trek: A Few Good Men either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    There is also the toxic "fandom" of Sci-fi fans. ANY deviation from the norm is decried and reviled automatically. Directors of Sci-Fi franchises are in a no-win situation if they are not the original people involved. JJ Abrahams got slated for basically reworking A New Hope (Some validity in that). Rian Johnson got slated for deviating too much and everyone wanted Abrahams back. Now Abrahams is getting slated for being too safe again. And God almighty if they gave the director role to a WOMAN!!!!! Women: The scurge of Sci-Fi :) (Woke/JSW/men-hating/insert-other-narrowminded-opinion-here) Even a bad-ass director like Bigelow.

    A would believe that most directors would shy away from an established Sci-Fi franchise as there is nothing in there for them. I would imagine that if you asked many directors they would jump at the chance except for the toxic fan backlash they would 100% get. Why put yourself in that position?

    A pared back film unrelated to The Enterprise would be great. It doesn't even need to be pared back: How about an action movie about a bunch of Makos (Wasn't that what their special forces teams were called?). Or a spy thriller with Section 31. They won't do it though because Genre fans want exactly what they want with no surprises or variation..... Well no. REAL fans want surprises and variation and something new. But you have a VERY vocal minority who are nothing more that homophobic, racist, misogynistic man-children who will subject all involved to their self-loathing bile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Evade wrote: »
    Only if you like having all your expectations subverted.

    I disagree. I think he made the best of the last three Staw Wars films even if it did have that silly bit with Leia in space in it. I think its the most cohesive of the three movies with the best story and that he could make a really good Star Trek movie.
    pixelburp wrote: »
    If they want genuine creative directors to take the job, the very first thing Paramount need to do is slash the budget and pitch it as a thoughtful SciFi piece - or if it must be action based then pull a Wrath of Khan and make a re-badged submarine thriller. Anything but another SW clone.

    Notwithstanding the tonal clash of Trek as a rollercoaster blockbuster, there's simply less runway for any talented director to work with if 70% of the work is happening with the 2nd unit or FX team.

    Perhaps, perhaps with successes like Joker there's a slim chance the studio might realise you can make a hit with a good cast or director, and put some reasonable constraints on the production. Denis Villeneuve would be a great choice, and someone who doesn't let spectacle get in the way of story, but methinks he'll be tied up on Dune for a while (assuming it doesn't flop)

    Joker has to be the most everrated film of the year. I found it terribly boring and dull.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    AMKC wrote: »
    I disagree. I think he made the best of the last three Staw Wars films even if it did have that silly bit with Leia in space in it. I think its the most cohesive of the three movies with the best story and that he could make a really good Star Trek movie.

    Joker has to be the most everrated film of the year. I found it terribly boring and dull.

    Fair enough, I'm not fond of it either, but doesn't negate anything being said: point is that the production took probably the biggest comicbook property - Batman (well, Joker, but hey) - and went off to make an adult, $55 million dollar piece of art-entertainment. This was not the safe, four-quadrant blockbuster by any stretch yet the box-office proved you could make something different from a relatively mainstream, pop-culture IP.

    Trek doesn't HAVE to be a Star Wars clone, if the studio is willing to step back from making that $200 million dollar behemoth, and give some talented individuals the wriggle room to make something smaller in scale.

    Heck, the first Jumanji sequel from 2017 was made for a paltry $90 million and made nearly a billion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Fair enough, I'm not fond of it either, but doesn't negate anything being said: point is that the production took probably the biggest comicbook property - Batman (well, Joker, but hey) - and went off to make an adult, $55 million dollar piece of art-entertainment. This was not the safe, four-quadrant blockbuster by any stretch yet the box-office proved you could make something different from a relatively mainstream, pop-culture IP.

    Trek doesn't HAVE to be a Star Wars clone, if the studio is willing to step back from making that $200 million dollar behemoth, and give some talented individuals the wriggle room to make something smaller in scale.

    Heck, the first Jumanji sequel from 2017 was made for a paltry $90 million and made nearly a billion.

    Fair enough, I'm not fond of it either, but doesn't negate anything being said.

    Glad too see I am not the only other one that thinks its overrated. I was not trying to negate your point just saying that I can't belive how many people including critics seem to think it such a great film. Fair play to the production company behind it for making it such a huge success do.

    Also I hope if/when another Star Trek film does get made that its not another Star Wars/ action clone.. If it is I will not go see it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    AMKC wrote: »
    I disagree. I think he made the best of the last three Staw Wars films even if it did have that silly bit with Leia in space in it.
    And the casino diversion lecture by a millionaire working for a billion dollar company that corporations are bad. And many other things but this is a Star Trek thread.



    I'm not seeing the newest one until tomorrow so it might be the best of the sequels but like RotS being the best prequel, it doesn't really mean much.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    AMKC wrote: »
    I disagree. I think he made the best of the last three Staw Wars films even if it did have that silly bit with Leia in space in it. I think its the most cohesive of the three movies with the best story and that he could make a really good Star Trek movie.



    Joker has to be the most everrated film of the year. I found it terribly boring and dull.

    Seriously? The most cohesive with the best story?

    Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie but I am very easy to please. As an exercise in good storytelling.....it fails comprehensively. Awful pacing issues, the deus ex holdo manoeuvre, the pointless sojourn to canto bight with its political preachyness, and the stench of "tell, don't show" in almost every scene.


    There are a ton of critiques of the last jedi out there but I think this one hits the main points pretty well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Evade wrote: »
    And the casino diversion lecture by a millionaire working for a billion dollar company that corporations are bad. And many other things but this is a Star Trek thread.

    I actually enjoyed that scene a lot and did not get the uproar over it.

    I'm not seeing the newest one until tomorrow so it might be the best of the sequels but like RotS being the best prequel, it doesn't really mean much.

    And the casino diversion lecture by a millionaire working for a billion dollar company that corporations are bad. And many other things but this is a Star Trek thread.

    I actually enjoyed that scene a lot and did not get the uproar over it.

    I hope you enjoy it.

    Kirby wrote: »
    Seriously? The most cohesive with the best story?

    Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie but I am very easy to please. As an exercise in good storytelling.....it fails comprehensively. Awful pacing issues, the deus ex holdo manoeuvre, the pointless sojourn to canto bight with its political preachyness, and the stench of "tell, don't show" in almost every scene.


    I did not see any of them problems in it at all.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    AMKC wrote: »

    I did not see any of them problems in it at all.

    Watch the video so and you will. Or choose another....there are dozens of them on youtube all making the same points.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Straying vastly off topic but I enjoyed Last Jedi, and think it one of the bolder, more enjoyable blockbusters in years. It has some big flaws, starting with its misplaced comedy but otherwise really dug the attempt to play with and evolve the characters and world in interesting directions. There mere fact the world is divided over the film shows its ambition in the first place, not a safe hit of dopamine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Loved TLJ, far superior to VII. Also loved IX a lot too, both very different, but both films I'll happily rewatch over the next many years. VII was good, merely good, but doesn't stand up to its successors imo. Most won't share that opinion, which is why I avoid reading the big threads, but hell, watch a film, if you enjoy it great, if you don't, fine, each to their own.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's interesting in relating to Trek as while I don't intend going to the cinema for it, episode 9 is apparently accused of pandering to the fans who were incensed by Last Jedi - to the extent of open retcons (is that spoilery to say? Can't even tell sometimes).

    So with Trek, given the Abrams films were quite polarising among fandom, ditto Discovery, one wonders where the needle should stick between doing ones own thing and keeping the fans on board. Feels like SW fandom is eating itself somewhat, but wallowing in tropes and the familiar isn't the answer either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    pixelburp wrote: »
    It's interesting in relating to Trek as while I don't intend going to the cinema for it, episode 9 is apparently accused of pandering to the fans who were incensed by Last Jedi - to the extent of open retcons (is that spoilery to say? Can't even tell sometimes).

    So with Trek, given the Abrams films were quite polarising among fandom, ditto Discovery, one wonders where the needle should stick between doing ones own thing and keeping the fans on board. Feels like SW fandom is eating itself somewhat, but wallowing in tropes and the familiar isn't the answer either.
    I think because there's something else to directly compare the new SW films to is what's causing a lot of fan tension, the old Expanded Universe. It wasn't perfect by any means but there were far more doors open for story possibilities, especially with the OT cast, than there are now.

    It seems like nothing of consequence really happened between VI and VII in the new canon where in roughly the same time period in the old EU ff the top of my head the rebellion continued for years after after Endor, Luke successfully founded his own take on a Jedi Academy, the Republic rose up as a major galactic power again, extra galactic aliens invaded uniting most of the galaxy albeit very loosely, and then Republic descended into another civil war wit the bad side led by a descendant of Anakin Skywalker.


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