Imagine rejecting a 600k house

MFPM · 29-07-2020 3:18pm

tobefrank321 wrote: »

But buying 500k one bed apartments and 600k houses for social housing isn't? :rolleyes:

How on earth does it make sense for people with jobs in Dublin city centre commuting long distances whereas those who don't or won't work live there.

Match the accommodation to the jobs, its a simple idea, which prevents misery all around.

How do propose to carry through this feat of social engineering, should we copy the methods of the Chinese regime in reverse, instead of clearing villages and forcing people into cities for cheap labour, we tell people who are unemployed to f@ck off out of the city and move somewhere else?

Eric Cartman · 29-07-2020 3:20pm

Sinus pain wrote: »

All council tenants are serious chain smokers and on prepaid electricity - smh

thats not what anyone said, but smoking rates among social welfare recipients are a lot higher than the general population.

Also any new build intended for social housing is required to have a prepay capable smart meter for exactly that reason.

Sinus pain · 29-07-2020 3:22pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

thats not what anyone said, but smoking rates among social welfare recipients are a lot higher than the general population.

Also any new build intended for social housing is required to have a prepay capable smart meter for exactly that reason.

I think you will find they did - also please keep in mind that not all council tenants are in receipt of social welfare I don’t know why you brought up social welfare recipients when it was council tenants that was being discussed

The issue with giving council tenants these new A rated houses is going to come in to its own in a while, the heat recovery systems filters aren't designed for constant chain smoking , the costs of the A2W heat pump heating rockets in winter combined with a tenant likely on prepaid electricity thats going to be noticed quickly, especially since you're supposed to leave those on and let the thermostats do the work, not treat them like a boiler.

MFPM · 29-07-2020 3:36pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

thats not what anyone said, but smoking rates among social welfare recipients are a lot higher than the general population.

Also any new build intended for social housing is required to have a prepay capable smart meter for exactly that reason.

thats not what anyone said,

It's categorically what you implied.

but smoking rates among social welfare recipients are a lot higher than the general population.

How has this been assessed, many in the 'general population' are also in receipt of some form of welfare provision?

Eric Cartman · 29-07-2020 3:54pm

Sinus pain wrote: »

I think you will find they did - also please keep in mind that not all council tenants are in receipt of social welfare I don’t know why you brought up social welfare recipients when it was council tenants that was being discussed

The issue with giving council tenants these new A rated houses is going to come in to its own in a while, the heat recovery systems filters aren't designed for constant chain smoking , the costs of the A2W heat pump heating rockets in winter combined with a tenant likely on prepaid electricity thats going to be noticed quickly, especially since you're supposed to leave those on and let the thermostats do the work, not treat them like a boiler.

Over 60% of council tenants are only on welfare, a further 10% are on a mix of welfare and working. When somebody says ‘most council tenants are on welfare they are correct. When somebody makes a statement like ‘the majority of council tenants do x’ they are more than likely talking about the 70+% who are mostly/wholly reliant on the state to live.

A council house being held by somebody who works is <20% of cases , bringing that up sure you may aswell pick other edge case arguments.

cgcsb · 29-07-2020 4:05pm

While the poor are busy bashing the slightly poorer:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fury-in-d%C3%A1il-at-devious-change-to-bill-to-give-super-juniors-a-salary-top-up-1.4312943

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/nama-closes-bids-for-development-of-ringsend-glass-bottle-site-1.4233589

Give the plebians bread and circuses. This is why Jerry Springer/Jeremy Kyle etc. exist, it reassures poor folks that they always have someone to look down on while they are shat on from a height.

Nermal · 29-07-2020 4:23pm

MFPM wrote: »

How do propose to carry through this feat of social engineering, should we copy the methods of the Chinese regime in reverse, instead of clearing villages and forcing people into cities for cheap labour, we tell people who are unemployed to f@ck off out of the city and move somewhere else?

More hyperbole.

A few posts ago it was ethnic cleansing, now it's the Great Leap Forward. Get some perspective.

Subsidised housing costs money. Spending it in the most valuable areas of the country is wasteful.

Spanish Eyes · 29-07-2020 4:32pm

smelly sock wrote: »

Exactly. Discriminate against the poor.

The real poor are very rare in this generous country. They would mostly be those who don't have the ability to navigate the system to their utmost advantage really.

There are those living on the streets, I know that, but they often choose that route themselves, there is really no need to be poor in this country at all.

BTW, what is your definition of poverty? Plenty of middle class working people are short of money every month through paying taxes to support those in need, and paying rent/mortgage and childcare also. The forgotten cohort all the time.

LuasSimon · 29-07-2020 4:48pm

More and more people that work are been paid modest money not much above minimum wage , many of these people are living paycheck to paycheck. This is a growing pool of people as terms and conditions of employment are been eroded in recent years. Council housing in Dublin should be for these people, anyone not willing to work should be removed out of social housing in Dublin and housed in Longford or Rosscommon where housing costs are far lower.

Horsebox9000 · 29-07-2020 4:53pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Moving them all out of dublin is wishful thinking... they should be paying significantly higher rent and deducted at source of needs be, use that increased income to provide more social and affordable housing etc...

Then you get all these " salt o de erth" dubs, "we want housing for our children locally " four floor apartmebt block proposed for area " no te high rise in de communiteee"

This

A thousand times

Same people also say an apartment isn't a real family home even though the rest of the world would agree they are. So because Sheila from Kevin Street doesn't agree an apartment isn't a family home it should mean no apartments for anyone.
What about our skyline too it could hinder their view of the city as they lie in bed at 2pm thinking there is conspiracy out to get them.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 29-07-2020 5:29pm

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

This

A thousand times

Same people also say an apartment isn't a real family home even though the rest of the world would agree they are. So because Sheila from Kevin Street doesn't agree an apartment isn't a family home it should mean no apartments for anyone.
What about our skyline too it could hinder their view of the city as they lie in bed at 2pm thinking there is conspiracy out to get them.

Family home apartments in other countries tend to be a lot bigger, often with lock ups included. You can't compare Irish apartments to them.

timmy_mallet · 29-07-2020 6:03pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Family home apartments in other countries tend to be a lot bigger, often with lock ups included. You can't compare Irish apartments to them.

Exactly.

I once viewed an apartment to rent in a well know south dublin industrial estate. "Does it come with parking space?" I asked the agent. "Yes, it's in the other (500m away) block"... "so I have to go through the lifts there with my shopping, walk 500m and walk across here and get in lifts etc"... *tumbleweed* and a stare... that was the end of that.

RCSATELLITES · 29-07-2020 6:10pm

Is there a course I can do on how to pretend I am poor and scam the system. Here's me working, buying 3 properties with all my saved money and I could of got one for free in Portmarnock. Here's me living in Mullingar all that way from my family and I could of got one next door for free. Stupid me.

Horsebox9000 · 29-07-2020 6:26pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Family home apartments in other countries tend to be a lot bigger, often with lock ups included. You can't compare Irish apartments to them.

Mad idea but how about we build some then ?

Horsebox9000 · 29-07-2020 6:27pm

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

Mad idea but how about we build some then ?

Oh wait it would be rejected by the very people who need then

Idbatterim · 29-07-2020 6:55pm

RCSATELLITES wrote: »

Is there a course I can do on how to pretend I am poor and scam the system. Here's me working, buying 3 properties with all my saved money and I could of got one for free in Portmarnock. Here's me living in Mullingar all that way from my family and I could of got one next door for free. Stupid me.

With the free housing , the issue now is how long youd he on the waiting list. It certainly stacks up from an economics perspective many peoplw would be far better off taking pay cuts and getting the free housing overall....

El Tarangu · 29-07-2020 9:03pm

smelly sock wrote: »

So move people living in social housing within the M50 out to other areas? Even if generations of the same family have lived in that area? Seems like the real estate/economic version of ethnic cleansing.

MFPM wrote: »

How do propose to carry through this feat of social engineering, should we copy the methods of the Chinese regime in reverse, instead of clearing villages and forcing people into cities for cheap labour, we tell people who are unemployed to f@ck off out of the city and move somewhere else?

Daft rhetoric...

Both of my parents' families had lived in their respective home places down the country for several generations; there were not many jobs in either place, so they had to move to Dublin to make lives for themselves.

There were no jobs in Dublin when I was young, so I had to move to a different country altogether to make a go of it - it was ever thus.

It is completely inequitable that people who have never worked are living within 1km from Stephen's Green, while the working people that pay for them are having to spend hours commuting every weekday - where were the howls to indignation about 'ethnic cleansing' and allusions to communist China when RCSATELLITES had to move out of Dublin (I'm assuming here) to live in the Midlands?

29-07-2020 9:12pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Family home apartments in other countries tend to be a lot bigger, often with lock ups included. You can't compare Irish apartments to them.

Agreed. My apartment abroad is very similar in size to many houses you'd find in Dublin. The advantage of building up is that there's less apartments per floor (only two apartments on my floor), more actual space available. The Irish perception of apartments is stuck in the 60s.

James Brown · 30-07-2020 12:08am

new2tri19 wrote: »

Why are we housing unemployed people in Dublin, no problem with social housing but if your unemployed you should be housed down the country where space isin't at a premium. I don't buy the close to family argument either you have all day to travel and see them if you are unemployed.

Yep all the jobs and amenities are in Borris-in-Ossory.
How about stop selling public land we already own to private developers?

collywobble7 · 30-07-2020 12:54am

MFPM wrote:

You're well aware of the point being made, FFS.

I am and it's based on flawed logic. Unless you have purchased a house it's not yours. It's the states and the state should utilise it to the best of it's ability to house those most in need. If you want a house buy one

collywobble7 · 30-07-2020 12:57am

maccored wrote:

whos fault is that? the 'losers' or the people who vote in the governments that give it away? I say the latter.

The losers. Anyone with a ounce of pride is out working to better themselves. Some amount of useless clowns in this country and it's only getting worse

ThunbergsAreGo · 30-07-2020 6:10am

smelly sock wrote: »

Exactly. Discriminate against the poor.

Well now we seem to discriminate vs the working poor

malinheader · 30-07-2020 6:29am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Well now we seem to discriminate vs the working poor

Very true statement. Working poor forgotten about. Don't want to work and will never work poor well looked after.

Rodney Bathgate · 30-07-2020 9:00am

maccored wrote: »

whos fault is that? the 'losers' or the people who vote in the governments that give it away? I say the latter.

The ‘losers’ vote SF. Despite ‘winning the election’ they are not in government. Some of them vote PBP/Solidarity/AA/Rise.

ChelseaRentBoy · 30-07-2020 9:04am

Idbatterim wrote: »

With the free housing , the issue now is how long youd he on the waiting list. It certainly stacks up from an economics perspective many peoplw would be far better off taking pay cuts and getting the free housing overall....

What free housing?

Idbatterim · 30-07-2020 9:05am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

The ‘losers’ vote SF. Despite ‘winning the election’ they are not in government. Some of them vote PBP/Solidarity/AA/Rise.

The losers also vote fg , who have done nothing but try to empoverish many of their voters further ,through outrageous housing costs , while giving it away to others who would never vote for them...

Idbatterim · 30-07-2020 9:07am

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

What free housing?

The one where rent is optional and if paid, often paid with by the free money they are given by the state every week. Its so ridiculously cheap , thats in an insult to people paying market rent , not to call it free!

ChelseaRentBoy · 30-07-2020 9:07am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Oh how I missed the free house) dole bashing threads. Things getting back to normal on Boards.

It's a boards staple tbh. Discrimination against those unfortunate enough to be on the dole or in social housing. Good sign of a coward when they always punching downwards.

ChelseaRentBoy · 30-07-2020 9:09am

Idbatterim wrote: »

The one where rent is optional and if paid, often paid with by the free money they are given by the state every week. Its so ridiculously cheap , thats in an insult to people paying market rent , not to call it free!

But you just said yourself someone could decide to go on reduced wages so they aren't getting it free, it's paid on percentage of their wages.

Thanks for correcting yourself.

Idbatterim · 30-07-2020 9:09am

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

It's a boards staple tbh. Discrimination against those unfortunate enough to be on the dole or in social housing. Good sign of a coward when they always punching downwards.

Unfortunate enough to be in social housing ? Versus what ? The working poor paying out over half their wages on rent in some cases to pay for their own housing and those in social housing ?

Chelsea , you think its ok that some people get collossal state subsidisation and others dont. Its laughable. Many getting property for nothing and their neighbours actually contributing to the system being fleeced...

ChelseaRentBoy · 30-07-2020 9:11am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Unfortunate enough to be in social housing ? Versus what ? The working poor paying out over half their wages on rent in some cases to pay for their own housing and those in social housing ?

Yeah but not free. You need to be accurate man.

Eric Cartman · 30-07-2020 9:13am

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Yeah but not free. You need to be accurate man.

If i give a child a euro and tell it to buy a mars bar , who paid for the mars bar ?

ChelseaRentBoy · 30-07-2020 9:16am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If i give a child a euro and tell it to buy a mars bar , who paid for the mars bar ?

Sorry Eric this thread isn't about food.

Bless.

cgcsb · 30-07-2020 9:42am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If i give a child a euro and tell it to buy a mars bar , who paid for the mars bar ?

Nobody because it's been some time since a mars bar cost less than €1

ThunbergsAreGo · 30-07-2020 10:49am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If i give a child a euro and tell it to buy a mars bar , who paid for the mars bar ?

I think a more accurate way would be if I give a child a euro to buy a Mars bar from me, the child refuses to pay and gets the Mars bar anyway.

Eric Cartman · 30-07-2020 10:54am

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

I think a more accurate way would be if I give a child a euro to buy a Mars bar from me, the child refuses to pay and gets the Mars bar anyway.

and then buys a can of linden village cider instead :pac:

PeasantHater · 30-07-2020 10:54am

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

What free housing?

Come on, it's essentially free housing for a certain cohort in society, the money is given for 0 hours output and the "rent" is paid from this source (if they feel like paying it that is, please check Dublin City Council's report on unpaid rents).

Any time there's a thread like this, the assumption is that people are bashing EVERY council tenant and/or recipient of social welfare.

We are fed up with, and rightly so, the untermensch who make a career living off the state having never contributed anything other than VAT in their lives, sometimes through generations!!

You have "single" mothers who have basically become giant sets of walking ovaries in other to produce multiple kids to generate more state income and are usually neglected and end up becoming massive burdens on society (look at Darndale etc.) and the fathers are usually cut from the same rag.

The notion that these parasites are even offered these high value properties, let alone have the chance to turn them down is beyond a joke, council tenants who work and/or contribute to the tax take should only be offered in areas of choice, the aforementioned pond scum should be sent to hovels where they can't bother anyone but their own.

Idbatterim · 30-07-2020 11:48am

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30977430.html

Take a read of that ! Protesting over a 3 euro week increase in social housing rents. On the private market , you could easily have rent increase of over one hundred times that figure!

They complain about e3 a week and when welfare " only " increased by e5 week, its branded an insult :rolleyes:

There is no way any current parties here will address the issues. Youd need a new totally "radical one" , that would actually represent those paying for everything and not be ashamed for it !

Idbatterim · 30-07-2020 11:54am

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cost-of-building-three-bedroom-dublin-home-jumps-by-41000-in-four-years-1012719.html

More comedy here! 41,000 sure its only about double that when you factor in the mortgage interest!

No military expenditure , a very small elderly population. Appalling infrastructure , health system etc... two recent economic booms later, rip off housing is the only legacy of the coalition of failure, oh and nice pay and pensions for themselves of course....

timmy_mallet · 30-07-2020 2:49pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Unfortunate enough to be in social housing ? Versus what ? The working poor paying out over half their wages on rent in some cases to pay for their own housing and those in social housing ?

Chelsea , you think its ok that some people get collossal state subsidisation and others dont. Its laughable. Many getting property for nothing and their neighbours actually contributing to the system being fleeced...

Literally in new housing developments you will have a next door neighbour unemployed living on full state subsidies while the other leaves their home with a large commute to be able to pay for their own mortgage and contribute to the other.

Quite what the alternative is, though, is the question.

Plumbthedepths · 30-07-2020 3:52pm

PeasantHater wrote: »

the untermensch.

When you use such a disgusting term to describe fellow human beings I can safely dismiss everything you say as BS.
Did you admire the lads in the Hugo Boss uniforms?
At least the username fits.

PeasantHater · 30-07-2020 4:11pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When you use such a disgusting term to describe fellow human beings I can safely dismiss everything you say as BS.
Did you admire the lads in the Hugo Boss uniforms?
At least the username fits.

You can dismiss me all you want, won't change my opinion on pond scum, when you've witnessed this lot destroy areas and instill fear maybe then you will realise what a cancer on society they truly are.

These degenerates are the result of being dragged up by waster families, to suggest otherwise would be wholly moronic!!

Didn't like the uniforms, absolutely love the suits.

Idbatterim · 30-07-2020 4:40pm

The biggest issue is that government reckon rte is on the ball with the analysis and play to the bleeding heart brigade . Id love to see the day they cry their crocodile tears for the workers of this country!

The general population deserting ffg in their droves, arent as upset about the 10k homeless , as they are about several hundred thousand of them , being unable or robbed blind to put a roof over their heads...

Thats the real scandal. Not a mothetr showing up to a garda station and one night in the station to get your 4eva home. And of course they are right to do it, the system is so weak and such a struggle for many , youd be an idiotic martyr not to do it...

ThunbergsAreGo · 30-07-2020 5:30pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

The biggest issue is that government reckon rte is on the ball with the analysis and play to the bleeding heart brigade . Id love to see the day they cry their crocodile tears for the workers of this country!

The general population deserting ffg in their droves, arent as upset about the 10k homeless , as they are about several hundred thousand of them , being unable or robbed blind to put a roof over their heads...

Thats the real scandal. Not a mothetr showing up to a garda station and one night in the station to get your 4eva home. And of course they are right to do it, the system is so weak and such a struggle for many , youd be an idiotic martyr not to do it...

There is nowhere to go. There are no dissenting voices on the current approach within Irish politics. Low wage workers get ridden

cgcsb · 30-07-2020 6:33pm

Speaking of workers being ripped off does anyone ever question banking fees on current accounts that are strangely unique to this country?

KBC: deposit a min of €2000 a month to avoid charges
AIB: maintain a balance of €2,500 each quarter to avoid charges
UB: maintain a balance of €3,000 to avoid charges
BOI: maintain a balance of €3,000 to avoid charges

This is basically a tax on being poor and I've never once heard PBP, SF or similar bring it up.

El Tarangu · 30-07-2020 8:34pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Speaking of workers being ripped off does anyone ever question banking fees on current accounts that are strangely unique to this country?

KBC: deposit a min of €2000 a month to avoid charges
AIB: maintain a balance of €2,500 each quarter to avoid charges
UB: maintain a balance of €3,000 to avoid charges
BOI: maintain a balance of €3,000 to avoid charges

This is basically a tax on being poor and I've never once heard PBP, SF or similar bring it up.

They do fall disproportionately on the poor, but charges like this are not unique to Ireland (in other countries, you are charged per ATM withdrawal). It should be noted though that provision of current account services to low-activity accounts does cost banks money.

Idbatterim · 02-08-2020 1:22pm

https://www.thejournal.ie/opinion-poll-politics-2-5166225-Aug2020/

Sf will be largest party next time round , unless ffg do something about housing... which they wont.... too busy giving it away to many , instead of charging reasonable rents and using it to fund more social and affordable for others...

Prepared to lose a lot of support and seats , due to stiffing their own ex voters. But are such cowards , theyd rather do that than appear to charge the likes of margaret cash more rent. Pathetic here that rte are actually running the show , as the politicians are spineless wasters...

perfectkama · 02-08-2020 2:02pm

Next GE will see SF/IRA elected but we will probably be in another bailout with our large deficit and what ever the GP leaves us with.
your favorite party would decimate the economy they are populist "tax the rich" who will be long gone with much of the FDI so don't see where they will get money to build forever homes for there main SW base

The system is open to so much abuse that some on benefits are laughing at the one who go to work and pay taxes and if you have saved and got a mortgage one of them could be living beside you

Idbatterim · 02-08-2020 2:32pm

You are right with much or what you say. But the shift to sf is partly ex younger and youngish fg voters , not standing for being robbed blind for housing. Its a morally corrupt disgrace ...

Fg have done nothimg about it for years... what have they done about the outrageous system of the working poor, stuck , screwed themselveses for housing , so that others can have it for nothing ?

Your point is sf arent the solution, well ffg sure as hell arent either...

perfectkama · 02-08-2020 2:44pm

Its about wanting FREE housing people who can afford to pay high rents should be allowed some do so they don't live with SW tenants
sf will give more entitlement to the wasters its there base apart from being run by a military council

Imagine rejecting a 600k house

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