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Paul Dunne - 2017 British Masters Champion!!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭paulos53


    He got rid of his caddy around a month ago. A number of golfers have seen that result in a change of form but not in this instance.

    I believe he had Dave McNeilly on the bag last week and again for the next 2 tournaments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭roverjoyce


    abff wrote: »
    Down to 116th now and will need something special to hold onto his card.
    I read somewhere he is guaranteed his card as there is only 2 events left to get your card (France & Portugal)


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    roverjoyce wrote: »
    I read somewhere he is guaranteed his card as there is only 2 events left to get your card (France & Portugal)

    How would that guarantee it?

    He will still need to get back inside the top 110?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 AnClar14959713


    roverjoyce wrote: »
    I read somewhere he is guaranteed his card as there is only 2 events left to get your card (France & Portugal)

    He was told a few weeks ago that his card was secure. However who ever said that to him told Paul a porky and with the pride of Greystones currently 116th in the Race to Dubai, he probably needs a top 20 finish in either France or Portugal to secure his European tour playing privileges for the 2020 season. The top 117 players secure their European Tour cards for next season.

    Regardless of how he fares over these next two weeks, this has been a most disappointing season for Dunne who in his last 12 events has missed 10 of the last 12 cuts. He will need to reassess his inner circle or team around him post-season if he needs to fulfill the massive talent that he well capable of.

    A lot has been said about his slow play. My opinion is that he is not going to change as he probably will admit that by playing faster would negatively affect his play even more. He is very much an advocate of the "process" method. Call me old-school but this "process" is the greatest load of you know what that is out there. All these so called sport psychologists thinking that they know it all by offering this advice.

    For example if you made 7 bogeys in your first 10 or 11 holes in a round, do you stick to this "process"? Unless you have some kind of robotic type of personality then you clearly have to decide that you need a different mentality. Those advocating this are imo partly responsible for the issues regarding slow play.

    The most important thing for Paul is to find fairways. Whether its taking an iron off the tee in par 4's or 5's, just something to keep the ball in the short grass is a must. If he can do that then Paul should find it considerably less stressful with his approach shots. I hope he will produce the goods over the next two weeks, or else he will have to return to Q-School final stage in Lumine, Spain in the middle of November over a grueling 108 holes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    He was told a few weeks ago that his card was secure. However who ever said that to him told Paul a porky and with the pride of Greystones currently 116th in the Race to Dubai, he probably needs a top 20 finish in either France or Portugal to secure his European tour playing privileges for the 2020 season. The top 117 players secure their European Tour cards for next season.

    Sorry but that is nonsense. Dunne will know perfectly well who gets a card and I assume he can add.

    What he is "told" doesn't come into it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 AnClar14959713


    First Up wrote: »
    Sorry but that is nonsense. Dunne will know perfectly well who gets a card and I assume he can add.

    What he is "told" doesn't come into it.

    Just for clarification, Dunne was told in either late September or early October that his current Race to Dubai ranking (106th before the Spanish Open two weeks ago) and points total did exceed "the projected minimum ranking required to finish inside the top 119.." of the R2D come the conclusion of the Portugal Masters. I believe that due to some non-affiliated players not reaching the minimum amount of tournaments required to hold onto European Tour membership, that 119 magic number is now the top 117 and is still subject to change. Dunne subsequently missed the cut in both the Spanish Open and Italian Open and is now in a precarious 116th in the rankings, with two full field ET events remaining

    My main gra with this is it would have given Paul a false sense of security by being told that your card was more or less secure and then realizing that wasn't the case. Paul is a very intelligent guy but I sincerely hope that your rationale is correct First Up and quite simply he took the news that he got from this unnamed individual regarding his tour card with a huge degree of a pinch of salt.

    Anyways what we do agree on is that we both want Paul to secure his playing privileges on the European Tour for next season and lets hope with the undoubted quality and ability that the Greystones clubman possess that he hasn't to go through this "will he, won't he retain his European Tour card" ordeal for some time to come.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I would have thought his 2017 win gave him a few years exemption


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Just for clarification, Dunne was told in either late September or early October that his current Race to Dubai ranking (106th before the Spanish Open two weeks ago) and points total did exceed "the projected minimum ranking required to finish inside the top 119.." of the R2D come the conclusion of the Portugal Masters.

    What does a "projected" ranking mean? Someone's best guess?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40 AnClar14959713


    slave1 wrote: »
    I would have thought his 2017 win gave him a few years exemption

    That two-year exemption ends following the conclusion of this season. The event he won in October 2017, the British Masters at Close House where Lee Westwood hosted, was not an Rolex Series event which gives a 3 year exemption for the winner. Therefore it was just a 2 year exemption for Paul's maiden professional triumph there on the outskirts of Newcastle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭paulos53


    In trouble early in the first round. Level par through 5 holes but followed that with treble and double bogeys on the next 2 holes.
    +5 after 9


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Dbu


    paulos53 wrote: »
    In trouble early in the first round. Level par through 5 holes but followed that with treble and double bogeys on the next 2 holes.
    +5 after 9

    Sad to see. Will be a hard slog to get back to where he was, given that he probably wont have a card now.
    I presume tour school would be his next stop then?


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    Dbu wrote: »
    Sad to see. Will be a hard slog to get back to where he was, given that he probably wont have a card now.
    I presume tour school would be his next stop then?

    He'll be into the final qualifying school. A fairly bleak place if your game isn't in shape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Off to school for dunner. Snowman on par 5 but an end to his tour card as things stand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭plumber77


    Just hit another into the water and flung his club off the ground. Pure frustration but hard to watch that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,997 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Jaysus - that is some fall in form from Dunne.

    Goes to show - golf a tough tough game at the top.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 82 ✭✭Dog Murphy


    I'd say golf is the professional sport where it is most difficult to be consistently excellent in, you regularly see players who are top quality for 2 or 3 years and then just fall off a cliff for example where is Hunter Mahan these days he seems to have disappeared.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭benny79


    Dog Murphy wrote: »
    I'd say golf is the professional sport where it is most difficult to be consistently excellent in, you regularly see players who are top quality for 2 or 3 years and then just fall off a cliff for example where is Hunter Mahan these days he seems to have disappeared.

    So true just goes to show how good the lads are that are at the top. Yea where is Hunter Mahan?


  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭plumber77


    Didn't Hunter Mahan have personal issues off the course last year. Probably contributed to his demise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Irishdaywalker


    Hunter Mahon never really recovered from his yippy chip in the ryder cup against Gmac, it amazing really what the Ryder Cup can do to your game even if you played well in it, the pressure of what they experience could be too much for some players . . . Hunter, Colsarts, pieters, walton (way back) . . maybe it's not the reason but hunter never got back after Celtic Manor?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Dbu


    Hunter Mahon never really recovered from his yippy chip in the ryder cup against Gmac, it amazing really what the Ryder Cup can do to your game even if you played well in it, the pressure of what they experience could be too much for some players . . . Hunter, Colsarts, pieters, walton (way back) . . maybe it's not the reason but hunter never got back after Celtic Manor?

    A personal tragedy was one of the main reasons for Hunter spending more time with his family and intimately his tumble down the rankings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    Walton certainly wasn’t the Ryder Cup


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭benny79


    Dbu wrote: »
    A personal tragedy was one of the main reasons for Hunter spending more time with his family and intimately his tumble down the rankings.

    Yea I googled him yesterday seemly he dropped down to the web.com tour after a personal tragedy I think he gained his card last year and is on the way back. But he had a family also and was spending more time with them. I suppose in once sense he's a millionaire so maybe hes happy with his lot and took time away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mighty magpie


    benny79 wrote: »
    Yea I googled him yesterday seemly he dropped down to the web.com tour after a personal tragedy I think he gained his card last year and is on the way back. But he had a family also and was spending more time with them. I suppose in once sense he's a millionaire so maybe hes happy with his lot and took time away.

    Also read about his situation after checking this thread then watched a few videos of his chip/interview after the ryder cup beside other american players.

    Tough watch.

    Thing is, even if he did get up and down when he fluffed the chip, mcdowell was still in the driving seat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Banner2theend


    Classy stuff from Shane Lowry as you can see in the link below re Paul Dunne's plight at the moment. When you are a friend during hard times, that is as much more important during the good times. Lowry and Dunne are really great friends and fingers crosses that the support of the Open champion, where golf seems that bit more tougher for the pride of Greystones in the last few months, will be something that he can take great comfort with.

    I have every confidence that Paul can secure his full European Tour playing rights this week in Lumine, as he returns to Q-School for the first time since 2015. He is a wonderfully gifted player, he will get his game back, I have no doubt about that. If he doesn't secure the one of the 25 Tour cards that are available in Lumine, he will get between 18 to 20 starts or more in 2020, due to his conditional status by finishing between 116 to 132 in this year's Race to Dubai Rankings. Fingers crossed for him and the rest of the Irish competing in the 108 hole, 6 round marathon, which starts on this Friday.

    https://www.irishgolfdesk.com/news-files/2019/11/12/lowry-on-dunne-once-paul-gets-out-the-other-side-he-will-be-a-stronger-person-and-better-player


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    He has withdrawn from Q school due to wrist injury


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  • Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭mighty magpie


    So no card for next year but 18-20 ET starts to try to finish in top 115 of r2d to secure card again for 2021?
    Imagine he'll enter qualifying for US open and open too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Dbu


    So no card for next year but 18-20 ET starts to try to finish in top 115 of r2d to secure card again for 2021?
    Imagine he'll enter qualifying for US open and open too.

    So from this Im presuming, he didnt really have to attend tour school if he is guaranteed that many starts next year?
    Also his sponsors are a fairly powerful unit so he may pick up more invites?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Well he's not a full member of the tour so I assume he can't compete in the R2D sweetener and he'll probably be bottom of the list for Rolex events and these are the big tournaments with big money and big points on offer...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    slave1 wrote: »
    Well he's not a full member of the tour so I assume he can't compete in the R2D sweetener and he'll probably be bottom of the list for Rolex events and these are the big tournaments with big money and big points on offer...

    much like Moynihan this year, he'll get into the odd Rolex tournament which will obviously include the Irish Open. He'll have to scrap his way from China to Morocco to get his card back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    I've heard he has been having trouble with the wrist for awhile now, hopefully he will be able to get something done with it before next season


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭Trampas


    He’ll be clocking up the air miles.

    New season starts in 2 weeks.

    Usually find these people need a quick start to their season as slow starts seems to create more pressure and struggle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,776 ✭✭✭abff


    Trampas wrote: »
    He’ll be clocking up the air miles.

    New season starts in 2 weeks.

    Usually find these people need a quick start to their season as slow starts seems to create more pressure and struggle

    If the problem with his wrist is bad enough to prevent him from taking part in Q school, he may need an extended break to recover.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    If he's had an injury that was bad enough to impact his playing then surely he would have contacted the tour for medical exemption


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    slave1 wrote: »
    If he's had an injury that was bad enough to impact his playing then surely he would have contacted the tour for medical exemption
    I'll preface this by saying I don't know the rules on medical exemptions, but I would imagine it would have to prevent you from playing entirely. From the sound of it, it was probably uncomfortable rather than disabling (from a golf point of view) and only lately got to the point where it stopped him from playing. Or possibly just from playing competitively, as in having to rein in his swing to protect it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭Trampas


    slave1 wrote: »
    If he's had an injury that was bad enough to impact his playing then surely he would have contacted the tour for medical exemption

    His medical exemption wouldn’t kick in straight away. Probably should have taken the break a few weeks/months back.

    He’s no card so I guess he’ll have no medical exemption on main tour as he didn’t miss any of last season due to long term injury


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    He is back on tour next week in Austria


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    SeeMoreBut wrote: »
    He is back on tour next week in Austria

    Had completely forgotten about him . He lost his card?


  • Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Remind me


    Austria? That challenge tour?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    Remind me wrote: »
    Austria? That challenge tour?

    Looked it up. Correct. From nearly winning the open as an amatuer. He was a very robotic player and not one to entertain, but hope he gets his tour card back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭paulos53


    The next 2 events in Austria are dual events. They count towards both the European and Challenge Tour rankings.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    Changed his mind on Austria now


  • Registered Users Posts: 278 ✭✭Salvadoor


    -1 (71,70) with the cut at level in the British Masters. Hopefully a better couple of rounds tomorrow and Saturday will get him some cash


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭New Era


    Looks like Paul Dunne who was entered for this week's Portugal Masters and had been given a tee time also, has withdrawn from the tournament sadly. Very sad to see him struggle at this time. He has the game and talent and as the old saying goes, form is temporary, class is permanent.

    In the first tournaments he has played since wrist surgery late last year at the UK swing in the European tour, he has really struggled with his long game and this has contributed to his poor form. Now outside the top 500 in the world rankings, these are worrying times for the pride of Greystones. Here's hoping that he will get his game back in good shape again. He clearly is doing a lot of soul searching at this moment but I certainly won't write him off at all. He is young, fit and talented enough to return back to competing again at the top of the leaderboard in tournaments again. Here's hoping as we need more paddys on tour for sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Is Paul injured or taking a break and restarting next year?


  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Dr Devious


    I truly hope he gets a feckin move on when he does come back, horrendous player to watch, pi55ing about over EVERY single shot, its drives the viewers and his playing partners demented.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭SeeMoreBut


    On the timesheet for Saudi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    SeeMoreBut wrote: »
    On the timesheet for Saudi

    That man needs a result and no one can go after him for playing there

    Believe he bought his parents a massive house and doesnt even have a place of his own

    He didnt exactly make life changing money!


  • Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭hurleronditch


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    That man needs a result and no one can go after him for playing there

    Believe he bought his parents a massive house and doesnt even have a place of his own

    He didnt exactly make life changing money!

    Hes won almost exactly 3 million on tour. Whilst there are huge costs to touring, even looking at half that as "take home" money is life changing to 99.99% of the population


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Hes won almost exactly 3 million on tour. Whilst there are huge costs to touring, even looking at half that as "take home" money is life changing to 99.99% of the population

    And he pays half of that in tax

    I played with someone who claimed to be a school friend who says after buying the new family home there wasn’t much left

    Sounds reasonable


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  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭tropics001


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    And he pays half of that in tax

    I played with someone who claimed to be a school friend who says after buying the new family home there wasn’t much left

    Sounds reasonable

    i'd believe it. half in tax and another chunk in expenses would not leave a lot.


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