What happens when we die?

growleaves · 02-01-2021 1:57am

o1s1n wrote: »

Facts would change. (You'd think by now of all the billions of people who lived before us, at least one of them might have said hello)

But some people have 'said hello'. I've read accounts of it.

In practice any communication from the dead is interpreted as a delusion/hallucination/hoax etc. It is inherently discounted by people who have decided in advance that anything spiritual is not real.

Lots of people could witness a miracle personally and they would go to their doctor and ask for a prescription for anti-psychotics.

o1s1n · 02-01-2021 2:02am

growleaves wrote: »

But some people have 'said hello'. I've read accounts of it.

In practice any communication from the dead is interpreted as a delusion/hallucination/hoax etc. It is inherently discounted by people who have decided in advance that anything spiritual is not real.

Lots of people could witness a miracle personally and they would go to their doctor and ask for a prescription for anti-psychotics.

I've read accounts of fairies dancing at the ends of gardens, it doesn't make it real

I get what you're saying, I suppose my point being that If the afterlife were real and the dead actually could say hello, then we'd have millions and potentially billions of documented cases of this happening. Actual physically recorded cases on video, in photographs, on tape etc.Makes me wonder why the dead aren't conversing with me daily.

As I always bring up in these instances, the James Randi 1 million dollar prize to prove the paranormal exists went completely unclaimed in all the years it was available.

AllForIt · 02-01-2021 2:08am

Car99 wrote: »

Eventually the human plague on earth will die out and if there is anything left life and evolution will go on without human interference.

This is nonsense. Human life is as much a part of life as frog spawn. I don't know why anyone would think human life is something separate from all other life on earth.

If humans destroyed life on earth, say though nuclear war or by some other means, that mean life destroyed itself.

growleaves · 02-01-2021 2:11am

o1s1n wrote: »

I've read accounts of fairies dancing at the ends of gardens, it doesn't make it real

I get what you're saying, I suppose my point being that If the afterlife were real and the dead actually could say hello, then we'd have millions and potentially billions of documented cases of this happening. Actual physically recorded cases on video, in photographs, on tape etc.Makes me wonder why the dead aren't conversing with me daily.

As I always bring up in these instances, the James Randi 1 million dollar prize to prove the paranormal exists went completely unclaimed in all the years it was available.

I don't know too much about Randi but I'm guessing he's using materialist assumptions. I don't think we can expect the dead to shoot a music video for us.

Life is about living so I'm not seeking out the dead all the time. I've met dead people in my dreams. But again if we say that dreams are not real - just psychological processing - then our assumptions have ruled another piece of evidence as inadmissible.

Ultimately our fundamental prior assumptions about the nature of reality decides for us what counts as evidence and what doesn't. So you are actually making the decision about what is true before you've heard the evidence, effectively.

Anyway I'll leave it there. Goodnight.

02-01-2021 2:23am

dr eben alexander. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhah5WdWRCk
dr jill bolte taylor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU
worlds largest study on brain activity finds activity continues beyond clinical deth. dr parnia.

non-local consciousness is to be considered a serious possibility.

I actually died and came back myself, just after princes creep solo at cochela.

fryup · 02-01-2021 11:13am

I have it on good authority that this is what happens when you snuff it...

Everything turns to white, you're dressed in white, you find yourself in an elevator lit in white light....you travel upwards for about a minute and *bing* you reach the top floor i.e. Heaven.

The elevator doors slide open and you are met by a famous celebrity like Bob Marley for instance who then proceeds to show you around the place, he shows you your sleeping quarters, the washroom, cooking facilities etc

He then shows you the main dining area which is like one big gigantic canteen there you'll will see other celebrities hanging out havin a laugh, playing cards shooting pool etc

So basically Heaven is like one massive YMCA hostel, nothing to get too excited about....oh and btw if you're sleeping in a bunk bed make sure you choose the bottom one cause its a pain climbing down everytime you want to go to the loo.

Humberto Salazar · 02-01-2021 11:53am

I'll not go into a long opinion on this, but simply ask why are we here, go through all the drama of life, at a certain specific time in history, and then die to go to nothing?

begbysback · 02-01-2021 11:57am

Green Mile wrote: »

Just like there is nothing before you are born, the same is for when you die.

So in the beginning there was nothing, then there was something, then nothing again, so something is again possible, therefore not nothing.

the beer revolu · 02-01-2021 12:17pm

I do not accept that I can just choose to believe or not.
My belief or lack of it is a product of every experience of my life. I can't just choose to believe or not believe in the way that I can choose to sit or stand.

The_Brood · 02-01-2021 12:23pm

The poll results go along way in explaining why society is more divided (though pretty unanimous on this issue it seems), selfish, and hostile toward one another than ever.

If one truly and honestly believes everyone is on one, eternal journey together, that plants the seeds for a much greater harmony and altruism.

myshirt · 02-01-2021 12:37pm

Frederick emails to say he has 4 children, he's the proud father of a new baby boy, and his daughter Susan (5) has just started school. He just bought a new house with a view of the sea, and enjoys walks in the evening, and after death Frederick believes there is Nothing.

The Tetrarch · 02-01-2021 2:28pm

When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best
When I lay me down to die
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky

Government buildings · 02-01-2021 7:22pm

As the Lord says "Thou art dust, and onto dust thou shalt return".

Humberto Salazar · 02-01-2021 7:24pm

Sierra Necroma wrote: »

Because that's just the way life is. We are the result of atoms bouncing around until life was made theough the process of evolution. So yes, we more than likely go to nothing just like we were nothing before we were born.

That reasoning assaults my value of logic. There must be more. I believe there is.

saabsaab · 02-01-2021 9:01pm

Our perceived Universe came from something or nothing. Unless you can accept that the default is not nothingness but somethingness.

fryup · 02-01-2021 10:50pm

Heaven sounds like my idea of hell....think about it... surrounded by do gooders like Cliff Richard, Alan Titchmarsh, Mary Whitehouse etc like one big episode of Songs of Praise that never ends aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! :eek:

funkey_monkey · 02-01-2021 10:57pm

If we can't acknowledge/identity what we were before we were born into this world why would there be something that we would be aware/conscious of afterwards?

JasonStatham · 02-01-2021 11:42pm

Are there people trying to cryogenically freeze their body or their brain?

Could people clone themselves before they die? Imagine that... like telling yourself you're gonna have to do life again...but here's all my experience so do it better.

Valresnick · 02-01-2021 11:47pm

JasonStatham wrote: »

Are there people trying to cryogenically freeze their body or their brain?

Could people clone themselves before they die? Imagine that... like telling yourself you're gonna have to do life again...but here's all my experience so do it better.

The way the world is going you could be freezing yourself to wake up in hell. In answer to the OP’s post. I’m tired, the world today is awful, I hope when I go it’s just black and there is no more. If there is a heaven it’s probably a corrupt polluted kip by now. Humans are a failed species.

Strumms · 02-01-2021 11:58pm

Government buildings wrote: »

No one can prove there is an afterlife.
No one can prove there isn't an afterlife.

And nobody ever will prove it. Nobody has ever survived death.

fryup · 03-01-2021 1:13pm

Strumms wrote: »

And nobody ever will prove it. Nobody has ever survived death.

how about J.C. ?

8kczg9v0swrydm · 04-01-2021 10:03pm

How about this:

When you die you will be judged as you are found. You will be judged by a God who created you and loves you, while at the same time expects you to live in a certain way - a way that is fitting to the fact that you are His creation, to being a rational creature.

Most people have circa 70 years, although this is not set in stone (for all we know, this could be our last few minutes on earth). During your lifetime, using the light of reason which has been given to you, you should be able to figure out a few basic things. You should not do onto others as you would not have them do onto you. You should give each one his due. This will set you on a path of being an objectively good person - living an objective moral code which most certainly exists (basically, you cannot make up your own morality as you go along).

If you are an atheist or agnostic, you have an absolute duty to seriously investigate the existence of God. You have to satisfy your reason that your position is correct. Why? Because if you are wrong, you will stand before the judgment seat of a God whom you have denied for your entire existence. You would not have had the benefit of His teaching and His forgiveness during your lifetime.

Ever hear of Pascal's Wager? Basically, if you ignore God and God exists, you will lose everything. If you seek faith and receive it, live a good life and die, you will gain eternal life with Him. And if He does not exist, but you lived as if He did, you will lose nothing.

To get back to final judgement - you can be sure that you will be judged justly, because God is an omnipresent Being. He will know every thought, desire, act etc of your lifetime. You will not be judged unjustly.

You will end up in one of two places - Heaven or Hell. Heaven is where you will receive your eternal reward and eternal rest from all suffering, where you will see God as He really is.

Hell is where you will be eternally separated from Him. By all accounts it is not a pleasant place. "Abandon all hope ye who enter here", as Dante put it.

This is just a quick theology 101. Here is some more reading if you are interested: https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm

I hope to see all you folks in Heaven!

upupup · 04-01-2021 11:05pm

Damian Small Scallop wrote: »

How about this:

When you die you will be judged as you are found. You will be judged by a God who created you and loves you, while at the same time expects you to live in a certain way - a way that is fitting to the fact that you are His creation, to being a rational creature.

Most people have circa 70 years, although this is not set in stone (for all we know, this could be our last few minutes on earth). During your lifetime, using the light of reason which has been given to you, you should be able to figure out a few basic things. You should not do onto others as you would not have them do onto you. You should give each one his due. This will set you on a path of being an objectively good person - living an objective moral code which most certainly exists (basically, you cannot make up your own morality as you go along).

If you are an atheist or agnostic, you have an absolute duty to seriously investigate the existence of God. You have to satisfy your reason that your position is correct. Why? Because if you are wrong, you will stand before the judgment seat of a God whom you have denied for your entire existence. You would not have had the benefit of His teaching and His forgiveness during your lifetime.

Ever hear of Pascal's Wager? Basically, in a hypothetical scenario, if you ignore God and God exists, you will lose everything. If you seek faith and receive it, live a good life and die, you will gain eternal life with Him. And if He does not exist, but you lived as if He did, you will lose nothing.

To get back to final judgement - you can be sure that you will be judged justly, because God is an omnipresent Being. He will know every thought, desire, act etc of your lifetime. You will not be judged unjustly.

You will end up in one of two places - Heaven or Hell. Heaven is where you will receive your eternal reward and eternal rest from all suffering, where you will see God as He really is.

Hell is where you will be eternally separated from Him. By all accounts it is not a pleasant place. "Abandon all hope ye who enter here", as Dante put it.

This is just a quick theology 101. I hope to see all you folks in Heaven!

That's the concept of god created by the human mind.Our minds are not capable of understanding what god is.it is like a banana trying to understand quantum mechanics.The idea that god is an old man in heaven that judges was created by simple and inferior minds.
God is a lot more complex than that and is probably not an individual but a conglomerate of consciousness spread out across the universe that it created 13 billions years ago.What it did before that is another question.
So when we die we go back to being that force that many call god and if you want to judge yourself and put yourself in heaven or hell then that is your choice but I will be doing a lot more than that when I become god again:)

olestoepoke · 04-01-2021 11:08pm

Damian Small Scallop wrote: »

How about this:

When you die you will be judged as you are found. You will be judged by a God who created you and loves you, while at the same time expects you to live in a certain way - a way that is fitting to the fact that you are His creation, to being a rational creature.

Most people have circa 70 years, although this is not set in stone (for all we know, this could be our last few minutes on earth). During your lifetime, using the light of reason which has been given to you, you should be able to figure out a few basic things. You should not do onto others as you would not have them do onto you. You should give each one his due. This will set you on a path of being an objectively good person - living an objective moral code which most certainly exists (basically, you cannot make up your own morality as you go along).

If you are an atheist or agnostic, you have an absolute duty to seriously investigate the existence of God. You have to satisfy your reason that your position is correct. Why? Because if you are wrong, you will stand before the judgment seat of a God whom you have denied for your entire existence. You would not have had the benefit of His teaching and His forgiveness during your lifetime.

Ever hear of Pascal's Wager? Basically, if you ignore God and God exists, you will lose everything. If you seek faith and receive it, live a good life and die, you will gain eternal life with Him. And if He does not exist, but you lived as if He did, you will lose nothing.

To get back to final judgement - you can be sure that you will be judged justly, because God is an omnipresent Being. He will know every thought, desire, act etc of your lifetime. You will not be judged unjustly.

You will end up in one of two places - Heaven or Hell. Heaven is where you will receive your eternal reward and eternal rest from all suffering, where you will see God as He really is.

Hell is where you will be eternally separated from Him. By all accounts it is not a pleasant place. "Abandon all hope ye who enter here", as Dante put it.

This is just a quick theology 101. Here is some more reading if you are interested: https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a12.htm

I hope to see all you folks in Heaven!

Ok I'm in, so which one should I look for? Odin? Mohammed? Jesus or one of the other hundreds ones?

AllForIt · 05-01-2021 12:12am

Damian Small Scallop wrote: »

How about this:

When you die you will be judged as you are found. You will be judged by a God who created you and loves you,

Love = no judging.

Didn't read the rest. Stopped there.

Montage of Feck · 05-01-2021 12:20am

Hopefully it's just like going to sleep, total oblivion. The idea of an afterlife gives me the creeps, something akin to waking up only to find yourself hooked up to the matrix I'd imagine.

05-01-2021 12:21am

****ing hell, read the first 2 pages and can't help thinking, we really do place too much value on what society expects us to be and live our lives to conform to that.

What an absolute waste of time. 9-5 work for 50 years is a serious horror show.

gozunda · 05-01-2021 12:24am

Just going to compost and be food for worms. So yeah rebirth in a way I suppose - circle of life and all that. The carbon that was formed by the imploding stars of the cosmos will get recycled yet once again...

SouthWesterly · 05-01-2021 12:27am

AllForIt wrote: »

Love = no judging.

Didn't read the rest. Stopped there.

Don't know if you have kids.
Will assume you do.

Will also assume you love them.

What do you do when they disobey you and rebel against your love in trying to correct them and steer them in the right way of living?

Im sure you come to a judgement and a response. Tell me you don't love them in doing it.

AndrewJRenko · 05-01-2021 12:32am

Damian Small Scallop wrote: »

How about this:

When you die you will be judged as you are found. You will be judged by a God who created you and loves you, while at the same time expects you to live in a certain way - a way that is fitting to the fact that you are His creation, to being a rational creature.

Most people have circa 70 years, although this is not set in stone (for all we know, this could be our last few minutes on earth). During your lifetime, using the light of reason which has been given to you, you should be able to figure out a few basic things. You should not do onto others as you would not have them do onto you. You should give each one his due. This will set you on a path of being an objectively good person - living an objective moral code which most certainly exists (basically, you cannot make up your own morality as you go along).

If you are an atheist or agnostic, you have an absolute duty to seriously investigate the existence of God. You have to satisfy your reason that your position is correct. Why? Because if you are wrong, you will stand before the judgment seat of a God whom you have denied for your entire existence. You would not have had the benefit of His teaching and His forgiveness during your lifetime.

Is God really that needy, that the judgement is not so much about how you lived and what good you did, but more about whether you acknowledged his existence or not?

So if you did really dreadful things, abusing and harming children, but then begged for forgiveness, you're laughing for eternity.

But if you did great things for other people, and cured the childhood cancers that God imposed on this world, just for laughs apparently, but don't acknowledge his existence, you're condemned to hell for eternity.

Doesn't really seem just or fair?

SouthWesterly · 05-01-2021 12:44am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Is God really that needy, that the judgement is not so much about how you lived and what good you did, but more about whether you acknowledged his existence or not?

So if you did really dreadful things, abusing and harming children, but then begged for forgiveness, you're laughing for eternity.

But if you did great things for other people, and cured the childhood cancers that God imposed on this world, just for laughs apparently, but don't acknowledge his existence, you're condemned to hell for eternity.

Doesn't really seem just or fair?

God's only going to ask one question.
What did you do with His Son? Did you believe in Him? Did you live in the forgiveness He died to give?

Pcgamer · 05-01-2021 12:47am

If I have a few weeks to live I want to be quickly frozen.

In the future they may have a cure and something that stops aging.

AndrewJRenko · 05-01-2021 12:58am

SouthWesterly wrote: »

God's only going to ask one question.
What did you do with His Son? Did you believe in Him? Did you live in the forgiveness He died to give?

So curing cancer or generally being good and kind to other people doesn't matter at all then?

Does it not seem a bit needy to you?

Pcgamer · 05-01-2021 1:01am

SouthWesterly wrote: »

God's only going to ask one question.
What did you do with His Son? Did you believe in Him? Did you live in the forgiveness He died to give?

Why does he give kids cancer and let them burn alive in house fires?

maccored · 05-01-2021 1:04am

whats the point in wondering? We all going to die regardless. some people think theres god and heaven etc, some people thing theres nothing at all. I think god and heaven is a bit simplified because if there is more to death than nothing, then it had better be something decent.

Everyone has their own viewpoint, and from this side of the big pearly gates, everyone's viewpoint is as good as anyone elses. thats why it makes me ask 'whats the point in wondering?'

the_syco · 05-01-2021 1:20am

Damian Small Scallop wrote: »

Ever hear of Pascal's Wager? Basically, if you ignore God and God exists, you will lose everything. If you seek faith and receive it, live a good life and die, you will gain eternal life with Him. And if He does not exist, but you lived as if He did, you will lose nothing.

I don't seek faith. If the god exists, I win. If it doesn't exist, I still win.

I find it humorous that you believe god to be a "him".

the_syco · 05-01-2021 1:21am

fryup wrote: »

how about J.C. ?

Did he return from he dead, and live a long life?

SouthWesterly · 05-01-2021 1:29am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So curing cancer or generally being good and kind to other people doesn't matter at all then?

Does it not seem a bit needy to you?

If they were enough to get into heaven, Jesus wouldn't have had to die on a cross.

SouthWesterly · 05-01-2021 1:32am

Pcgamer wrote: »

Why does he give kids cancer and let them burn alive in house fires?

There you go assuming God gives kids cancer.

Kids aren't special in that regard.

He doesn't give anyone cancer or let people burn alive in fires.

Why have men and women died at the hands of their persecutors for their belief in God? Many of them on a pile of wood.

the_syco · 05-01-2021 2:27am

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Why have men and women died at the hands of their persecutors for their belief in God? Many of them on a pile of wood.

And many more who believed in god tossed people into lakes to see if they'd float...

Strumms · 05-01-2021 3:06am

I’d like to be reincarnated.

Heaven, from what we know or from what we are told, doesn’t seem like much craic...doesn’t look like much craic...

bigroad · 05-01-2021 3:15am

You go asleep when you die.
If you were a good person in your life you have good dreams if you were bad you have bad dreams.

SouthWesterly · 05-01-2021 9:39am

the_syco wrote: »

And many more who believed in god tossed people into lakes to see if they'd float...

You're assuming in believe that they were Christians who did this

I can call myself '' whatever''. It doesn't mean I am.

begbysback · 05-01-2021 10:09am

SouthWesterly wrote: »

God's only going to ask one question.
What did you do with His Son? Did you believe in Him? Did you live in the forgiveness He died to give?

That’s three questions.

05-01-2021 10:24am

SouthWesterly wrote: »

I can call myself '' whatever''. It doesn't mean I am.

I can call myself the son of god
Doesn't mean I am.

olestoepoke · 05-01-2021 11:14am

For people here advocating living your life according to the Bible, have you actually read all of it? That book is insane, I know the koran gets all the bad publicity but that other book is insane, it has it all from incest to beastiality. Take the story of lot for instance theres a passage in it where he was hiding some guy and people knocked on his door looking for him to sodimise him amd lot offered his daughters instead and worse told them he could do whatever he liked with them, that s just one example of a long list of absolutely craziness thats in an archaic book written by over 100 people edited throughout history, Ill tell you what I believe I believe that all Religion is mental illness. You can point out these crazy passages all day long to a religious person amd its like having a conversation with a cat, you'll get nowhere.

upupup · 05-01-2021 11:23am

The belief in an after life is a great thing to ponder.

The belief in god is a very different thing and tends to upset believers and non believers as you can see here in this thread.An interesting thread but introduce god and things go a bit nuts.

SouthWesterly · 05-01-2021 11:41am

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

I can call myself the son of god
Doesn't mean I am.

Glad you get my point. Let me see the life lived and I'll tell you if your claim is true!

SouthWesterly · 05-01-2021 11:42am

begbysback wrote: »

That’s three questions.

There were more sub points.

begbysback · 05-01-2021 12:04pm

SouthWesterly wrote: »

There were more sub points.

Sub points with question marks at the end?

What happens when we die?

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