Milking machine wash routine

Greengrass1 · 29-05-2015 6:46pm #1

Finally have hot water in dairy. Yes I know quite unbelievable.
current tbc at 4 but all we usually do is just a detergent in parlour fresh in morning reused that evening and thrown out.

What's your routine for milking machine washing. Hot wash, acid and descale etc

td5man · 29-05-2015 6:48pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Finally have hot water in dairy. Yes I know quite unbelievable.
current tbc at 4 but all we usually do is just a detergent in parlour fresh in morning reused that evening and thrown out.

What's your routine for milking machine washing. Hot wash, acid and descale etc

Hot wash every 2nd day . Tbc 5

whelan2 · 29-05-2015 6:51pm

td5man wrote: »

Hot wash every 2nd day . Tbc 5

same milk tank washed on the other day, milk collected around 4 am

johnny122 · 29-05-2015 7:04pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Finally have hot water in dairy. Yes I know quite unbelievable.
current tbc at 4 but all we usually do is just a detergent in parlour fresh in morning reused that evening and thrown out.

What's your routine for milking machine washing. Hot wash, acid and descale etc

No hot water here tbc 7 hot wash 3times a yr

Greengrass1 · 29-05-2015 7:29pm

johnny122 wrote: »

No hot water here tbc 7 hot wash 3times a yr

I've bey you there my machine has never had a hot wash. Get spikes in tbc alright but it's usually bulk tank related

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-05-2015 8:21pm

Hot wash every third day, wash used twice when cold(3 washes per change).

New cold detergent wash on the 4th milking and again used 3 times.

Hot acid wash once a week with a hot detergent wash straight after.

Plenty of rinse water to clear the milk out of the lines and all run to waste before the detergent sucked up and the same to rinse the detergent out.

TBC 5 Thermoduric 85.

If it rises then hot wash for 3 days to sort it out, normally after relief milking:(

Bullocks · 29-05-2015 8:31pm

We used to hot wash after morning milking every day and lobbed in hydrosan or something like that every second day . Tank was washed after emptying every second day .
Would many of ye not have hot water in parlour

Dawggone · 29-05-2015 8:37pm

Hot wash twice/day, everyday, 365.

Tbc average 5k.

I wouldn't care to be milking in -10degrees without hot water.

trixi2011 · 29-05-2015 8:38pm

We have a Delaval auto wash system hot wash every milking. Not a fan of the system and it gives bother every few months, tbc 20 but spikes up and down ,

Timmaay · 29-05-2015 8:46pm

Auto washer here set to hot wash every morning, and can't be changed, have a diversion manual valve to do it with cold most the time, change back twice a week. The irony of this I know ha, but it's the simplest solution and saves a lot of hot water.

whelan2 · 29-05-2015 8:50pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Auto washer here set to hot wash every morning, and can't be changed, have a diversion manual valve to do it with cold most the time, change back twice a week. The irony of this I know ha, but it's the simplest solution and saves a lot of hot water.

will the water still be hot enough to wash the bulk tank?

Timmaay · 29-05-2015 9:00pm

whelan2 wrote: »

will the water still be hot enough to wash the bulk tank?

Good question, I've never checked

. But anyways it's a 300l water heater with 2 elements, and milk man always collects at 3 or 4am, so almost a day to reheat. However I wouldn't want to be washing the milking machine with hot water the morning after the bulk tank washed?

Sam Kade · 29-05-2015 9:07pm

One hot wash a week here descale once a month tbc stays at 4

whelan2 · 29-05-2015 9:11pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Good question, I've never checked . But anyways it's a 300l water heater with 2 elements, and milk man always collects at 3 or 4am, so almost a day to reheat. However I wouldn't want to be washing the milking machine with hot water the morning after the bulk tank washed?

tank will tell you if water isnt hot enough, will come up with an error code, had to put my heater on longer so water would be hot enough for tank

orm0nd · 29-05-2015 9:28pm

hot wash once every 3 weeks with descale

change acid every 8 milkings

tbc average 7

Timmaay · 29-05-2015 9:30pm

whelan2 wrote: »

tank will tell you if water isnt hot enough, will come up with an error code, had to put my heater on longer so water would be hot enough for tank

Fairly sure mine had no temp sensor. Some else with a darakool might confirm this? Did I mention the tank was cheap ha.

IH784man · 29-05-2015 9:46pm

What's a tbc?

Sam Kade · 29-05-2015 9:48pm

whelan2 wrote: »

tank will tell you if water isnt hot enough, will come up with an error code, had to put my heater on longer so water would be hot enough for tank

I went out today the bulk tank wash pump was still running even though the wash cycle had finished

It was red hot even though the wash finished 10 minutes before.

Sam Kade · 29-05-2015 9:48pm

IH784man wrote: »

What's a tbc?

Total bacterial count

Cow Porter · 30-05-2015 9:45am

auto washer, hot wash in am, does 2 alkaline and 1 acid.

tbc now 3 to 5 rises in winter as collection is every 3 or even 4 days (they seem to take it on 3 day old milk!!)

anyone with meters / indicators need to make sure they wash correctly. for those of ye limiting the hot water, would rubbers last shorter as yer using more acid??

frazzledhome · 30-05-2015 9:51am

Hot wash every milking with Quantum Gold from FIL. Rinse out milk wash drain, no rinse required Pre milking.

Tank hot every collection descale every Monday. Machine descale every Mon

Wildsurfer · 30-05-2015 9:54am

Timmaay wrote: »

Auto washer here set to hot wash every morning, and can't be changed, have a diversion manual valve to do it with cold most the time, change back twice a week. The irony of this I know ha, but it's the simplest solution and saves a lot of hot water.

What make is the Autowasher.... Hard to believe that it can't be reprogrammed to do a hot wash every second day?

Sam Kade · 30-05-2015 9:56am

frazzledhome wrote: »

Hot wash every milking with Quantum Gold from FIL. Rinse out milk wash drain, no rinse required Pre milking.

Tank hot every collection descale every Monday. Machine descale every Mon

Would you give the tank a wash with your usual detergent after using descaler?

Greengrass1 · 30-05-2015 11:15am

Sam Kade wrote: »

Would you give the tank a wash with your usual detergent after using descaler?

New tank hete takes its own water and detergent I do nothing with it.
rinses out after collection with cold water. Warms itself up then with warm water the hot wash with detergent and acid every 4th collection and rinses then with warm water

trixi2011 · 30-05-2015 11:19am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

New tank hete takes its own water and detergent I do nothing with it.
rinses out after collection with cold water. Warms itself up then with warm water the hot wash with detergent and acid every 4th collection and rinses then with warm water

So do you just rinse it out for 3 collections ?

whelan2 · 30-05-2015 11:21am

trixi2011 wrote: »

So do you just rinse it out for 3 collections ?

i assume its the same as mine, its a full wash programme after everry collection, rinse, cold wash, hot wash, cold rinse, takes about an hour. It is also programmed to to descale every 4th wash and normal detergent on other washes

Timmaay · 30-05-2015 11:26am

Wildsurfer wrote: »

What make is the Autowasher.... Hard to believe that it can't be reprogrammed to do a hot wash every second day?

Gascoigne/boumatic. Agreed, it's about 2 lines of code to change it and update the firmware. But still, flicking the lever every 2nd day isn't the end of the world and a reasonable work around, the auto washer does save a tidy amount of time every day so is still well worth it.

Greengrass1 · 30-05-2015 11:43am

whelan2 wrote: »

i assume its the same as mine, its a full wash programme after everry collection, rinse, cold wash, hot wash, cold rinse, takes about an hour. It is also programmed to to descale every 4th wash and normal detergent on other washes

Yeah very same as yours whelan. Washed after every collection

whelan2 · 30-05-2015 12:16pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yeah very same as yours whelan. Washed after every collection

When we are on every day collection I only wash it every other day

stretch film · 30-05-2015 12:40pm

Delaval auto wash here .using less water and detergent per unit than old machine . One in four washes a hot wash. Descale once a week otherwise thermos creep up.
No tbc over 10 since new system began 2 yrs ago

Tim does your auto wash refuse to wash with cold or does it just flash an alarm when cold used .

Timmaay · 30-05-2015 12:50pm

Nay I can flick the lever to change between hot or cold with zero issues with the Autowasher, the only minor hassle is keeping track of it ha.

Sam Kade · 30-05-2015 1:00pm

whelan2 wrote: »

i assume its the same as mine, its a full wash programme after everry collection, rinse, cold wash, hot wash, cold rinse, takes about an hour. It is also programmed to to descale every 4th wash and normal detergent on other washes

My tank rinses with hot water, surely it should be rinsing with cold water? It takes 20 minutes for complete cycle.

trixi2011 · 30-05-2015 1:09pm

whelan2 wrote: »

When we are on every day collection I only wash it every other day

Does that work well for ya whelan? Milk truck coming late these days having to wait to start milking in the evening was thinking of rinsing with hose every second day

frazzledhome · 30-05-2015 1:12pm

Sam Kade wrote: »

My tank rinses with hot water, surely it should be rinsing with cold water? It takes 20 minutes for complete cycle.

I've our tanks set to rinse with hot water Pre wash and final rinse is cold. Speeds up operation. I gets heat into the SS so wash cycle is really hot

stretch film · 30-05-2015 1:15pm

Sam Kade wrote: »

My tank rinses with hot water, surely it should be rinsing with cold water? It takes 20 minutes for complete cycle.

If it's a pre rinse then its aim is to warm the steel before circulation and keep the temp up on your solution. My second stage pre is warm water.
Lorry man here reckons first rinse should always be cold cos hot will stick a heavy milk residue onto the tank.

Sam Kade · 30-05-2015 1:37pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

I've our tanks set to rinse with hot water Pre wash and final rinse is cold. Speeds up operation. I gets heat into the SS so wash cycle is really hot

stretch film wrote: »

If it's a pre rinse then its aim is to warm the steel before circulation and keep the temp up on your solution. My second stage pre is warm water.
Lorry man here reckons first rinse should always be cold cos hot will stick a heavy milk residue onto the tank.

It's the final rinse that's hot, I'd say it doesn't seem to be taking in any cold water. There's always steam coming out of the tank after washing

whelan2 · 30-05-2015 3:15pm

trixi2011 wrote: »

Does that work well for ya whelan? Milk truck coming late these days having to wait to start milking in the evening was thinking of rinsing with hose every second day

grand so far, was using too much electricity / detergent washing it every day

whelan2 · 30-05-2015 3:16pm

Sam Kade wrote: »

My tank rinses with hot water, surely it should be rinsing with cold water? It takes 20 minutes for complete cycle.

ye final rinse here is cold,

Deepsouthwest · 30-05-2015 7:19pm

Hot wash here every 5 or 6 days, same detergent used until the nxt hot wash, only ever rinse with clean water for evening milking. Tbc normally between 7 and 17, last one was 10. Anything under 50 is good enough for me! Hot water costs a lot of money.

mahoney_j · 30-05-2015 7:31pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Fairly sure mine had no temp sensor. Some else with a darakool might confirm this? Did I mention the tank was cheap ha.

Darikool tank here from crs and water for tank and feeding calves is from heat exchanger which heats water when compressors are cooking milk.water temp on tank for wash is 36/38 degrees.average tbc last year 7 k .

Greengrass1 · 30-05-2015 7:35pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Darikool tank here from crs and water for tank and feeding calves is from heat exchanger which heats water when compressors are cooking milk.water temp on tank for wash is 36/38 degrees.average tbc last year 7 k .

Are those heat exchangers any good?.concept sounds good. Uncle says there a waste of money.
Haven't got heater on timer yet will sort it out next week but water in heater was still hot this morning and tsnk was washed 24 hrs before that. That's effiecent

Timmaay · 30-05-2015 7:40pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Darikool tank here from crs and water for tank and feeding calves is from heat exchanger which heats water when compressors are cooking milk.water temp on tank for wash is 36/38 degrees.average tbc last year 7 k .

I thought he was talking about some sort of inlet hot water temp sensor, tank washes here in the middle of the night so I don't have a clue what temp it hits. I was thinking of feeding the plate cooler water to the water heater, but very limey water here, and I ain't putting afew thousand litres of water through the water treatment system we have when only 300L needed to be treated.

Timmaay · 30-05-2015 7:42pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are those heat exchangers any good?.concept sounds good. Uncle says there a waste of money.
Haven't got heater on timer yet will sort it out next week but water in heater was still hot this morning and tsnk was washed 24 hrs before that. That's effiecent

I thought he meant a plate cooler. If its a bulk tank compressor to water heat exchanger then with a plate cooler its a total waste of time because the plater cooler will have sucked most the heat out of the milk before it hits the tank. A plater cooler exit water to hot water heat exchanger would make sense though.

johnny122 · 30-05-2015 8:17pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are those heat exchangers any good?.concept sounds good. Uncle says there a waste of money.
Haven't got heater on timer yet will sort it out next week but water in heater was still hot this morning and tsnk was washed 24 hrs before that. That's effiecent

Depends on the type of heat recovery system some only take a low % of the heat out others take it all, these ones work very well even with plate coolers

Sam Kade · 30-05-2015 8:46pm

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Hot wash here every 5 or 6 days, same detergent used until the nxt hot wash, only ever rinse with clean water for evening milking. Tbc normally between 7 and 17, last one was 10. Anything under 50 is good enough for me! Hot water costs a lot of money.

You don't rinse detergent out for the morning milking, never heard of that before.

K.G. · 25-02-2020 3:33pm

Decided to bump this up with outlook for moving to chlorine free washing theres mixed results out there.anybody gone chlorine free and what routine is working and what.products

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-02-2020 11:44am

I was talking to the milk tank service man yesterday and he was saying it's going to be hot washes every day. Kerry are recommending detergent lines be changed when changing over to prevent contamination but he reckons a simple wash will do.

Buying detergents last week and the store guy says they haven't done much about changing over yet. He was saying hot washes every days as well and we might have to add a third pump to the tank for peracetic acid rises at the end of the wash.

Lots of different stories out there atm.

We don't have to change over until September or October so I'll be watching what's working or not for other lads until then.

yewtree · 26-02-2020 1:50pm

K.G. wrote: »

Decided to bump this up with outlook for moving to chlorine free washing theres mixed results out there.anybody gone chlorine free and what routine is working and what.products

Chlorine free here the last few years.
the coop have been very anti chlorine for years.
We use osean in the tank its a one for all, both pipes lifting detergent are in the same drum. Its dear but works well. Always hot wash tank.
Use autosan blue in the machine, hot wash every morning, and descale twice a week. Percreatic acid at 2% in final rinse.
Tbc 10-15 last year

GrasstoMilk · 26-02-2020 3:02pm

Chlorine free here with a year or so.
Hot wash every night.
Acid on monday, Wednesday and friday nights
Detergent on Tuesday, thursday, saturday and sunday
Cold wash every morning with paracitic in final wash

Tbc av 11 last year

K.G. · 26-02-2020 3:13pm

They seem to be recommending a routine of 2 hot then acid wash every 3 rd milking but in reality its easier to do hot every morning and acid in the evening as you d be always wondering which night is it and ill see if that works.tbc have always been messy here and chlorine was alwayd the get of jail card when using caustic

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-02-2020 4:18pm

K.G. wrote: »

They seem to be recommending a routine of 2 hot then acid wash every 3 rd milking but in reality its easier to do hot every morning and acid in the evening as you d be always wondering which night is it and ill see if that works.tbc have always been messy here and chlorine was alwayd the get of jail card when using caustic

We always do an acid wash once a week, either Monday or Tuesday, depending on what day the collection is. Always follow an acid wash with a hot caustic wash here and hot caustic every 3 days. If the TBC rises at any stage, we would do a double hot acid, hot caustic for 3 days and back to every 3rd day then. Looks like that will change this year.

TBC 7-15 for most of last year but water heater leaked into the insulation last November so TBC rose for the final month.

The acid wash in the milk tank is now supposed to be every second wash instead of every third that we have atm.

Milking machine wash routine

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