Kiltegan park, rochestown

14-09-2019 11:13pm #1

Hi all

Looking at buying there, is it mainly rented or owner occupied. Also it is a decent place to buy, the close proximity to Douglas is appealing to me

cantalach · 15-09-2019 12:37am

My sister-in-law and her family lived there for 10+ years and were very happy there. Only moved because they needed a bigger house for their family size. It's a nice estate (or "park" as Cork people say, which still cracks me up) and I reckon the houses are mostly owner-occupied.

15-09-2019 9:10am

cantalach wrote: »

My sister-in-law and her family lived there for 10+ years and were very happy there. Only moved because they needed a bigger house for their family size. It's a nice estate (or "park" as Cork people say, which still cracks me up) and I reckon the houses are mostly owner-occupied.

Thanks for that Cantalach.

Looking at buying and its 370k, i was told investors arent interested in those prices as the return isnt as high. I currently live in an estate ('park'

) with a fair few rentals that are not well looked after with 4 cars per house and it isnt ideal

cantalach · 15-09-2019 11:44am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thanks for that Cantalach.

Looking at buying and its 370k, i was told investors arent interested in those prices as the return isnt as high. I currently live in an estate ('park' ) with a fair few rentals that are not well looked after with 4 cars per house and it isnt ideal

Take a drive around the estate at 11pm on a Monday night. That'll give you a fair idea how many are owner occupied.

AugustusMinimus · 15-09-2019 4:15pm

cantalach wrote: »

My sister-in-law and her family lived there for 10+ years and were very happy there. Only moved because they needed a bigger house for their family size. It's a nice estate (or "park" as Cork people say, which still cracks me up) and I reckon the houses are mostly owner-occupied.

I’ve lived in Cork all my life and I don’t think I’ve ever heard that term used for an estate.

corkboy38 · 15-09-2019 4:18pm

There are nicer areas in rochestown for that kind of money. Garryduff/Mount Oval to name two.

15-09-2019 5:10pm

corkboy38 wrote: »

There are nicer areas in rochestown for that kind of money. Garryduff/Mount Oval to name two.

you wont get detached there for that money. Although they are 'link' detached.

Just looking to see if its quiet and decent.

Living in an area where there are loads of people in a few houses and seem to fixing cars constantly and having car wrecks in the drive permanently. That type of situation i want to get away from.

cantalach · 15-09-2019 6:18pm

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I’ve lived in Cork all my life and I don’t think I’ve ever heard that term used for an estate.

We'd never heard it either 'til we moved here. My daughter has now grown up here and she and her pals say stuff like, "does he live in your park?" But it's not an age thing because our neighbours say it too. Maybe it's peculiar to some parts of town? I know a fella who grew up in Fairhill and he never heard it 'til he moved out to Glounthane. As he said one time, "I'm the only one of my neighbours who lives in an estate - they all live in a park."

cantalach · 15-09-2019 6:23pm

corkboy38 wrote: »

There are nicer areas in rochestown for that kind of money. Garryduff/Mount Oval to name two.

Depends on how you define "nicer". Leafier, newer houses? Sure. But a lot of people will put a greater premium on being able to walk to the village and the shopping centres. Or walk home from Barry's, John O's, whatever. Everywhere is a drive from Garryduff and Mount Oval.

dory · 15-09-2019 6:51pm

cantalach wrote: »

Depends on how you define "nicer". Leafier, newer houses? Sure. But a lot of people will put a greater premium on being able to walk to the village and the shopping centres. Or walk home from Barry's, John O's, whatever. Everywhere is a drive from Garryduff and Mount Oval.

Completely agree. I can walk home from all of those places and woudn't trade that for a bigger house in Mount Oval. My friend always has to wait for a bus home from the bus and I can just stroll home.

corkboy38 · 15-09-2019 7:32pm

dory wrote: »

Completely agree. I can walk home from all of those places and woudn't trade that for a bigger house in Mount Oval. My friend always has to wait for a bus home from the bus and I can just stroll home.

I get that but at the same times it's not exactly in the middle of nowhere. I'd be considered "unfit" but id handily walk from mount oval to Douglas village in 25 mins.

There's a lot to be said for peace and quiet and mount oval offers that.

15-09-2019 8:22pm

I agree with walking etc, I would have thought kiltegan would be peaceful enough. Mount oval is just too expensive, you dont get much for under 400k

15-09-2019 9:55pm

Looking at a detached in Lisadell, Maryborough hill for 285k, am i missing something?

corkboy38 · 15-09-2019 9:56pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Looking at a detached in Lisadell, Maryborough hill for 285k, am i missing something?

There's a lot of rental properties on Maryborough hill.

15-09-2019 9:57pm

corkboy38 wrote: »

There's a lot of rental properties on Maryborough hill.

Cheers, probably explains the lower price. Seems cheap for that area

TheChizler · 16-09-2019 8:11am

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I’ve lived in Cork all my life and I don’t think I’ve ever heard that term used for an estate.

Do other people not use it?

Ludo · 16-09-2019 8:20am

TheChizler wrote: »

Do other people not use it?

It does ring a vague bell from years ago alright but can't say I have heard it in a long time. Sounds like something an OAP would say.

the beer revolu · 16-09-2019 10:47am

Lots of roads/estates in Cork are actually called "Parks".
Just look around Ballinlough.
Beechwood Park
Somerton Park
Pic du Jer Park
etc. etc.

17-09-2019 8:43pm

Had a good walk around the estate tonight, its a decent neighbourhood with a massive green area at the back.

Viewed the house too, shocked to see it has single glazed windows so thats a considerable cost to add on

La.m · 18-09-2019 12:16pm

Kiltegan would be good area but I would check to see whether the new plan for upgrading the link to a motorway would affect you as I know a number of residents groups in Rochestown put in objections.

RINO87 · 18-09-2019 12:17pm

I rented a room in the next park over for a while, Delford Drive. I found both Delford and Kiltegan had quite a few people renting, from both chatting to neighbors and seeing the amount of cars in drives and on footpaths etc.... some of the roads were quitw tight and had loads of cars abandoned on footpaths....
No issues with anyone there whatsoever tho, nice people about the place I found.

What would really put me off buying there is the fact that the houses are really on top of each other. For example, from an upstairs window in delford I could see into a load of gardens/back kitchens of the houses around me, over in Kiltegan and vice versa, when you are out in the garden, or on your drive you can feel the eyes on you!!
The asking prices are not justified because of this, in my opinion.

Handy access to the link, but in the other direction traffic in Douglas is a nightmare. That was two years ago, so I can only imagine its worse.

the beer revolu · 18-09-2019 12:58pm

RINO87 wrote: »

What would really put me off buying there is the fact that the houses are really on top of each other. For example, from an upstairs window in delford I could see into a load of gardens/back kitchens of the houses around me, over in Kiltegan and vice versa, when you are out in the garden, or on your drive you can feel the eyes on you!!
The asking prices are not justified because of this, in my opinion..

But it's in Rochestown!
You know, on the Rochestown Road!

run_Forrest_run · 18-09-2019 3:10pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

But it's in Rochestown!
You know, on the Rochestown Road!

18-09-2019 3:34pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

But it's in Rochestown!
You know, on the Rochestown Road!

I would say it's more douglas but who cares. Once it's a decent peaceful estate I dont care

the beer revolu · 18-09-2019 4:56pm

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I would say it's more douglas but who cares. Once it's a decent peaceful estate I dont care

You unlikely to get any hassle in that estate, true.

It's on the Rochestown Road but, yes, it is more Douglas than Rochestown. At one time the Rochestown Road was probably the most desirable address in the South Side. Then they went and built those estates!

I don't buy this idea, though, that rented propertys will have more cars.
Owner occupiers are very likely to have three or four cars in the family. Students need cars now!

20-09-2019 9:54pm

Think I am down to kiltegan or ballinlough

the beer revolu · 21-09-2019 10:20am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Think I am down to kiltegan or ballinlough

Having grown up around Rochestown/Douglas area and gone to school in Ballinlough, I'd choose Ballinlough in a heart beat.

Closer to town, so less car dependent.
Older, more charming layouts, imo.
Way less traffic problems.
Nicer people (crazy generalisation there), less "notions" about the place.

kub · 21-09-2019 10:22am

the beer revolu wrote: »

Nicer people (crazy generalisation there), less "notions" about the place.

You hit the nail on the head there, well done.

21-09-2019 12:02pm

kub wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head there, well done.

Yeah but it's down getting a link detached in rochestown or a semi detached in ballinlough for the same price.

Both have pros and cons

I have a bad experience with an end of terrace where I am at the moment hearing neughbours noise a lot. So do not want to be in that situation again

The ballinlough house is smaller, but it is ready to move into, have a large south facing garden and as you say much better laid out, close to town etc.

The kiltegan one is larger but requires more upgrades, is link detached, has a smaller garden and is south facing but on the other side of douglas

It's really down to link detached or semi detached. How well is the sound insulation in the ballinlough houses, would the sound travel easy?

the beer revolu · 21-09-2019 12:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's really down to link detached or semi detached. How well is the sound insulation in the ballinlough houses, would the sound travel easy?

I know several people who live in Ballinlough, in the typical semis. I've never heard of anyone having a problem with noise.
I've been in many of these houses over the years and I don't ever recall hearing neighbours.

21-09-2019 6:28pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

I know several people who live in Ballinlough, in the typical semis. I've never heard of anyone having a problem with noise.
I've been in many of these houses over the years and I don't ever recall hearing neighbours.

Cheers for the info, just doing the research before I decide where to really go for

the beer revolu · 21-09-2019 7:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Cheers for the info, just doing the research before I decide where to really go for

Just to add that I've never lived in one, myself.

HillFarmer · 22-09-2019 3:16am

I've been looking in Kiltegan park also, be it abroad via google maps.

Location wise, being able to walk in to Douglas for a beer and walk home would be appealing.

Is there likewise in Ballinlough or do you need a bus?
We're coming home in the next year back to Ireland and pretty much are looking in the same areas as yourself.

The developement in Blackrock re docklands may help long term in that area from an investment and also lifestyle perspective.

let us know how you get on, I'd be interested in hearing what decision you come and why.

La.m · 27-09-2019 10:10am

HillFarmer wrote: »

I've been looking in Kiltegan park also, be it abroad via google maps.

Location wise, being able to walk in to Douglas for a beer and walk home would be appealing.

Is there likewise in Ballinlough or do you need a bus?
We're coming home in the next year back to Ireland and pretty much are looking in the same areas as yourself.

There's no real village in Ballinlough like there is in Douglas but there are bars on that road near the church. You'd also be much closer if you wanted to walk into town and you could also walk into Douglas pretty easily from there too.

Word of caution with Ballinlough for anyone buying a house is that subsidence is a major issue in the area. I've known a lot of houses that have had to be underpinned and insurance companies won't cover for that in Ballinlough as it's such a known issue. Just something to ask your surveyor about.

That been said, all being equal I'd probably go for a house in Ballinlough over Kiltegan due to it's proximity to town, closer to well established schools like Eglantine and St Anthony's and the flexibility you have to walk to town or to Douglas.

cantalach · 27-09-2019 1:21pm

La.m wrote: »

There's no real village in Ballinlough like there is in Douglas but there are bars on that road near the church. You'd also be much closer if you wanted to walk into town and you could also walk into Douglas pretty easily from there too.

For sure. Some parts of Ballinlough are closer to Douglas village than Kiltegan. The big difference is that getting to town from anywhere in Ballinlough is much easier becuase you don't have to get through Douglas village. Or walk as you say.

La.m wrote: »

Word of caution with Ballinlough for anyone buying a house is that subsidence is a major issue in the area.

Subsidence is a major issue right across the whole Southside of Cork, and much of the Northside too. I'm not aware of any evidence that it's particularly bad in Ballinlough. You're not thinking of Bishopstown?

La.m wrote: »

I've known a lot of houses that have had to be underpinned and insurance companies won't cover for that in Ballinlough as it's such a known issue. Just something to ask your surveyor about.

In the highly unlikely event that your own surveyor somehow forgets about subsidence, the mortgage lender's surveyor sure as Hell won't

the beer revolu · 27-09-2019 1:27pm

Ballinlough is a subsidence black spot alright but at this stage I'd say almost every house in the area has been underpinned.

27-09-2019 8:09pm

House I was looking at is underpinned. There is no side extension and now to do so will add more than 25% extra sq meterage onto the house and would have you caught with the new regs so you would have to bring the whole house up to a b2. Suddenly the house feels over priced

Kiltegan park, rochestown

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