Rugby World Cup 2019 Japan The hunt for Webb Ellis

Ashleigh1986 · 14-10-2019 6:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If it didn't 'matter' to them, why would they not be waiting to 'repay' us?

Because it was a way over the top celebration on winning a " friendly game ".
Saturday is the true test.
Losing team will go home feeling it's been a disaster of a World Cup .
Winners will go on feeling they can win it outright .

The Lost Sheep · 14-10-2019 6:23pm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

I would say the all blacks can't wait to repay us for the way over top celebration of Ireland beating them in a " friendly ".
In sport ... The true test is when the exact same thing is on the line for both teams or individuals.
The true greats in sport produce it when it really matters.... This Saturday will show us were this Irish rugby team is at.
It's all well and good winning the odd 6 nations but on the world stage it's all about the next 3 games.

that's a load of rubbish. And people need to stop referring to tests as friendlies. It's not funny. Its tiring and not the case and players dont treat them as such
The 6 nations are very important and you cant dismiss them especially not to say the only true test for sides is the world cup.

BonnieSituation · 14-10-2019 6:40pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

that's a load of rubbish. And people need to stop referring to tests as friendlies. It's not funny. Its tiring and not the case and players dont treat them as such
The 6 nations are very important and you cant dismiss them especially not to say the only true test for sides is the world cup.

Thank you! It drives me spare when people refer to Summer and Autumn games as friendlies.

So we'll just refer to the 27 victories that weren't at World Cups as friendlies and not worthy of consideration also. What's good for the goose as they say...

Ashleigh1986 · 14-10-2019 6:51pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

that's a load of rubbish. And people need to stop referring to tests as friendlies. It's not funny. Its tiring and not the case and players dont treat them as such
The 6 nations are very important and you cant dismiss them especially not to say the only true test for sides is the world cup.

Saturday will let us know who has been talking rubbish .

prawnsambo · 14-10-2019 6:56pm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Saturday will let us know who has been talking rubbish .

No. Regardless of the result, your post will still be nonsense.

NeonWolf · 14-10-2019 7:00pm

Basil3 wrote: »

Ah yeah, except that not really true, is it?

If you want to see a high profile oversight, look no further than the final test of the lions series. That decision isn't even up for dispute, whereas a lot of things could be.

If you want to talk tackling, look no further than Owen Farrell. Does what he wants.

The blind spot they have with this is staggering. Second and third Lions test was a referring hatchet job by the Frenchies and they claim NZ have the refs in their pockets. Not to mention 2007 where they didn't get a penalty for the last 60 minutes of the match and Barnes missed a match winning forward pass.

Bridge93 · 14-10-2019 7:06pm

Was the second test a ‘hatchet job’? Are you saying Sonny Bill didn’t deserve to be sent off?

NeonWolf · 14-10-2019 7:26pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

Was the second test a ‘hatchet job’? Are you saying Sonny Bill didn’t deserve to be sent off?

Sinckler jumping into a tackle to milk a penalty on final whistle.
Mako Vunipola escaping a red card for a forearm smash to a prone Beauden Barrett. Garces was two yards away. Can provide a gif if you want.
Sean O Brien concussing Naholo with a swinging arm in a ruck and ending his Lions series after a failed HIA.

SBW red was fine.

FrancieBrady · 14-10-2019 7:28pm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Because it was a way over the top celebration on winning a " friendly game ".
Saturday is the true test.
Losing team will go home feeling it's been a disaster of a World Cup .
Winners will go on feeling they can win it outright .

Yeh...both teams only went into those games halfheartedly.

I guess you didn't watch them so.

p.s. Ireland lost one game to a team that has surprised most people and who have gone on to show they are a match for anyone. Otherwise the tournament has gone exactly to plan and expectation for us.

No disaster...unless of course you are secretly waiting for one.

Bridge93 · 14-10-2019 7:32pm

NeonWolf wrote: »

Sinckler jumping into a tackle to milk a penalty on final whistle.
Mako Vunipola escaping a red card for a forearm smash to a prone Beauden Barrett. Garces was two yards away. Can provide a gif if you want.
Sean O Brien concussing Naholo with a swinging arm in a ruck and ending his Lions series after a failed HIA.

SBW red was fine.

Interesting I barely saw the game was about 3am in Vancouver so hazy enough for me.

Bridge93 · 14-10-2019 7:36pm

Do t really think the All Blacks get a particularly easy time from referees. In such a technical game with so much going on, playing the referee is as much a skill as any other. I don’t recall really seeing incidents that the referee has ignored/bottled purely because it’s the all blacks and they’re intimidated or whatever. It’s the little things they do but any successful team as mastered that. The only games I thought they got an unfair rub of the green were the 2011 final and the 2016 game in Dublin where Peyper allowed MMA to break out

NeonWolf · 14-10-2019 7:40pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

Do t really think the All Blacks get a particularly easy time from referees. In such a technical game with so much going on, playing the referee is as much a skill as any other. I don’t recall really seeing incidents that the referee has ignored/bottled purely because it’s the all blacks and they’re intimidated or whatever. It’s the little things they do but any successful team as mastered that. The only games I thought they got an unfair rub of the green were the 2011 final and the 2016 game in Dublin where Peyper allowed MMA to break out

Didn't card Sexton or give a penalty try for trying to remove Barretts head from his shoulders in the in goal area either as Barrett was in the act of scoring.

Didn't bin Trimble for a deliberate knock on when the last pass would have had nz in under the posts.

People see what they want to see.

irishbucsfan · 14-10-2019 7:47pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

Do t really think the All Blacks get a particularly easy time from referees. In such a technical game with so much going on, playing the referee is as much a skill as any other. I don’t recall really seeing incidents that the referee has ignored/bottled purely because it’s the all blacks and they’re intimidated or whatever. It’s the little things they do but any successful team as mastered that. The only games I thought they got an unfair rub of the green were the 2011 final and the 2016 game in Dublin where Peyper allowed MMA to break out

Yeah I don’t think it’s a coincidence that teams who are dominant tend to be accused of being cheats. Sure the kiwis seemingly call us that a bunch as well. French are convinced we are as well.

Even in 2016, it wasn’t that they got a consistent rub of the green, they just didn’t get the cards they should have for multiple tackles (as the citing commissioner subsequently agreed). Jaysu I hope for all our sakes Peyper is nowhere near this one!

14-10-2019 7:48pm

NeonWolf wrote: »

Didn't card Sexton or give a penalty try for trying to remove Barretts head from his shoulders in the in goal area either as Barrett was in the act of scoring.

Didn't bin Trimble for a deliberate knock on when the last pass would have had nz in under the posts.

People see what they want to see.

The Sexton one hugely annoys me. It's one of those cases where a team scores, so we'll ignore the clear yellow card.

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 8:09pm

lleti wrote: »

Stockdale and Ryan for sure can replace the old guard but I don't think we have a top quality 15 or 2

It's vital Leavy comes back as good as he was too.

Larmour for one at 15, Lowry in Ulster, maybe Carbery depending on how our young 10s progress.

Even with Leavy back we will have VDF and Penney at 7, Doris and Deegan as options for 8, Wycherley at Munster .....

Scannel is only 27-28? I think, so he will make next WC and other young players coming up...

These are just a few players coming up....

jammiedodgers · 14-10-2019 8:20pm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

I would say the all blacks can't wait to repay us for the way over top celebration of Ireland beating them in a " friendly " .
In sport ... The true test is when the exact same thing is on the line for both teams or individuals .
The true greats in sport produce it when it really matters .... This Saturday will show us were this Irish rugby team is at .
It's all well and good winning the odd 6 nations but on the world stage it's all about the next 3 games .

Brilliant, we've actually only lost to New Zealand once ever so going by the logic that "friendlies" don't matter.

Feeling a lot more confident now.

FrancieBrady · 14-10-2019 8:25pm

jammiedodgers wrote: »

Brilliant, we've actually only lost to New Zealand once ever so going by the logic that "friendlies" don't matter.

Feeling a lot more confident now.

I like your thinking!

First Up · 14-10-2019 8:26pm

I wouldn't call any rugby international a friendly but we can assume that New Zealand have been preparing for a World Cup q final for about 3 years and 51 weeks longer than their last match against us.

Dubinusa · 14-10-2019 9:33pm

I think the wimmer will meet England in the sf. Then they will lose. I reckon it will be an England v Boks final.

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 9:36pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

I think the wimmer will meet England in the sf. Then they will lose. I reckon it will be an England v Boks final.

If Ireland gets past a qtr final I think anything could happen, the monkey will be off the teams back....

is_that_so · 14-10-2019 9:40pm

NeonWolf wrote: »

Didn't card Sexton or give a penalty try for trying to remove Barretts head from his shoulders in the in goal area either as Barrett was in the act of scoring.

Didn't bin Trimble for a deliberate knock on when the last pass would have had nz in under the posts.

People see what they want to see.

Indeed they do. Not entirely sure what your angle here is but I'd hazard a guess that it's not a thesis on standards of refereeing in rugby, just that one occasion.

Squidgy Black · 14-10-2019 9:48pm

Sergio Parrisse has said he won't be retiring from international rugby now, likely going to play the 6 Nations next Spring as his final tournament since World Rugby cancelled his planned final game.

The Rape of Lucretia · 14-10-2019 9:57pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If Ireland gets past a qtr final I think anything could happen, the monkey will be off the teams back....

There is no monkey on their backs. They are pros, Stocksie, Ryan, Ringer, etc havent even played a previous world cup.
Its simply a game against the ABs for them. Who they know they can beat. Baggage isnt an issue.

The Rape of Lucretia · 14-10-2019 10:12pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Scannel is only 27-28? I think, so he will make next WC and other young players coming up...

These are just a few players coming up....

Thats a frightfully young age for an up and comeing player to not really be making the breakthrough. Not really the level we are looking for, clearly.

The Rape of Lucretia · 14-10-2019 10:24pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

that's a load of rubbish. And people need to stop referring to tests as friendlies. It's not funny. Its tiring and not the case and players dont treat them as such
.

From the southern hemisphere, coaches certainly do treat them differently, particularly when playing the NH teams in our autumn, and experienced players must a bit too. 'Friendly' smacks of old time soccer intrrnationals, when teams didnt play their first team, but experimented, and developed players.SH teams have done this regularly. And thats not a criticism - tge games just arent as important as tournament ones.
A game between two non full first choices, which for example is what all teams will be fielding for the remainder of the WC, has to count for more than one that doesnt, call it what you like.

c.p.w.g.w · 14-10-2019 10:31pm

Genuine question out of curiosity

If Cian Healy was sent off as a specialist position, would we have been able to replace, him in the squad?

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 10:33pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Genuine question out of curiosity

If Cian Healy was sent off as a specialist position, would we have been able to replace, him in the squad?

No

Shefwedfan · 14-10-2019 10:34pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

There is no monkey on their backs. They are pros, Stocksie, Ryan, Ringer, etc havent even played a previous world cup.
Its simply a game against the ABs for them. Who they know they can beat. Baggage isnt an issue.

Didn’t know you are best mates with the players?

c.p.w.g.w · 14-10-2019 10:35pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No

So we'd only have 1 LH prop, so you could go uncontested scrum at any stage if the starting LH prop gets "injured"

Squidgy Black · 14-10-2019 10:48pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

So we'd only have 1 LH prop, so you could go uncontested scrum at any stage if the starting LH prop gets "injured"

Porter is registered as Loosehead/Tighthead so he would come on and we'd have to scrummage.

You have to have a fully registered front row and bench to be able to play a game. This is to stop the above scenario of tactically taking the scrum out of the picture. The only scenario you can get uncontested scrums in is if both of your registered props for one side of the scrum are injured and unable to return to the field, and the bench player for the other side of the scrum has to come on. So would be like having Kilcoyne start at LH with Porter on the bench, Kilcoyne goes off injured, Porter comes on and goes off for a HIA, and say Ryan has to come on at LH (I know he can cover LH but I'm not sure if he's registered as a loosehead for this tournament so for the sake of argument say he's not).

Naggdefy · 15-10-2019 12:22am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

There is no monkey on their backs. They are pros, Stocksie, Ryan, Ringer, etc havent even played a previous world cup.
Its simply a game against the ABs for them. Who they know they can beat. Baggage isnt an issue.

Very true Rapey.

Dubinusa · 15-10-2019 1:54am

Just watched Japan beat Scotland. Good God, their skill level is way above ours, imo. Japan are a joy to watch. Thoroughly deserve their spot in the qf's.
Watching us play, is like watching paint dry. We're so plodding and slow. With no attacking nous.
It's remarkable.

Boscoirl · 15-10-2019 6:02am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Sergio Parrisse has said he won't be retiring from international rugby now, likely going to play the 6 Nations next Spring as his final tournament since World Rugby cancelled his planned final game.

It gets worse for Italy

pc7 · 15-10-2019 6:04am

Cian Tracey on twitter saying we’ve Nigel as ref

basillarkin · 15-10-2019 6:14am

its on the offical site that owens is reffing

pc7 · 15-10-2019 6:33am

Full line up https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/513574

Ashleigh1986 · 15-10-2019 6:46am

Id rather deal with facts .
This is the 9th rugby World Cup and Ireland have yet to make it past the last 8 in a tournament no matter what way it's dressed up only 8 nations can possibly win it .
We're even behind Scotland in the overall World Cup achievements .
" but we are world number one "
The Irish rugby team peaked at the wrong time .
The English soccer team constantly do it .
Topping their qualifiers but NOT Capable of producing it when it really matters .
After Saturday the armchair pundits will be asking " what went wrong" ?
It's the highest end of sport and you / teams get eventually found out .
If I'm wrong I will admit I was way out ....
But Saturday the Irish rugby media will be exactly like the English soccer media and it was always going to happen.
Ye can quote me on that .

riddles · 15-10-2019 6:52am

Inadequate team selection and prep for the Japan game is the mystery of this World Cup. Losing to the All Blacks even if Ireland were in peak form isn’t really a head scratcher. It’s not making sure you don’t have to play at the point in the tournament you’ve never progressed beyond before, that’s the confusing part.

Exiting at QF stage will now seem as shambolic as 2015.

Shefwedfan · 15-10-2019 7:03am

riddles wrote: »

Inadequate team selection and prep for the Japan game is the mystery of this World Cup. Losing to the All Blacks even if Ireland were in peak form isn’t really a head scratcher. It’s not making sure you don’t have to play at the point in the tournament you’ve never progressed beyond before, that’s the confusing part.

Exiting at QF stage will now seem as shambolic as 2015.

How is it shambolic? Why was 2015 shambolic?

At the start of tournament both SA and NZ where favourites with some having SA ahead of NZ....the Qtr was always going to be our hardest no matter who we came up against. Some people wanted NZ instead of SA because our game suits that challenge better

No idea why it’s now shambolic to play them?

blinding · 15-10-2019 7:20am

C’mon Ireland .

OldRio · 15-10-2019 7:27am

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Id rather deal with facts .
This is the 9th rugby World Cup and Ireland have yet to make it past the last 8 in a tournament no matter what way it's dressed up only 8 nations can possibly win it .
We're even behind Scotland in the overall World Cup achievements .
" but we are world number one "
The Irish rugby team peaked at the wrong time .
The English soccer team constantly do it .
Topping their qualifiers but NOT Capable of producing it when it really matters .
After Saturday the armchair pundits will be asking " what went wrong" ?
It's the highest end of sport and you / teams get eventually found out .
If I'm wrong I will admit I was way out ....
But Saturday the Irish rugby media will be exactly like the English soccer media and it was always going to happen.
Ye can quote me on that .

What utter drivel. My ignore list gets longer.

Podge_irl · 15-10-2019 7:28am

Dubinusa wrote: »

Just watched Japan beat Scotland. Good God, their skill level is way above ours, imo. Japan are a joy to watch. Thoroughly deserve their spot in the qf's.
Watching us play, is like watching paint dry. We're so plodding and slow. With no attacking nous.
It's remarkable.

And yet we beat Scotland far more comfortably while scoring more points.

You would have a hard time guessing that if you didn’t know the score based on the comments here.

The Rape of Lucretia · 15-10-2019 7:46am

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Id rather deal with facts .
This is the 9th rugby World Cup and Ireland have yet to make it past the last 8 in a tournament no matter what way it's dressed up only 8 nations can possibly win it .
We're even behind Scotland in the overall World Cup achievements .
" but we are world number one "
The Irish rugby team peaked at the wrong time .
The English soccer team constantly do it .
Topping their qualifiers but NOT Capable of producing it when it really matters .
After Saturday the armchair pundits will be asking " what went wrong" ?
It's the highest end of sport and you / teams get eventually found out .
If I'm wrong I will admit I was way out ....
But Saturday the Irish rugby media will be exactly like the English soccer media and it was always going to happen.
Ye can quote me on that .

Id rather deal with the relevant facts : this Ireland team has never gone out at the quarter final stage. Fact.

salmocab · 15-10-2019 7:59am

OldRio wrote: »

What utter drivel. My ignore list gets longer.

It’s someone putting themselves in the ridiculous position that if the most likely outcome happens they will come back to lord it over people as if they knew all along.

FrancieBrady · 15-10-2019 8:19am

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Id rather deal with facts .
This is the 9th rugby World Cup and Ireland have yet to make it past the last 8 in a tournament no matter what way it's dressed up only 8 nations can possibly win it .
We're even behind Scotland in the overall World Cup achievements .
" but we are world number one "
The Irish rugby team peaked at the wrong time .
The English soccer team constantly do it .
Topping their qualifiers but NOT Capable of producing it when it really matters .
After Saturday the armchair pundits will be asking " what went wrong" ?
It's the highest end of sport and you / teams get eventually found out .
If I'm wrong I will admit I was way out ....
But Saturday the Irish rugby media will be exactly like the English soccer media and it was always going to happen.
Ye can quote me on that .

I'd truly hate to be one of those people who spends their lives waiting/wanting for others to fail.
It is a peculiar illness to get through life with.

Seriously, you may wish to stop watching sport altogether.

Bob Harris · 15-10-2019 8:32am

Ireland have not had a good year – poor in the 6 nations, not a great warm up, quite average in the tournament itself. On what we’ve seen it’s very hard to make a case for us to beat NZ. I don’t think it’s beyond the bounds of possibility but pretty much everything will have to go our way. When the side hasn’t performed that well all year it’s expecting a lot for it to all come together against the best side in the world.

aloooof · 15-10-2019 9:01am

Bob Harris wrote: »

Ireland have not had a good year – poor in the 6 nations, not a great warm up, quite average in the tournament itself. On what we’ve seen it’s very hard to make a case for us to beat NZ. I don’t think it’s beyond the bounds of possibility but pretty much everything will have to go our way. When the side hasn’t performed that well all year it’s expecting a lot for it to all come together against the best side in the world.

I'm thinking back to 2016, when we had a poor 6 Nations as well. We went on to win our first ever game in SA (with 14 men for the majority of the game) and beat NZ in the Autumn Internationals.

It'll take one hell of a performance (and would undoubtedly be our best ever result), but we've always seemed to bring a performance when we've played NZ under Schmidt.

beggars_bush · 15-10-2019 9:30am

aloooof wrote: »

I'm thinking back to 2016, when we had a poor 6 Nations as well. We went on to win our first ever game in SA (with 14 men for the majority of the game) and beat NZ in the Autumn Internationals.

It'll take one hell of a performance (and would undoubtedly be our best ever result), but we've always seemed to bring a performance when we've played NZ under Schmidt.

do we have the players this time to beat them?

Hurrache · 15-10-2019 9:34am

pc7 wrote: »

Full line up https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/513574

Nic Berry is great, deserves a knock out game, maybe he'll get a semi (ooer) as I expect one of the big boys to get the final.

Scotland themselves are in trouble over their recent remarks re the potential cancellation of their game and are due a hearing with World Rugby over it.

prawnsambo · 15-10-2019 9:38am

beggars_bush wrote: »

do we have the players this time to beat them?

Well this is the team from the Chicago match in 2016.

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Rugby World Cup 2019 Japan The hunt for Webb Ellis

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