Should we re-introduce wolves to Ireland?

nthclare · 01-10-2019 7:39pm

Peter T wrote: »

Id love to see them reintroduced but again we simply don't have the space for them to roam. I live around 70k from killarney national park and we get wild deer out here locally from time to time. Now realistically if you exclude following the mountains all that goes through farm land (beef and sheep). If they want to control deer population they should be offering it as a food source for people to buy.

I remember when seeing a deer herd in Ireland would nearly make headlines, now they're every where.

Dromoland Castle estate is full of deer and they roam all over the place, you'd see them 25 miles away from Dromoland sometimes at night friends of mine in East Clare would see them in their gardens.

Galwayguy35 · 01-10-2019 7:42pm

I remember watching a programme about wolves on the tundra in Alaska, they were able to go for miles on end just looking for food, if that happened here sure they would be half way across Ireland.

When the forests were cut down in the 17th century and a bounty was put on their head the game was up for the wolf unfortunately, very sad end to an animal who survived here for 20 thousand years.

Birdnuts · 01-10-2019 7:47pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I remember watching a programme about wolves on the tundra in Alaska, they were able to go for miles on end just looking for food, if that happened here sure they would be half way across Ireland.

When the forests were cut down in the 17th century and a bounty was put on their head the game was up for the wolf unfortunately, very sad end to an animal who survived here for 20 thousand years.

Yeah - the Cromwellian plantations really put an end to our wonderfull oak woodlands and much of their native wildlife:(

Oops69 · 01-10-2019 7:52pm

Yes , into the Phoenix park, those beloved Deer have the place destroyed and have to be culled regularly , bark eaten off trees and there's very little biodiversity there as they eat all the undergrowth.

Galwayguy35 · 01-10-2019 7:52pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

Yeah - the Cromwellian plantations really put an end to our wonderfull oak woodlands and much of their native wildlife:(

Yep the English used the timber to build their ships if I remember correctly, sure Cromwell viewed the irish themselves as sub human so the native wildlife had no chance of survival.

cnocbui · 01-10-2019 8:01pm

I remember another Green idea that got implemented - Tax the ass off Petrol cars and make diesels look cheap (in comparison).

How'd that work out? Wolves - what could go wrong?

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:10pm

Wibbs wrote: »

I have. Some good points, swamped by the end is nigh points that have almost no scientific value. The usual mix of the fringe of any sort.

Actually they have a large impact on local environments. For a start more trees grow and water tables rise. On a continental scale that would have an impact.

I'd aim to reforest the place first. I'd also make it more financially worthwhile to have fewer kids. The single biggest thing someone can do for the planet is to have one less child, yet on the other hand we're told we need more people. Hell our governments are all for encouraging importing more bloody people from elsewhere. Bless. I admire the naivety, but that's what it is. They give zero fcuks about this stuff. Though we could impact China by stopping buying their tat and penalising local industries who farm manufacturing out to them. Have fewer kids, plant many more native trees, eat less, buy much less tat and buy local = pretty large impact.

Having fewer kids (or none) and addressing transport and aviation is certainly part of the mix. For little ol ireland addressing beef farming is HUGE. Reforesting and rewilding are def the approach to take on this overall.

Tony EH · 01-10-2019 8:14pm

We have enough problems protecting livestock from less aggressive predators.

Imagine the nightmare of a pack of wild wolves roaming the countryside.

Feckin Greens coming up with shite again.

cnocbui · 01-10-2019 8:20pm

Reintroducing wolves would mean culling the population of the most highly protected species in Ireland. The smallest recorded wolf territory was 33 km^2 The largest was 6,272 km^2. Sacrifices would have to be made, so it won't happen.

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:20pm

Also while we are at it populate the wilderness with

Irish red deer
Irish fallow deer
Irish red squirrel
Lets investigate bringing back the giant elk
Hare
Rats, mice etc.

whisky_galore · 01-10-2019 8:23pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lets investigate bringing back the giant elk

Jaysus Jurassic Park. You're having a laugh now.

Credibility = 0

Since when are rats and mice in danger of extinction?

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:23pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've trekked the Mournes on numerous occasions, you don't have the foggiest notion. A wolf pack confined to a few square kilometres? You're wasting your time on boards altogether.

Berties horse can I just ask that you see the bigger picture and don’t shoot down everything without giving it a fair hearing. The wilderness project definetly can work. It’s a matter of time and resourcing

ted1 · 01-10-2019 8:24pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's a piece on the Yellowstone reintroduction but they have an enormous ecosystem.

https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem

Look at the size of yellowstone compared to Ireland. https://mapfight.appspot.com/ie-vs-yellowstone/ireland-yellowstone-national-park-size-comparison

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:24pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Jaysus Jurassic Park. You're having a laugh now.

Credibility = 0

Sorry now but you are revealing your lack of knowledge on the progress made in dna cloning now

Google wooly mammoth 2019. This is possible folks

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:26pm

Since when are rats and mice in danger of extinction?[/quote]

It’s about recreating a pristine primordial ecosystem whisky

Dravokivich · 01-10-2019 8:26pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I said increase the fencing as high as required. No biggie. U Havnt addressed the obvious benefits of rewillding Ireland.

Wild, behind a fence? Isnt that not domestication?

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:27pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

Wild, behind a fence? Isnt that not domestication?

No because we are talking about a huge area of land if you can envision a semi circle just south of dublin all the way to west cork

Junkyard Tom · 01-10-2019 8:27pm

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Wolves + humans = werewolves.

Dravokivich · 01-10-2019 8:27pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now but you are revealing your lack of knowledge on the progress made in dna cloning now

Google wooly mammoth 2019. This is possible folks

It's no different to reverse breeding. It's just a quicker process.

whisky_galore · 01-10-2019 8:27pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Since when are rats and mice in danger of extinction?

It’s about recreating a pristine primordial ecosystem whisky[/quote]

You'll need to emigrate in that case.

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:29pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

It’s about recreating a pristine primordial ecosystem whisky

You'll need to emigrate in that case.[/quote]

Eh no need to get personal man

I said I would be happy (actually would prefer) living in the middle of this pristine wilderness

HorrorScope · 01-10-2019 8:29pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No because we are talking about a huge area of land if you can envision a semi circle just south of dublin all the way to west cork

Ya but sure nobody at all lives outside of Dublin, let’s bring wolves, snakes and even ****ing scorpions in while we’re at it? Sure it will make a lovely sight seeing trip for the city dwellers and tourists :rolleyes:

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:29pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

Ya but sure nobody at all lives outside of Dublin, let’s bring wolves, snakes and even ****ing scorpions in while we’re at it? Sure it will make a lovely sight seeing trip for the city dwellers and tourists :rolleyes:

Snakes and scorps??? Not in our plan, man. Has to be native Irish species

Tony EH · 01-10-2019 8:30pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Reintroducing wolves would mean culling the population of the most highly protected species in Ireland. The smallest recorded wolf territory was 33 km^2 The largest was 6,272 km^2. Sacrifices would have to be made, so it won't happen.

Of course it won't. The very idea is a farce. A wolf pack could cover the distance Kilbeggan to Ballinasloe at a lesuirely pace in the better part of a day, ravaging sheep and cattle along the way.

The first time that happens there would be a nationwide hunt to shoot them all.

This has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard a politician suggest in a long time and, by christ, that's saying something.

HorrorScope · 01-10-2019 8:31pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Snakes and scorps??? Not in our plan, man. Has to be native Irish species

No your plan is introducing apex predators who haven’t been here in over 200 years...

whisky_galore · 01-10-2019 8:31pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You'll need to emigrate in that case.

Eh no need to get personal man

I said I would be happy (actually would prefer) living in the middle of this pristine wilderness[/quote]

No. You're human. No need for you.
Out.
You're interfering with mother nature.
Not a native species.

Beechwoodspark · 01-10-2019 8:33pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

No your plan is introducing apex predators who haven’t been here in over 200 years...

Sorry but never mentioned snakes and scorps

200 years is like, less than an eye blink in terms of deep ecological time

cnocbui · 01-10-2019 8:39pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now but you are revealing your lack of knowledge on the progress made in dna cloning now

Google wooly mammoth 2019. This is possible folks

Something like 20 attempts have been made by the Russians to clone Wooly Mammoths, and all have failed, so this folk won't believe it till he sees it.

Gizmodo reports that the researchers behind the project, who are also working to resurrect woolly mammoths, have tried and failed to grow such cells 20 different times.

The only way to bring back these sort of creatures -s hould the cloning ever work - is to create a vast contiguous reserve that can be let go wild and revert utterly to nature, with a helping hand to speed the process, but as I said, that would involve culling the most protected species in Ireland, so it's never going to happen, much as I like the idea.

HorrorScope · 01-10-2019 8:39pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry but never mentioned snakes and scorps

200 years is like, less than an eye blink in terms of deep ecological time

Yeah 200 years ago when we didn’t have the sprawl of population we have now. If you think this wankstain of an idea is in anyway plausible I’m sorry but you are deluded or trolling.

dirtyden · 01-10-2019 9:03pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

No because we are talking about a huge area of land if you can envision a semi circle just south of dublin all the way to west cork

You want to send most of the southern half of Ireland back to the dark ages so that wolves can be reintroduced.

That might work for the wolves but you do realize that there are people, towns, businesses etc there?

Should we re-introduce wolves to Ireland?

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