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JUNO to Jupiter

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Rubecula wrote: »
    And the ancients had railways and steam engines and computers of a sort..... if they had put them together we could have been visiting the stars by now.
    Unfortunately not. The big difference of the Industrial Revolution was that there were more well off people.

    Dark ages inventions like crop rotation, better horse harness and better plough meant less people were needed to grow food. Later on spectacles were invented and clothes became so cheap that not everyone wore the same set all their lives. So finally you have the conditions ready for printing, cheap paper from rags and people who would learn to read because they'd be able to read later in life.

    So printed books , information explosion.


    Many inventions only happen when the technology they depend on becomes available.
    Edison and Swann patented the light bulb at the same time.
    Bell patented the telephone about three hours before Elisha Gray, but of course it was Antonio Meucci who invented it or was it ...
    Konrad Zuse invented the computer. As did all the other groups.


    As for Radar ? US, British Comonwealth, France , Germany , Japan, Italy and the Neatherlands all had working systems before WWII.

    Despite all the secrecy of the others Hungry started developing radar in 1942 and had a working microwave system in 1944. A modified version was able to do a moon-bounce in 1946. http://hackaday.com/2013/11/19/retrotechtacular-zoltan-bays-moon-bounce-coulometer-signal-amplifier/

    Contrast that to Imperial China which suppressed a lot of inventions in an attempt to keep the status quo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    ^^ I'm off to play Civilization 5 after reading that :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    Lets hope for some great photos and some interesting readings, after Juno's fly-by some 4,500 km above the clouds of Jupiter yesterday.

    Will be keeping a special eye on the NASA website over the coming days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    Pics/VID are up.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    And so Juno sends back stunning images of Jupiter's North polar region. So many small swirling storms and hardly recognisable from the familiar cloud bands we see on the planet. I am very hopeful that Juno will will answer a lot of questions we have about my namesake planet!:)

    pia21030_main_2_north_polar_full-disk_a.png?itok=Qz_Qqf3n


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    http://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasas-juno-mission-exits-safe-mode-performs-trim-maneuver/
    NASA's Juno Mission Exits Safe Mode, Performs Trim Maneuver
    ..
    Juno will perform its next science flyby of Jupiter on Dec. 11,


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Juno has just had a successful third perijove encounter, passing the giant Jupiter closely. This follows it going into safe mode at the last perijove encounter.

    Pics and other data to follow soon!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Some lovely images from Juno:

    BeneathJupiter_Juno_960.jpg

    Juno captured the Jovian rings from inside, anyone spot Orion??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Breathtaking views of Jupiter.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Last week, NASA software engineer Kevin Kyle uploaded this picture of the shadow of Io on Jupiter, from Juno's flyby of perijove 22:

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    The crispness of the umbra is due to the Sun appearing five times smaller from Jupiter than from Earth, so it casts sharper shadows. But the shadow looks very big compared to Io transits pictured from Earth or like this one from the Hubble Space Telescope:

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    The lunatic fringe who believe all NASA photos are faked sometimes cite pictures of Earth as evidence, in which the the continents appear different and inconsistent sizes. I thought the Juno picture of Io's sharp shadow would give a way of demonstrating what's going on numerically. First we figure out how big the shadow would look from very far away where we can see an entire hemisphere of the planet. This is simple geometry:

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    By filling in the radii of the Sun, Io, and Jupiter, and the distances separating them, we can calculate the slope of the line, and thus the size of the umbra that Io casts on Jupiter. I find the ratio of Jupiter's diameter to umbra size to be 46:1. It seems reasonable when compared against the Hubble image for a sanity check.

    Then we consider how things look for an observer who is a height h above a planet:

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    d is the distance to the observer's horizon, and r is the radius of the visible disc. This is obviously smaller than the full hemisphere radius R, so objects in images taken from far away will be smaller by a factor R.

    The triangle with sides r, d, and h, and the one with sides R, d and R+h are similar. Therefore:

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    By Pythagoras theorem we also have:

    gif.latex?%7Bd%5E2%7D%20%3D%20%7B%28R%20+%20h%29%5E2%7D%20-%20%7BR%5E2%7D%20%3D%202Rh%20+%20%7Bh%5E2%7D

    Thus:

    gif.latex?a%20%3D%20%5Cfrac%7B%7B%5Csqrt%20%7B2Rh%20+%20%7Bh%5E2%7D%7D%20%7D%7D%7B%7BR%20+%20h%7D%7D

    ... and this can be rearranged to:

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    So then I just measured the Juno image in a crappy drawing program:

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    and found the ratio of Jupiter's diameter to Io's shadow to be 6.6. This meant that:

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    ... and:

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    Given the rough and ready nature, this compares well to Juno's height of approximately 8,000 km given in the NASA credit for the image. All's well with the world ... and Jupiter (but not with the lunatic fringe :pac: ).


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Amazing to think that the Juno Jupiter mission thread hasn’t been updated in over 2 years...

    Juno has now gone into its extended mission after a highly successful primary mission, which clearly demonstrated that a solar powered probe could operate in the outer solar system. Juno is now exploring Jupiter’s large Galilean moons in addition to taking close up images of Jupiter.

    Ganymede, largest moon of Jupiter and the largest moon in the solar system (larger than the innermost planet, Mercury) - imaged by the NASA Juno Jupiter orbiter mission on June 7th 2021. Tectonic stresses as well as craters on the icy crust are clearly visible and a layer of saltwater is believed to exist below the surface.

    Details as small as 600 metres are visible in this close up image, the first close up image of Ganymede since the Galileo mission in 2000.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The grooved terrain is fascinating. The relative lack of craters also indicates a young surface of ice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,753 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Why are some f the craters surrounded by an almost perfect ring outside the crater site and others are not? Or another way of asking, where does there appear to be a rind around some of the craters, what causes this?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Montage of images taken by Juno of Io, the highly volcanic inner Galilean moon of Jupiter on March 1st. Resolution is about 35 km per pixel.


    Since 2021 Juno has imaged Jovian moons Ganymede and Europa in close up.

    Juno will make two very close flybys of Io later this year and in early 2024, with images expected to be 1km resolution per pixel or better.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Even higher resolution images of Io taken during Juno’s perijove 51 - if you look closely, you can discern some red spots which are volcanic hot spots on the shadowed part of the moon’s surface.




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight



    Please let there be photos of volcanic activity :)



    NASA's Juno mission is to close out 2023 with a low pass over Io, one of Jupiter's many moons.

    The spacecraft will come within 930 miles (1,500 kilometres) of the surface on December 30


    https://spaceflight101.com/juno/spacecraft-information/ Juno features a data handling system that is based on the RAD750 flight processor with 256 megabytes of flash memory and 128 megabytes of DRAM local memory. ... The RAD750 processors operate at up to 200 megahertz.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    The first of the up close Io images from Juno’s latest flyby have been released, and they are superb. The resolution is excellent.

    There were some concerns in relation to the camera electronics due to radiation exposure but Juno really pulled it off spectacularly! 👍👍




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Here's an even better image of the tortured, volcanic surface of Io from yesterday's Juno flyby, processed for greater clarity.

    Happy New Year, guys! 🥳🥳🎈🎉🎈🎉




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    More absolutely stunning close up images of the tortured volcanic surface of Jovian moon Io, taken by the NASA Juno orbiter on February 3rd.

    The surface of volcanic lava lake Loki, visible in the left image at upper right, is reflecting in the sunlight as never seen before by previous missions.




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