Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

pjohnson · 11-01-2020 12:14am

DM_7 wrote: »

**** Tim is fast.

https://twitter.com/ManUnitedZone_/status/1215742998186725381?s=19

He was the fastest player in the PL during both his loan spells iirc.

Very nice to see injuries didnt make him loose his pace.

beno619 · 11-01-2020 6:48am

DM_7 wrote: »

It influenced his wage request just like it did De Gea's.

Nope the club waiting until he had already received a ridiculous offer from PSG before attempting to negotiate influenced his wage demands.

Sanchez can't be blamed contract renewal/non renewal going forward.

y0ssar1an22 · 11-01-2020 10:48am

Pukki out for Norwich. Should be 3 points in the bag. Let's hope he rests Maguire.

StringerBell · 11-01-2020 11:25am

bucketybuck wrote: »

Without wanting to defend Phil Jones I think the thread is again going overboard on its scapegoating.

No, we don't need to play Matic or Carrick in central defence, no we don't need to play AWB there. Phil Jones is not the anti-christ, he is a perfectly capable defender and it shouldn't even be a debate that he comes into the side this weekend rather than risking Maguire at home to Norwich.

Since you responded to me directly while addressing "the thread"

Is Phil Jones not injured no?

Edit: just to make this clear, my point was in relation to not playing a player who is clearly carrying a knock at the very least. I don't care who comes in for him, it wasn't a slight against Phil Jones ,it's an emphasis that I don't care who plays there as long as we maybe use some squad management and don't play the injured guy

Zeek12 · 11-01-2020 11:57am

xtal191 wrote: »

Bruno should've been brought in last summer and maybe we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

When you've got a midfield of Fred, Pereira and Lingard.....You haven't got a midfield.

You're not wrong about last summer.

But good God can we just get a real No.10 in now please!

Lord TSC · 11-01-2020 11:59am

Neil Ashton, who presented The Sunday Supplement on Sky, has been hired by United as a PR consultant. He will provide advice to the vice-chairman Ed Woodward and co-owner Joel Glazer on dealing with the British media.

Zeek12 wrote: »

When you've got a midfield of Fred, Pereira and Lingard.....You haven't got a midfield.

You're not wrong about last summer.

But good God can we just get a real No.10 in now please!

If everyone was fit, a midfield of Pogba, Bruno, Fred (in current form) and McT would be a super solid base. Still would like one more, mind. Someone a bit more box-to-box-y.

RasTa · 11-01-2020 12:04pm

Why didn't we sign Fernandes in the summer then? Not believing these rumours.

pjohnson · 11-01-2020 12:07pm

RasTa wrote: »

Why didn't we sign Fernandes in the summer then? Not believing these rumours.

Tbf it took us 12 months to actually sign Herrera and Maguire from when we were first linked to signing them so I find the 6 month delay the most believable part, although still too optimistic a timeframe.

PARlance · 11-01-2020 12:19pm

Liam O wrote: »

If he's joining to play the same role that Lingard/Pereira/Mata have been playing this season without a change of tactics then I'm not sure if it's going to change much. They get very few touches a game despite being in a position that should be the fulcrum of the attack. Maybe he can demand the ball more but the position in the tactical setup is clearly more of a problem than the players there (who have also been admittedly shíte)

Curious as to what tactics are being employed that make those 3 below par? For me, they're just not up to the standards required for a number 10. A better player will influence the game more..

I do think Ole has disappointed in these games against deep lying defenses. But for me, he should have realised that he didn't have a capable 10 and changed formation for these games... taking the 10 out of the equation with a 3-5-2 or 4-4-2. We would have still struggled from a lack of creativity but at least we would have caused defenses a bit more trouble with 2 strikers.

Rayne Wooney · 11-01-2020 12:20pm

beno619 wrote: »

Nope the club waiting until he had already received a ridiculous offer from PSG before attempting to negotiate influenced his wage demands.

Sanchez can't be blamed contract renewal/non renewal going forward.

That’s not correct

Sanchez’ contract influenced a ton of contracts at the club and will have a lasting effect.

De Gea for one, no club in the world would pay Rashford and Martial north of 200k a week either. To be fair to Rashford, he has done something in the last 2/3 months to earn his pay cheque but it’s not enough unless he continues that form from now on.

Any player we sign is going to base their expectations on those figures, we’ve set the bar way too high with contracts. Dybala was looking for 350k a week to play for us ffs.

It’s just another in a long line of fúck ups from Ed Woodward. Look at clubs that are ran well, Spurs, Liverpool even Chelsea, none of those clubs are desperate though which is part of the problem.

Rayne Wooney · 11-01-2020 12:22pm

RasTa wrote: »

Why didn't we sign Fernandes in the summer then? Not believing these rumours.

Because he couldn’t pass the ball well

But we’re ignoring that now because 8 wins in 21 games

Liam O · 11-01-2020 12:35pm

PARlance wrote: »

Curious as to what tactics are being employed that make those 3 below par? For me, they're just not up to the standards required for a number 10. A better player will influence the game more..

I do think Ole has disappointed in these games against deep lying defenses. But for me, he should have realised that he didn't have a capable 10 and changed formation for these games... taking the 10 out of the equation with a 3-5-2 or 4-4-2. We would have still struggled from a lack of creativity but at least we would have caused defenses a bit more trouble with 2 strikers.

It's quite simple really. They try to get the ball to the wide players or quickly to the striker from midfield. This leaves the no.10 to be marked by at least 2, potentially 3 players if the other team has 2 DMs and a spare CB. Now a lot of players in that position will come deep looking for the ball and try to make things happen from there, see Özil against United, but that doesn't seem to be part of the instruction at United. Lingard has done it a few times this season and looked miles better than when he pushes up to the striker but the next game it's back to standing up there and the ball flying past him 20 times a game. Seen the same from Mata and Pereira so it's not limited to him.

I don't believe any of them are good enough to be starters for United but they're better players than we've seen this season. If it was one or even 2 of them looking completely blunt in the position I could believe it's the players, but the fact it's all 3 is making me believe that the tactics are to blame and the position is poison.

Zeek12 · 11-01-2020 12:56pm

Liam O wrote: »

Now a lot of players in that position will come deep looking for the ball and try to make things happen from there, see Özil against United, but that doesn't seem to be part of the instruction at United. Lingard has done it a few times this season and looked miles better than when he pushes up to the striker but the next game it's back to standing up there and the ball flying past him 20 times a game.

Pogba does it regularly and does so effectively. But he's started something like 5 league games all season.
The others like Lingard and Perreira are simply not good enough to do this effectively on a regular basis.

And of course the Pogba/Riaola situation has turned into a circus....

The squad is so thin on good creative midfield players, and the tactics have to suit the players a manager has.
This essentially is what imo drives the approach whereby forward thinking (but average) midfielders get bypassed in games.

Kerrydude1981 · 11-01-2020 1:27pm

Any sign of Bruno lads?

Maybe its Frank Bruno we are signing

Drumpot · 11-01-2020 1:40pm

Zeek12 wrote: »

Pogba does it regularly and does so effectively. But he's started something like 5 league games all season.
The others like Lingard and Perreira are simply not good enough to do this effectively on a regular basis.

And of course the Pogba/Riaola situation has turned into a circus....

The squad is so thin on good creative midfield players, and the tactics have to suit the players a manager has.
This essentially is what imo drives the approach whereby forward thinking (but average) midfielders get bypassed in games.

Admittedly I’m not tactical genius, But how is united the only club it seems in the top half that is really missing this kind of player (Pogba aside)? Like Is there absolutely no way of the squad compensating for this deficiency? Does every team in the EPL have these sort of players?

Liverpool’s central midfield is often three lads that are not known for their attack minded play like a Pogba. What is it , fabhino, Henderson, Wijnaldum, llalana
and Milner? Are these not just well coached and setup as opposed to being great at unlocking defences?

DARK-KNIGHT · 11-01-2020 1:47pm

Any word on Fernandez yet

beno619 · 11-01-2020 1:50pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

That’s not correct

Sanchez’ contract influenced a ton of contracts at the club and will have a lasting effect.

De Gea for one, no club in the world would pay Rashford and Martial north of 200k a week either. To be fair to Rashford, he has done something in the last 2/3 months to earn his pay cheque but it’s not enough unless he continues that form from now on.

Any player we sign is going to base their expectations on those figures, we’ve set the bar way too high with contracts. Dybala was looking for 350k a week to play for us ffs.

It’s just another in a long line of fúck ups from Ed Woodward. Look at clubs that are ran well, Spurs, Liverpool even Chelsea, none of those clubs are desperate though which is part of the problem.

I disagree and don't think there's much point going back and forward on this. As you said yourself poor decision making and desperation would be a bigger cause.

Dybala would have been making his biggest move and about to hit his prime of course he'd be looking for top money.

GSPfan · 11-01-2020 1:53pm

It’ll be Monday before we hear any more about this Fernandes deal. I think we need another midfielder in too, a proper midfielder who can compete or be better than Fred who has become a very good part of our squad.

8-10 · 11-01-2020 2:15pm

Emre Can has supposedly turned down a move to United out of respect for Liverpool according to Tuttosport

Headshot · 11-01-2020 2:16pm

8-10 wrote: »

Emre Can has supposedly turned down a move to United out of respect for Liverpool according to Tuttosport

Thank God

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 11-01-2020 2:19pm

8-10 wrote: »

Emre Can has supposedly turned down a move to United out of respect for Liverpool according to Tuttosport

Would of been just another McT/Fred type of player not what was needed.

RobbingBandit · 11-01-2020 2:35pm

Just offer Pogba for CR7 and let the good times begin again

Backstreet Moyes · 11-01-2020 3:15pm

Probably the easiest game of the season and he start Maguire who is supposed to be not full fit

Nunu · 11-01-2020 3:20pm

Nuts102 wrote: »

Probably the easiest game of the season and he start Maguire who is supposed to be not full fit

I really wish you hadn’t said that:D

Buy ye, I think 4-1 Utd. Just the way this seasons been. Idah with the consolation be nice.

11-01-2020 3:25pm

What a terrible decision to start him

Headshot · 11-01-2020 3:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What a terrible decision to start him

1+

This is a perfect game for Jones, surely he couldn't even **** up against a depleted Norwich team

Headshot · 11-01-2020 3:34pm

Nice to see the game on Premier Sports where Ole's colleagues wont beable to back him up and the panel are already ripping Ole apart

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 11-01-2020 3:48pm

Badly need 3 points today. Maybe this can be the day we have an easy win against an *easy* team.

Kerrydude1981 · 11-01-2020 3:50pm

Headshot wrote: »

Nice to see the game on Premier Sports where Ole's colleagues wont beable to back him up and the panel are already ripping Ole apart

Ya they werent holding back, and rightly so

GSPfan · 11-01-2020 3:52pm

8-10 wrote: »

Emre Can has supposedly turned down a move to United out of respect for his sanity according to Tuttosport

Fixed your post.

wanderer100 · 11-01-2020 3:54pm

https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1216006631449862144?s=20

Rayne Wooney · 11-01-2020 3:57pm

Should be a handy win today tbh

larchielads · 11-01-2020 3:57pm

Am i missing somethin lads theres no sign of the utd game on premier sports1 or 2, ive got iptv, can prob find it elsewhere but just wonderin why ive got cyclin and ice hockey on my premier sports and others have the football???

Headshot · 11-01-2020 3:58pm

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Ya they werent holding back, and rightly so

Bang on

Quandary · 11-01-2020 4:01pm

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Should be a handy win today tbh

You would imagine so alright.

I threw a fiver on the draw at 4-1 though, been hurt too many times and need a safety net to cover the price of my beers.

If we lose I'll then hopefully hell get sacked.

Win win win

Sort of

GSPfan · 11-01-2020 4:12pm

I’m annoyed at the setup of this team already and it’s Juan Mata again doing something that infuriates me by abandoning the right wing and crowding the middle of the pitch. The right wing is empty cause every player is dragged to the left to suffocate Rashford.

Cantona's Collars · 11-01-2020 4:13pm

larchielads wrote: »

Am i missing somethin lads theres no sign of the utd game on premier sports1 or 2, ive got iptv, can prob find it elsewhere but just wonderin why ive got cyclin and ice hockey on my premier sports and others have the football???

That's the UK version. It's on Bein 11 anyway.

11-01-2020 4:16pm

That looked like a stonewall peno to me but my stream is very ****?

Was there contact?

GSPfan · 11-01-2020 4:16pm

You gotta love Williams. Such a breath of fresh air. Can we make him captain?

Only half messin.

11-01-2020 4:17pm

No pattern of play
It's so predictable

Rayne Wooney · 11-01-2020 4:18pm

Shot-on-target has been quiet thus far

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 11-01-2020 4:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No pattern of play
It's so predictable

Thinking we are playing very well tbh.

GSPfan · 11-01-2020 4:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That looked like a stonewall peno to me but my stream is very ****?

Was there contact?

Not really sure. Not all contact is a foul anyway. Nobody claimed for it really so...

larchielads · 11-01-2020 4:19pm

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

That's the UK version. It's on Bein 11 anyway.

Was just thinkin that

Liam O · 11-01-2020 4:20pm

Fred again incapable of playing a forward pass through the middle.

ankles · 11-01-2020 4:26pm

They will score on the break. We have yet to take a shot

Mars Bar · 11-01-2020 4:27pm

ankles wrote: »

They will score on the break. We have yet to take a shot

Williams took a shot but it was miles over

ankles · 11-01-2020 4:28pm

ankles wrote: »

They will score on the break. We have yet to take a shot

BY which I mean we will score, they have yet to shoot :P

wanderer100 · 11-01-2020 4:28pm

Rashford !!! Great ball from Mata.
Been electric today Marcus

Mars Bar · 11-01-2020 4:29pm

Beautiful goal. Lovely delivery from Mata

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