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ColumMcAndrew · 22-05-2020, 22:40

Hi. I've an autograph book that my grandfather had signed by most (if not all) of the Irish cabinet in 1934. I'm trying to decipher some of the signatures, but it would help if I knew the names of those around the Dail during this time.

Can anyone help by providing a resource I can tap into?
Many thanks
Colum

Itssoeasy · 22-05-2020, 22:50

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Originally Posted by ColumMcAndrew

Hi. I've an autograph book that my grandfather had signed by most (if not all) of the Irish cabinet in 1934. I'm trying to decipher some of the signatures, but it would help if I knew the names of those around the Dail during this time.

Can anyone help by providing a resource I can tap into?
Many thanks
Colum

Oireachtas.ie and check the dail debates under dail term and 1934 would fall under the 8th dail which started in 1933 so normally the cabinet is elected on the first sitting like the Taoiseach and ceann comhairle. So while the cabinet may have changed you'll have most of them.

Edit: I typed Taoiseach but the Taoiseach wasn't created until 1937.

Water John · 22-05-2020, 22:53

Todd Andrews, Frank Aiken and Sean Lemass would be three.

Itssoeasy · 22-05-2020, 22:56

Courtesy of wiki.

President of the Executive Council Eamon de Valera
Minister for External Affairs
Vice-President of the Executive Council Seán T. O'Kelly
Minister for Local Government and Public Health
Minister for Justice P. J. Ruttledge
Minister for Industry and Commerce Seán Lemass
Minister for Finance Seán MacEntee
Minister for Agriculture James Ryan
Minister for Defence Frank Aiken
Minister for Education Thomas Derrig
Minister for Lands and Fisheries Joseph Connolly
Minister for Posts and Telegraphs Gerard Boland.

Itssoeasy · 22-05-2020, 23:00

The dail debates from that time are fascinating to read.

ColumMcAndrew · 23-05-2020, 20:17

Thank you so much. I'll take a look.

tabbey · 24-05-2020, 15:24

Many of them may have signed the Irish/Gaelic version.

ColumMcAndrew · 24-05-2020, 17:55

Thanks everyone. I have managed to decipher signatures of Eamon de Valeria, Frank Aiken, P J Ruttledge, Sean Lemass, Patrick Little, Edward Dawson, Margaret Pearse, Seamus MacCall, and Dan Breen.

Others that I've not been able to decipher (mainly because the handwriting hard to read) could be:
Seamus O'Riam (?)
Sean T O'Meallay (?)
someone with the surname O'Congoile
Proinsias o'Faraig

There are also two others that I can't even begin to decipher. It looks like these forums don't allow images. Is that correct? As it could be a useful way for you useful people to help.

Water John · 24-05-2020, 23:57

Sean T O'Meallay (?),(O'Ceallaig)that may be Sean T O'Kelly.
Seamus O'Riam (?), (O'Rian) that looks like James Ryan.
Joseph Connolly ( O'Connaille)
Proinsias o'Faraig (O'Fataig) Just a shot at the name Francis Fahy.
My Irish spellings may not fully correct.
You need 50 posts to put up pics, I think.

Water John · 25-05-2020, 15:19

An alternative for;
Sean T O'Meallay (?) is Sean O'Meallain, that's Sean Moylan from North Cork.
But I don't think he was a Minister that early.

ColumMcAndrew · 25-05-2020, 18:13

Thank you so much John. That's very helpful. I guess I'll have to post some more to get access to the insert picture option.

Dr.Nightdub · 26-05-2020, 00:15

Interesting aside re Joseph Connolly: originally from Belfast, he was the last government minister who wasn't a TD - while in office, he was a Senator.

Water John · 26-05-2020, 00:21

Dr. Jim Dooge was appointed a Senator by Garrett Fitzgerald and then made a Minister in the 1980s, never elected to public office.
I think that's the only one since the 1937 Constitution, your's may be the only one prior to it.

Dr.Nightdub · 27-05-2020, 00:39

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Originally Posted by Water John

Dr. Jim Dooge was appointed a Senator by Garrett Fitzgerald and then made a Minister in the 1980s, never elected to public office.
I think that's the only one since the 1937 Constitution, your's may be the only one prior to it.

I stand corrected.

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ColumMcAndrew Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 4 Adverts \| Friends	Mid 1930s Dail politicians Hi. I've an autograph book that my grandfather had signed by most (if not all) of the Irish cabinet in 1934. I'm trying to decipher some of the signatures, but it would help if I knew the names of those around the Dail during this time. Can anyone help by providing a resource I can tap into? Many thanks Colum

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Water John Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 17,945 Adverts \| Friends	Sean T O'Meallay (?),(O'Ceallaig)that may be Sean T O'Kelly. Seamus O'Riam (?), (O'Rian) that looks like James Ryan. Joseph Connolly ( O'Connaille) Proinsias o'Faraig (O'Fataig) Just a shot at the name Francis Fahy. My Irish spellings may not fully correct. You need 50 posts to put up pics, I think. Last edited by Water John; 25-05-2020 at 00:07.

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22-05-2020, 22:53	#3
Water John Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 17,945 Adverts \| Friends	Todd Andrews, Frank Aiken and Sean Lemass would be three.

22-05-2020, 22:56	#4
Itssoeasy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 31,798 Adverts \| Friends	Courtesy of wiki. President of the Executive Council Eamon de Valera Minister for External Affairs Vice-President of the Executive Council Seán T. O'Kelly Minister for Local Government and Public Health Minister for Justice P. J. Ruttledge Minister for Industry and Commerce Seán Lemass Minister for Finance Seán MacEntee Minister for Agriculture James Ryan Minister for Defence Frank Aiken Minister for Education Thomas Derrig Minister for Lands and Fisheries Joseph Connolly Minister for Posts and Telegraphs Gerard Boland.

22-05-2020, 23:00	#5
Itssoeasy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 31,798 Adverts \| Friends	The dail debates from that time are fascinating to read.

23-05-2020, 20:17	#6
ColumMcAndrew Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 4 Adverts \| Friends	Thank you so much. I'll take a look.

24-05-2020, 15:24	#7
tabbey Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,778 Adverts \| Friends	Many of them may have signed the Irish/Gaelic version.

24-05-2020, 17:55	#8
ColumMcAndrew Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 4 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks everyone. I have managed to decipher signatures of Eamon de Valeria, Frank Aiken, P J Ruttledge, Sean Lemass, Patrick Little, Edward Dawson, Margaret Pearse, Seamus MacCall, and Dan Breen. Others that I've not been able to decipher (mainly because the handwriting hard to read) could be: Seamus O'Riam (?) Sean T O'Meallay (?) someone with the surname O'Congoile Proinsias o'Faraig There are also two others that I can't even begin to decipher. It looks like these forums don't allow images. Is that correct? As it could be a useful way for you useful people to help.

25-05-2020, 15:19	#10
Water John Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 17,945 Adverts \| Friends	An alternative for; Sean T O'Meallay (?) is Sean O'Meallain, that's Sean Moylan from North Cork. But I don't think he was a Minister that early.

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ColumMcAndrew Registered User Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 4 Adverts \| Friends	Thank you so much John. That's very helpful. I guess I'll have to post some more to get access to the insert picture option.

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Dr.Nightdub Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 106 Adverts \| Friends	Interesting aside re Joseph Connolly: originally from Belfast, he was the last government minister who wasn't a TD - while in office, he was a Senator.

26-05-2020, 00:21	#13
Water John Registered User Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 17,945 Adverts \| Friends	Dr. Jim Dooge was appointed a Senator by Garrett Fitzgerald and then made a Minister in the 1980s, never elected to public office. I think that's the only one since the 1937 Constitution, your's may be the only one prior to it.