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Thanks so much but that route no longer seems to be an option for me. I did find what I was looking for though. Thanks again for your reply.0
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Curiouslady01 wrote: »Hi folks, just a quick question. How do I go about putting in a complaint about a kalor pellet boiler to kalor? If anyone has the information it would be appreciated.
Many thanks.
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Shefwedfan wrote: »I just bite the bullet.....I will be broke for a month
Went with the Stanley http://stoneandstoves.ie/product/8kw-solis-k100/
In the red as well......8kW
The Innofire was the other option from same company but they had none in stock and 4+ weeks before delivery and had installer ready to go, couldnt be bothered arguing with Misses so just bite the bullet......install 1st week of October
Almost 7 months later how's the stove going ?
How many bags are you burning for that large room ?
Where do you get the bags and do you bulk buy ? would be a pain trying to store them in a shed or outside with the cold and damp in this country.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Almost 7 months later how's the stove going ?
How many bags are you burning for that large room ?
Where do you get the bags and do you bulk buy ? would be a pain trying to store them in a shed or outside with the cold and damp in this country.
Its flying!! one thing to note when you buy these things. Read the manual :P it was new to the shop and the installer so they gave me a brief run over and told me to read the manual. ANyway manual is still in the press never read.
For a long time I was setting the fire and fan manually, so it would burn away. Then I was messing one day and figured out I could set it to auto fan and set the temp. Now we are all sorted. SO this morning as everyone is in house I fired it at 6 when kids got up, now it just trickles away all day and keeps that room warm.
At the moment buying bags at 6 euro a pop in local supplier. I do have space in shed but I need to repair roof and dont want to buy bulk and they get wet. Dont see any issue with storing in shed.
In terms of usage, a bag would keep it going for circa 2 days, its a big f**k of a room so taht is not too bad. If I was using coal/log I would easily burn a full bag of coal, problem with the bag of coal, was at times the room would be like an oven. This is the bit my wife would like back, I dont0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »Its flying!! one thing to note when you buy these things. Read the manual :P it was new to the shop and the installer so they gave me a brief run over and told me to read the manual. ANyway manual is still in the press never read.
For a long time I was setting the fire and fan manually, so it would burn away. Then I was messing one day and figured out I could set it to auto fan and set the temp. Now we are all sorted. SO this morning as everyone is in house I fired it at 6 when kids got up, now it just trickles away all day and keeps that room warm.
At the moment buying bags at 6 euro a pop in local supplier. I do have space in shed but I need to repair roof and dont want to buy bulk and they get wet. Dont see any issue with storing in shed.
In terms of usage, a bag would keep it going for circa 2 days, its a big f**k of a room so taht is not too bad. If I was using coal/log I would easily burn a full bag of coal, problem with the bag of coal, was at times the room would be like an oven. This is the bit my wife would like back, I dont
Delighted it's working well for you.
Yes solid fuel is hard to regulate and doesn't care how hot the room is the same with my Oil stove even though there is a lot more regulation it doesn't care how hot the room is so it will waste a lot more fuel because of this.
This is one of the big attractions to the pellet stoves, it lights itself, has a timer and regulates the temp and I think it's worth the effort of managing pellets.
If you got away with 1 bag for 2 days that's good going, I would probably get away with half or less in a lower Kw stove.
I would like an insert stove though they are a lot more expensive.
So it costs 6 Euro a bag and how big is a bag of pellets ?
Not sure where I could get them in Carlow, I imagine the likes of Woodies charges a fortune.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Delighted it's working well for you.
Yes solid fuel is hard to regulate and doesn't care how hot the room is the same with my Oil stove even though there is a lot more regulation it doesn't care how hot the room is so it will waste a lot more fuel because of this.
This is one of the big attractions to the pellet stoves, it lights itself, has a timer and regulates the temp and I think it's worth the effort of managing pellets.
If you got away with 1 bag for 2 days that's good going, I would probably get away with half or less in a lower Kw stove.
I would like an insert stove though they are a lot more expensive.
So it costs 6 Euro a bag and how big is a bag of pellets ?
Not sure where I could get them in Carlow, I imagine the likes of Woodies charges a fortune.
They are a 15kg bag, so will fill up the stove and have maybe a qtr left in the bag. Woodies are stupid money alright, I think 10 or 12 a bag but I can't see on website
These are the ones my supplier sells: https://premiumpellets.ie/
65 bags for €365. SO if they are buying at 365 they make 25 quid off the pallet. Not a huge cost but I know other suppliers willing to do cheaper if buying in bulk.
Not sure how it would work as insert? where you put the pellets?
I was going to buy a small one for a sun room! I think one supplier mentioned petit or something like that, I am buying the pellets anyway
The main plus is the timer. It comes on at 6 and room is perfect, plus cleaning is so easy, every so often a quick hoover of the dust and sorted, not of that f**king around with solid fuel stove0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »They are a 15kg bag, so will fill up the stove and have maybe a qtr left in the bag. Woodies are stupid money alright, I think 10 or 12 a bag but I can't see on website
These are the ones my supplier sells: https://premiumpellets.ie/
65 bags for €365. SO if they are buying at 365 they make 25 quid off the pallet. Not a huge cost but I know other suppliers willing to do cheaper if buying in bulk.
Not sure how it would work as insert? where you put the pellets?
I was going to buy a small one for a sun room! I think one supplier mentioned petit or something like that, I am buying the pellets anyway
The main plus is the timer. It comes on at 6 and room is perfect, plus cleaning is so easy, every so often a quick hoover of the dust and sorted, not of that f**king around with solid fuel stove
All good info thanks.
With an insert pellet stove you load the pellets into a tray that pulls out from the front.1 -
Deleted User wrote: »All good info thanks.
With an insert pellet stove you load the pellets into a tray that pulls out from the front.
Interesting, how much would the tray hold?0 -
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Shefwedfan wrote: »350
All in I will be close to 2500 for stove and installation....flue liner etc....as the fireplace is open I need expensive flue and then flexi flue rest of way up
Mad_Lad, u don't know by any chance the cost of installation of a wood pellet boiler stove? Is it safe to have it In the house? Don't understand the points above re emission ect. If the child is at home on her own after school is it safe to run the stove? Can't make up my mind whether to go for oil condensing boiler or a wood pellets boiler stove? People, please advise!!!! No man in the house, so don't have a clue. Need smth on a timer for convenience. Priced the installation, 1K is the cheapest quote....0 -
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Mad_Lad, u don't know by any chance the cost of installation of a wood pellet boiler stove? Is it safe to have it In the house? Don't understand the points above re emission ect. If the child is at home on her own after school is it safe to run the stove? Can't make up my mind whether to go for oil condensing boiler or a wood pellets boiler stove? People, please advise!!!! No man in the house, so don't have a clue. Need smth on a timer for convenience. Priced the installation, 1K is the cheapest quote....
I was quoted around 3K including installation and new flue. But that was for a free standing stove, not boiler. I think I'd be looking for an insert and they're more expensive but having said that the stove might have a boiler option.
I might get to it this year hard to know what to do I like the idea of efficiency and temperature control which solid fuel doesn't have. Currently have a open Gas fire and never use it, way too expensive.
As to Child safety, depending on the age and how savoy the Child is, only you know that and can judge if you feel doubt then don't leave the stove on and use the central heating if you have it until you come home.0 -
Mad_Lad, u don't know by any chance the cost of installation of a wood pellet boiler stove? Is it safe to have it In the house? Don't understand the points above re emission ect. If the child is at home on her own after school is it safe to run the stove? Can't make up my mind whether to go for oil condensing boiler or a wood pellets boiler stove? People, please advise!!!! No man in the house, so don't have a clue. Need smth on a timer for convenience. Priced the installation, 1K is the cheapest quote....
Are you talking about a full heating system on pellet boiler v oil condensing?0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »Are you talking about a full heating system on pellet boiler v oil condensing?
Thanks for the reply. Talking about a full heating system on pellet boiler stove not a pellet boiler outside. No oil in the house. Thinking of taking out a solid fuel stove with a back boiler and replace it with wood pellet free standing stove with a back boiler so will heat the rads as well. I can see Stanley has started making them, but couldn't find any reviews, they r new on the market I believe0 -
Thanks for the reply. Talking about a full heating system on pellet boiler stove not a pellet boiler outside. No oil in the house. Thinking of taking out a solid fuel stove with a back boiler and replace it with wood pellet free standing stove with a back boiler so will heat the rads as well. I can see Stanley has started making them, but couldn't find any reviews, they r new on the market I believe
Would you not be better going for heat pump? that is way market is moving
I bought a pellet stove to heat a room, I wouldnt use it to heat a house. I am thinking of swapping out the oil for heat pump.
The issue is you could put in pellet stove now and in 10 years have to swap it out again0 -
You’ll use a lot of pellets to heat rads and you’ll need a good size dry place to store them buying in bulk.
Not sure whether I’d go with a pellet stove to heat rads.
+ the stove will need cleaning but I suppose it can’t be worse than solid fuel.
Ever look into a heat pump ? If your house is very well insulated it might be worth a look.
Or oil might be a better bet especially now it’s only around 400 a tank which will change but they won’t be for some time.
The price of pellets might be more stable than oil.
If the government push for a fed in tariff I’ll definitely look into getting solar PV and heat pump because all the excess energy in the finer weather can be bought back when needed the grid becomes unlimited battery.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »You’ll use a lot of pellets to heat rads and you’ll need a good size dry place to store them buying in bulk.
Not sure whether I’d go with a pellet stove to heat rads.
+ the stove will need cleaning but I suppose it can’t be worse than solid fuel.
Ever look into a heat pump ? If your house is very well insulated it might be worth a look.
Or oil might be a better bet especially now it’s only around 400 a tank which will change but they won’t be for some time.
The price of pellets might be more stable than oil.
If the government push for a fed in tariff I’ll definitely look into getting solar PV and heat pump because all the excess energy in the finer weather can be bought back when needed the grid becomes unlimited battery.
You can get heat pumo now with high temp or a hybrid system. Heat pump to bring up water temp and then oil to finish off massivekly reduces oil requirement
Would look at them before pellets. I did see a house once with one I was looking to buy. THey have a garage with this huge hopper to hold it. Like massive, maybe you can get smaller0 -
Yeah I think on such a scale and all the moving parts I would look elsewhere, I would get a pellet stove as a space heater but don't think I'd do it to heat rads.
I was looking at the heliotherm W2W, 7. something COP though the company in Galway said that could be higher COP depending on how many rads I have, more rads = better heat distribution via lower temp. New rads needed. But the company never came out which is typical of Ireland, unreliable companies, that's pretty amazing efficiency though but probably just go with A2W if the house was very well insulated, it isn't lol.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »Would you not be better going for heat pump? that is way market is moving
I bought a pellet stove to heat a room, I wouldnt use it to heat a house. I am thinking of swapping out the oil for heat pump.
The issue is you could put in pellet stove now and in 10 years have to swap it out again
Guys, not sure if a heat pump will work for the house I am in. The house is 60 years old, dry lined inside, artic insulated. But as far as I know all the rads will need to be changed for some special type for heat pump? Am I correct? Heat pump is a very expensive system to install, isnt it? Priced oil installation - between 3K -4K for tank, condensing boiler, piping & labour. I have only 6 rads, small house 1000 sq feet. It would be costly to install Oil and heat pump. But would love to get away from the solid fuel.0 -
Guys, not sure if a heat pump will work for the house I am in. The house is 60 years old, dry lined inside, artic insulated. But as far as I know all the rads will need to be changed for some special type for heat pump? Am I correct? Heat pump is a very expensive system to install, isnt it? Priced oil installation - between 3K -4K for tank, condensing boiler, piping & labour. I have only 6 rads, small house 1000 sq feet. It would be costly to install Oil and heat pump. But would love to get away from the solid fuel.
Yes heat pumps are expensive and the house needs to be reasonably well insulated. It might be worth investing in insulation first before new heating.
Oil boilers need extremely little maintenance and it's probably the way to go think carefully because the loading mechanism for pellet boiler stoves is complicated and I don't know how much maintenance it may or may not need or how reliable it is.
Oil would be the cheapest way to go, solid fuel is pretty expensive to run + you got the so much cleaning to do and you can't regulate it and got to have the rads on most of the time when the stove is on.
With Oil you can get some form of regulation even the TRV's for the radiators help.
Heat pump will require new rads, yes and the more rads you have the better, I have large double rads and 2 of them in most rooms but they're old and would need replacing anyway. But heatpump works well the more rads you have.
My house is an 80's Bungalow with Conservatory which sucks heat out of the kitchen dining area so we need to do something about that. Walls were pumped and the attic was converted without raising the roof so insulation up here isn't great and the other part of the attic at the sides is not very accessible the bit that is is a storage area so not ideal, this floor should be raised and more insulation installed in this area.
So not perfect for HP but with a cop of 7 or higher , for ( W2W hp ) the more rads you have the batter the heat transfer the lower the temp the water needs to be and the higher the COP.
Unfortunately for me there aren't many installers of the W2W Heliotherm HP so it's going to be fun to try get them to give me quotes and no doubt it will be expensive, hopefully as I said earlier in the nearer future we might have a Feed-In-tariff and all the excess solar PV can be exported and bought back to run the heatpump, this would make the running of the HP a lot cheaper because currently you can't use all the excess solar and most of that will be when you don't need the hp in the warmer months, except of course to heat water but with Solar PV there's no real need to use the HP in Summer to heat the water.
Anyway I'm sure more people can advise you better on boiler pellet stoves.
Have you got some place to store them in bulk ?
If I were you I'd spend the money on insulation first.0 -
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[Deleted User] wrote: »Yes heat pumps are expensive and the house needs to be reasonably well insulated. It might be worth investing in insulation first before new heating.
Oil boilers need extremely little maintenance and it's probably the way to go think carefully because the loading mechanism for pellet boiler stoves is complicated and I don't know how much maintenance it may or may not need or how reliable it is.
Oil would be the cheapest way to go, solid fuel is pretty expensive to run + you got the so much cleaning to do and you can't regulate it and got to have the rads on most of the time when the stove is on.
With Oil you can get some form of regulation even the TRV's for the radiators help.
Heat pump will require new rads, yes and the more rads you have the better, I have large double rads and 2 of them in most rooms but they're old and would need replacing anyway. But heatpump works well the more rads you have.
My house is an 80's Bungalow with Conservatory which sucks heat out of the kitchen dining area so we need to do something about that. Walls were pumped and the attic was converted without raising the roof so insulation up here isn't great and the other part of the attic at the sides is not very accessible the bit that is is a storage area so not ideal, this floor should be raised and more insulation installed in this area.
So not perfect for HP but with a cop of 7 or higher , for ( W2W hp ) the more rads you have the batter the heat transfer the lower the temp the water needs to be and the higher the COP.
Unfortunately for me there aren't many installers of the W2W Heliotherm HP so it's going to be fun to try get them to give me quotes and no doubt it will be expensive, hopefully as I said earlier in the nearer future we might have a Feed-In-tariff and all the excess solar PV can be exported and bought back to run the heatpump, this would make the running of the HP a lot cheaper because currently you can't use all the excess solar and most of that will be when you don't need the hp in the warmer months, except of course to heat water but with Solar PV there's no real need to use the HP in Summer to heat the water.
Anyway I'm sure more people can advise you better on boiler pellet stoves.
Have you got some place to store them in bulk ?
If I were you I'd spend the money on insulation first.
Thanks . I don't think I can really add more insulation. Insulated slabs on inside walls, artic well insulated, walls were pumped but a while ago. It look like oil is the way to go. Solid fuel is cheap. Cost me only 400 euro a year, but lots of disadvantages with it. Can u regulate the room temp with oil or every time u turn on the rads they are piping hot? I know smb who hears the house with wood pellet boiler stove and delighted with it. I have a shed to store them in. But again dragging them in and out again the same as turf at the moment....the only good thing about the pellet stove is that u can turn it on and off any time, set the temp. Hard to make a decision.0 -
Thanks . I don't think I can really add more insulation. Insulated slabs on inside walls, artic well insulated, walls were pumped but a while ago. It look like oil is the way to go. Solid fuel is cheap. Cost me only 400 euro a year, but lots of disadvantages with it. Can u regulate the room temp with oil or every time u turn on the rads they are piping hot? I know smb who hears the house with wood pellet boiler stove and delighted with it. I have a shed to store them in. But again dragging them in and out again the same as turf at the moment....the only good thing about the pellet stove is that u can turn it on and off any time, set the temp. Hard to make a decision.
I wouldn't rule out HP, if you're in the sticks and have a well then a water to water HP is the way to go but you'd need the company to come out and inspect the house first, you would need a night meter to to avail of the cheap electricity at night. Think about if the energy companies are made to pay consumers for energy to the grid that this could greatly help run the heat pump, depending on how much you would get paid for the energy to the grid + how much they charge to buy back.
Oil is install and forget, yes you can control the heating in each room with TRVs which are valves on the rads that you set to 1-5 usually , usually 3 is fine for living area and 2-2.5 for bedrooms, they're not perfect but probably the best you'll get coming from solid fuel.
Either way it's a lot better way to heat the house if you ask me, coming on in the morning when you need it and evening and off when you don't want it, there's no way I'd have solid fuel as the main heating these days with so much other options.
Pellet stove, I would be afraid if it broke it would take days for someone to come out and fix it, or ages to get parts and how reliable it would be with all the moving parts. As a space heater for the sitting room yes, but I don't think I would do it for main heating.0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »I wouldn't rule out HP, if you're in the sticks and have a well then a water to water HP is the way to go but you'd need the company to come out and inspect the house first, you would need a night meter to to avail of the cheap electricity at night. Think about if the energy companies are made to pay consumers for energy to the grid that this could greatly help run the heat pump, depending on how much you would get paid for the energy to the grid + how much they charge to buy back.
Oil is install and forget, yes you can control the heating in each room with TRVs which are valves on the rads that you set to 1-5 usually , usually 3 is fine for living area and 2-2.5 for bedrooms, they're not perfect but probably the best you'll get coming from solid fuel.
Either way it's a lot better way to heat the house if you ask me, coming on in the morning when you need it and evening and off when you don't want it, there's no way I'd have solid fuel as the main heating these days with so much other options.
Pellet stove, I would be afraid if it broke it would take days for someone to come out and fix it, or ages to get parts and how reliable it would be with all the moving parts. As a space heater for the sitting room yes, but I don't think I would do it for main heating.[/quote
Thanks a lot for ur advice. I was told today in order to apply for a grant for HP I need to get a guy from SEAI to access the house and it will cost 400-600 euro. It's a lot of work to organise it and get it installed. But who will give a guarantee it will be cheaper to run than oil for example? It's hard to know especially for an old house. Probably less hassle to get oil in.0 -
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Thanks a lot for ur advice. I was told today in order to apply for a grant for HP I need to get a guy from SEAI to access the house and it will cost 400-600 euro. It's a lot of work to organise it and get it installed. But who will give a guarantee it will be cheaper to run than oil for example? It's hard to know especially for an old house. Probably less hassle to get oil in.
No harm getting someone out to have a look and give you their opinion on hp, This company that installs the water to water is based in Galway, forget the name now, and the name of the company that makes the HP is Heliotherm, one of the best if not the best manufacturer of heat pumps.
Regarding the BER, I think you can claim part of this with the grant but not sure.
I might re-investigate the HP because we really need to update the heating and I would like to get away from Oil as cheap as oil is atm it probably won't stay that way for more than a year, who knows ?
The issue is for me getting the sales man out from Galway, I had to call them several times and still nothing so I just gave up, it's difficult getting things done in Ireland and especially, done properly.0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »No harm getting someone out to have a look and give you their opinion on hp, This company that installs the water to water is based in Galway, forget the name now, and the name of the company that makes the HP is Heliotherm, one of the best if not the best manufacturer of heat pumps.
Regarding the BER, I think you can claim part of this with the grant but not sure.
I might re-investigate the HP because we really need to update the heating and I would like to get away from Oil as cheap as oil is atm it probably won't stay that way for more than a year, who knows ?
The issue is for me getting the sales man out from Galway, I had to call them several times and still nothing so I just gave up, it's difficult getting things done in Ireland and especially, done properly.
I just googled and rang absolute clever heating ltd, they rang me back very quick, asked for pictures of hot press, plumbing ect and said that can give a quote after that but they r based in Waterford. Do u know smb in Galway who install HP? Can u tell me the advantages of HP Vs oil please? 35 degree of rads doesn't sound very appealing to me. The guy said today no need to change the existing ones...0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »No harm getting someone out to have a look and give you their opinion on hp, This company that installs the water to water is based in Galway, forget the name now, and the name of the company that makes the HP is Heliotherm, one of the best if not the best manufacturer of heat pumps.
Regarding the BER, I think you can claim part of this with the grant but not sure.
I might re-investigate the HP because we really need to update the heating and I would like to get away from Oil as cheap as oil is atm it probably won't stay that way for more than a year, who knows ?
The issue is for me getting the sales man out from Galway, I had to call them several times and still nothing so I just gave up, it's difficult getting things done in Ireland and especially, done properly.
I just googled and rang absolute clever heating ltd, they rang me back very quick, asked for pictures of hot press, plumbing ect and said that can give a quote after that but they r based in Waterford. Do u know smb in Galway who install HP? Can u tell me the advantages of HP Vs oil please? 35 degree of rads doesn't sound very appealing to me. The guy said today no need to change the existing ones...0 -
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I just googled and rang absolute clever heating ltd, they rang me back very quick, asked for pictures of hot press, plumbing ect and said that can give a quote after that but they r based in Waterford. Do u know smb in Galway who install HP? Can u tell me the advantages of HP Vs oil please? 35 degree of rads doesn't sound very appealing to me. The guy said today no need to change the existing ones...
You have two options
1. Replace all your rads with aluminum ones. Expensive
2. Ask them about a high temp heat pump/hybrid
https://airflow.ie/high-temperature-heat-pumps/
You also have hybrid systems
https://www.daikin.ie/en_gb/product-group/hybrid-heat-pump.html
This one is gas but you have oil as well.
Most of these companies will think you know nothing and come in and tell you a load of BS.....you need to nail them on what you want otherwise they will quote to install an entire new heating system0 -
I just googled and rang absolute clever heating ltd, they rang me back very quick, asked for pictures of hot press, plumbing ect and said that can give a quote after that but they r based in Waterford. Do u know smb in Galway who install HP? Can u tell me the advantages of HP Vs oil please? 35 degree of rads doesn't sound very appealing to me. The guy said today no need to change the existing ones...
I never heard of them.
35 degrees is not a lot but they can go higher.
Advantage of oil vs HP ? no need for oil/solid fuel, gas etc, running costs might not be lower to could be lower or could be higher depending on install, electricity cost, dual meter would be essential to avail of the cheap night rate.
+ with HP there is the strong possibility a feed-in-tariff might be offered which would allow anyone with Solar pv or wind turbine to get paid for electricity sent to the grid and buy back when needed. So the potential to install solar PV if this happens is huge, it could greatly reduce energy costs depending on how much solar you can install.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »
Very interesting never heard of this, might take up a lot of space though, I wonder what the COP is ?
Indeed, getting companies to do things right and be honest is a challenge. Not to mention not ripping you off especially if they're the only companies in Ireland with this type of HP.
It would be interesting to start a new thread on this HP.0 -
[Deleted User] wrote: »Very interesting never heard of this, might take up a lot of space though, I wonder what the COP is ?
Indeed, getting companies to do things right and be honest is a challenge. Not to mention not ripping you off especially if they're the only companies in Ireland with this type of HP.
It would be interesting to start a new thread on this HP.
Mitsubishi done one and I got quote for them, would need to go back and look but they seemed decent money. The supplier in Dublin sizes the system and all, I just needed to get installer but they wanted crazy money and I switched to PV instead
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No wonder I couldnt find the Mitsubishi one.......because it was Panasonic :-)
https://www.heatmerchants.ie/panasonic-high-temperature-12kw-monobloc-heat-pump-g-generation-u72265
You also have this system: https://www.nibe.eu/en-eu/products/heat-pumps/air-water-heat-pumps/NIBE-F2040-_-228
That will sit along with your boiler, then you can add in an electric top up to get rid of oil altogether.
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I have no idea what COP is by the way :-)0
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Shefwedfan wrote: »
Cop of 3.08 isn't fantastic is it ? probably be higher if you can get away with 60 or 70 deg if you have more rads in the rooms. Might give higher COP.
Airflow claim up to 60% reduction in running costs. with 3.08 Cop ?
So if you get the 16 Kw
https://www.pmcoppack.com/products/any/daikin-altherma-16kw-single-phase-high-temperature-split-heat-pump-/0012919.html
That would need 5.19 Kw to get 16 out if my calculations are correct ? and that might depend on ambient temp too, they claim down to -25 deg C but how am I or anyone to know what the cop is at any temp ?
5.19 Kw running how many hrs ? though if it heats to 80 deg C you could run it the same as an oil boiler for the same time but this would be on day rate if home most of the day and half that if running on night rate a few hrs.
But if running like say I would for maybe 3 hrs in the morning from 6-9 am cost @7.4 C/Kwh
5.19 Kw x 7.4 cent/Kwh = 38.40 cent per hour x3 hrs = 1 Euro 15 cent
on day rate for say 6 hrs @17.4 cent/ Kwh = 4 .51
So If all this is right then for me = 5.66 per day x 28 days a month or 158,48 PM.
Heat, say October to May ? x 8 months = 1,264 a year over the heating season, now, this is assuming continuous operation of the heat pump not allowing cutting in and out.
If heating to 80 deg C then I assume it's going to be cutting in and out especially as rooms get to temp and trv's switch off ?
If it cuts in and out then this cost would be lower, heating to maybe 60 Deg C could see a good decrease in running costs.
But what would the life of the system be, problems ? expense ?
it costs us around 1500+ a year in Oil anyway over 2 tanks, ok maybe not this year considering Oil but it will still be around 1000-1200.
+ if we get a FIT then solar PV could knock a few hundred a year off the leccy bill.
I might have to upgrade the leccy supply esp if upgrading to 7.4 Kw charging.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »I have no idea what COP is by the way :-)
Cop is measured like this
Cop of 3 means for every 1 KW in 3 out
cop of 5 means 1 Kwh in 5 out.
This is where I got 5 Kw odd to run the hp
12 Kw output 3. something cop, I just divided the cop into the output and got 5.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »You have two options
1. Replace all your rads with aluminum ones. Expensive
2. Ask them about a high temp heat pump/hybrid
https://airflow.ie/high-temperature-heat-pumps/
You also have hybrid systems
https://www.daikin.ie/en_gb/product-group/hybrid-heat-pump.html
This one is gas but you have oil as well.
Most of these companies will think you know nothing and come in and tell you a load of BS.....you need to nail them on what you want otherwise they will quote to install an entire new heating system[/quote
Replacing rads is definitely not an option.
The guy did actually mentioned the hybrid system which is around 5-7 k. Does it take space inside as well? I'm limited with space unfortunately.
Oh, lads, i really don't know what to do as I don't have a clue about HP, afraid to be fooled...I will ask for the quote and see. Do u think I should bury the oil option? It's more straghtforward than HP though.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »You have two options
1. Replace all your rads with aluminum ones. Expensive
2. Ask them about a high temp heat pump/hybrid
https://airflow.ie/high-temperature-heat-pumps/
You also have hybrid systems
https://www.daikin.ie/en_gb/product-group/hybrid-heat-pump.html
This one is gas but you have oil as well.
Most of these companies will think you know nothing and come in and tell you a load of BS.....you need to nail them on what you want otherwise they will quote to install an entire new heating system[/quote
Replacing rads is definitely not an option.
The guy did actually mentioned the hybrid system which is around 5-7 k. Does it take space inside as well? I'm limited with space unfortunately.
Oh, lads, i really don't know what to do as I don't have a clue about HP, afraid to be fooled...I will ask for the quote and see. Do u think I should bury the oil option? It's more straghtforward than HP though.0 -
Oh, lads, i really don't know what to do as I don't have a clue about HP, afraid to be fooled...I will ask for the quote and see. Do u think I should bury the oil option? It's more straghtforward than HP though.
I'm in the same boat the last 2 years, need to upgrade heat not much options, don't want to be conned, ripped off, don't want cowboys etc.
Which pump is best etc etc. It's a head wrecking to be honest.
I think HP is the way to go but depends a lot on cost.0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »You have two options
1. Replace all your rads with aluminum ones. Expensive
2. Ask them about a high temp heat pump/hybrid
https://airflow.ie/high-temperature-heat-pumps/
You also have hybrid systems
https://www.daikin.ie/en_gb/product-group/hybrid-heat-pump.html
This one is gas but you have oil as well.
Most of these companies will think you know nothing and come in and tell you a load of BS.....you need to nail them on what you want otherwise they will quote to install an entire new heating system[/quote
Replacing rads is definitely not an option.
The guy did actually mentioned the hybrid system which is around 5-7 k. Does it take space inside as well? I'm limited with space unfortunately.
Oh, lads, i really don't know what to do as I don't have a clue about HP, afraid to be fooled...I will ask for the quote and see. Do u think I should bury the oil option? It's more straghtforward than HP though.0 -
Replacing rads is definitely not an option.
The guy did actually mentioned the hybrid system which is around 5-7 k. Does it take space inside as well? I'm limited with space unfortunately.
Oh, lads, i really don't know what to do as I don't have a clue about HP, afraid to be fooled...I will ask for the quote and see. Do u think I should bury the oil option? It's more straghtforward than HP though.
Buy a second hand oil boiler: https://www.donedeal.ie/heating-for-sale/firebird-120-oil-burner/24914861?campaign=14
Fire it in and off you go.....0 -
No Condensing boiler 98% efficient ?
That's probably what 70% efficient ?
But compared to the cost of HP I suppose Oil is by far the cheapest.
HP really needs to come down in cost but the installation too, this is a real issue.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »No Condensing boiler 98% efficient ?
That's probably what 70% efficient ?
But compared to the cost of HP I suppose Oil is by far the cheapest.
HP really needs to come down in cost but the installation too, this is a real issue.
The issue is how long will you be allowed to keep an oil boiler? buying a new high efficient one now might not pay off if you have to rip out in 5-10 years time.0 -
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Shefwedfan wrote: »The issue is how long will you be allowed to keep an oil boiler? buying a new high efficient one now might not pay off if you have to rip out in 5-10 years time.
Not going to happen. They can't force People to install new heating systems. They can make the oil more expensive and prevent new installations of oil in new builds but that's about it.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Not going to happen. They can't force People to install new heating systems. They can make the oil more expensive and prevent new installations of oil in new builds but that's about it.
Oh I know but the price of oil been driven up will mean people will have to move. Its a small house, investing in a brand new boiler now might be crazy
Other option is Calour LPG, they stick a tank into the ground and offered a free boiler for a while....it is supposed to be 100% renewable isnt it0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »Oh I know but the price of oil been driven up will mean people will have to move. Its a small house, investing in a brand new boiler now might be crazy
Other option is Calour LPG, they stick a tank into the ground and offered a free boiler for a while....it is supposed to be 100% renewable isnt it
LPG isn't renewable and bottled gas is expensive + rental charge for tank.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »LPG isn't renewable and bottled gas is expensive + rental charge for tank.
They have a new renewable one. It was on the radio not so long ago.
https://www.calorgas.ie/about-us/biolpg
https://www.calorgas.ie/for-home/new-to-lpg/switch-from-solid-fuel
Its not by the bottle. They put a tank into the garden underground. I dont know the full in's and outs of it. I loved my gas connection when in the big City.....:p0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »They have a new renewable one. It was on the radio not so long ago.
https://www.calorgas.ie/about-us/biolpg
https://www.calorgas.ie/for-home/new-to-lpg/switch-from-solid-fuel
Its not by the bottle. They put a tank into the garden underground. I dont know the full in's and outs of it. I loved my gas connection when in the big City.....:p
Still too espensive, they're having a laugh, better off with HP and using night rate electricity + option to install solar PV with future f-i-t.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Still too espensive, they're having a laugh, better off with HP and using night rate electricity + option to install solar PV with future f-i-t.
I agree, but if you dont know HP and are looking at huge investment then you are going either
A. Oil
or in most cases
B. Oil
THis is just an alternative which is renewable so "should" have a longer term solution0 -
Shefwedfan wrote: »I agree, but if you dont know HP and are looking at huge investment then you are going either
A. Oil
or in most cases
B. Oil
THis is just an alternative which is renewable so "should" have a longer term solution
Yeah Oil is the cheapest way to go for now.0 -
We did refurb of a 70s bungalow last year and went for wood pellet boiler. Heat pump was not an option with our insulation. We would have needed external wall insulation and it was just not in our budget with a replumb and rewire needed also, as well as everything else.
We were originally going for oil condenser boiler until we came across a local business that supplies MCZ boiler stoves and we loved the look of them. We were told the running cost would be half of oil too. And our local hardware delivers pellets by the pallet which we store in our shed.
We went for a self cleaning model so we only need to clean out once a week. We time it to come on in the morning and evening but haven't needed it on at all these past couple weeks, and hopefully rest of summer!
It heats the water, but if not using, we use the immersion. It is a quiet model and we have no issue with noise from it.
Will need a service from engineer once a year to maintain but have had no bother with it at all l,hope it stays that way.
Takes a bit of time to get used to and set accordingly if too hot or too cold. But we have no regrets installing into our home.
Hope that helps.0 -
We did refurb of a 70s bungalow last year and went for wood pellet boiler. Heat pump was not an option with our insulation. We would have needed external wall insulation and it was just not in our budget with a replumb and rewire needed also, as well as everything else.
We were originally going for oil condenser boiler until we came across a local business that supplies MCZ boiler stoves and we loved the look of them. We were told the running cost would be half of oil too. And our local hardware delivers pellets by the pallet which we store in our shed.
We went for a self cleaning model so we only need to clean out once a week. We time it to come on in the morning and evening but haven't needed it on at all these past couple weeks, and hopefully rest of summer!
It heats the water, but if not using, we use the immersion. It is a quiet model and we have no issue with noise from it.
Will need a service from engineer once a year to maintain but have had no bother with it at all l,hope it stays that way.
Takes a bit of time to get used to and set accordingly if too hot or too cold. But we have no regrets installing into our home.
Hope that helps.
How big is the hopper on it?0 -
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We did refurb of a 70s bungalow last year and went for wood pellet boiler. Heat pump was not an option with our insulation. We would have needed external wall insulation and it was just not in our budget with a replumb and rewire needed also, as well as everything else.
We were originally going for oil condenser boiler until we came across a local business that supplies MCZ boiler stoves and we loved the look of them. We were told the running cost would be half of oil too. And our local hardware delivers pellets by the pallet which we store in our shed.
We went for a self cleaning model so we only need to clean out once a week. We time it to come on in the morning and evening but haven't needed it on at all these past couple weeks, and hopefully rest of summer!
It heats the water, but if not using, we use the immersion. It is a quiet model and we have no issue with noise from it.
Will need a service from engineer once a year to maintain but have had no bother with it at all l,hope it stays that way.
Takes a bit of time to get used to and set accordingly if too hot or too cold. But we have no regrets installing into our home.
Hope that helps.
Sorry are you talking about the wood pellets boiler stove in the house or a boiler outside?0
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