EB License for towing

liam7831 · 10-09-2017 10:27am #1

Have many on here got this license done?

amacca · 10-09-2017 11:01am

I have it. I resentfully forked over the roughly 500euro it took to get a symbol printed on my licence that allowed me to do what I had been doing accident free for 15 years before that.

The thought of having a trailer confiscated outside a mart by some jobsworth finally got to me.

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 11:08am

liam7831 wrote: »

Have many on here got this license done?

Is it just the category B licence you have?

dzer2 · 10-09-2017 11:14am

Madness and a money racket is all this is.

Got mine when I passed the test way back then.

As far as the theory test goes there are same questions the different sections with different answers.

A neighbour he went and got one as he draws fire wood but takes one of the young lad to help unload the trailer.

Found out yesterday the young lad has to reverse the trailer for him.

lakill Farm · 10-09-2017 11:36am

liam7831 wrote: »

Have many on here got this license done?

Did the test in may 16. Added it to the licence in August 17 and the next day was stopped in a checkpoint and they wanted me to get someone to collect the trailer. . I politely told him to go where the sun doesn't shine it wasn't my fault himself and rest of public service were incompentent . So flashed him the B licence and receipt from the day before showing I had added the E to the licence.

Smug look of the week

Btw on a side note I was under weight of 3500kg and braked trailer but I didn't want to ruin his day to much

dev100 · 10-09-2017 11:53am

As my uncle would say it's no weight carry in pocket . At least Ye have it . It's only when something goes wrong is when its a necessity to have it.

I know people who pull double axle trailers both loader and horse box types as part of their and I've warned them the rsa/cops are clamping down. Ignorance is no defense of the law.

I've seen lads doing crazy speeds with loaded trailers on the motorways here. Nuts

lakill Farm · 10-09-2017 11:55am

dev100 wrote: »

As my uncle would say it's no weight carry in pocket . At least Ye have it . It's only when something goes wrong is when its a necessity to have it.

I know people who pull double axle trailers both loader and horse box types as part of their and I've warned them the rsa/cops are clamping down. Ignorance is no defense of the law.

I've seen lads doing crazy speeds with loaded trailers on the motorways here. Nuts

Some people depending on age were given exemptions.

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 11:58am

lakill Farm wrote: »

Some people depending on age were given exemptions.

If you held a full category B licence before 1989 the entitlement to a full EB was automatic, Here is the article.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/news/deadline-looms-for-assessment-to-reinstate-car-and-trailer-licences-248644.html

liam7831 · 10-09-2017 6:07pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

Is it just the category B licence you have?

Ya have B, C & C1 since approx 2002 so looks like I have to do this silly test

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 6:11pm

liam7831 wrote: »

Ya have B, C & C1 since approx 2002 so looks like I have to do this silly test

Why not go for the artic?

liam7831 · 10-09-2017 6:49pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote:

Why not go for the artic?

Wouldn't use it haven't driven trucks since 2012, but tow car trailers regularly enough

arctictree · 10-09-2017 7:08pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

If you held a full category B licence before 1989 the entitlement to a full EB was automatic, Here is the article.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/news/deadline-looms-for-assessment-to-reinstate-car-and-trailer-licences-248644.html

That just does not make any logical sense.

Have a BE provisional here and have been stopped a number of times and asked to show it.

i know u know · 10-09-2017 7:19pm

Ya did my BE test last week and past first time

Mooooo · 10-09-2017 7:21pm

Do you have to do the 12 lessons and all that in order to get a test in it or can you just apply for the test?

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 7:43pm

liam7831 wrote: »

Wouldn't use it haven't driven trucks since 2012, but tow car trailers regularly enough

You'd kill 2 birds with one stone were you to get it

You'd spend only a few quid more getting it, an instructor would probably advise it for your own benefit.

razor8 · 10-09-2017 8:05pm

arctictree wrote: »

That just does not make any logical sense.

Have a BE provisional here and have been stopped a number of times and asked to show it.

If you have a BE provisional do you no need a passenger with you that has!

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 8:12pm

razor8 wrote: »

If you have a BE provisional do you no need a passenger with you that has!

Yeah you need someone with a full BE licence over 2 years, L plates and extendable mirrors onto the regular mirrors IIRC.

Grueller · 10-09-2017 8:15pm

Have it three years or so now. Was handy enough got tbh. I have been stopped at two checkpoints lately while towing and not been asked to show it. Sods law would say that if I didn't have it I would have been asked for it.

Hard Knocks · 10-09-2017 8:18pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

You'd kill 2 birds with one stone were you to get it

You'd spend only a few quid more getting it, an instructor would probably advise it for your own benefit.

If it was me I'd do the CE.
Anyone pulling a digger on a low loader behind a tractor needs a CE.
Even if you have to get the C too, I know it's additional short term hassle but could be better in the long run

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 8:22pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

If it was me I'd do the CE.
Anyone pulling a digger on a low loader behind a tractor needs a CE.
Even if you have to get the C too, I know it's additional short term hassle but could be better in the long run

That's what i'm telling the OP.

After getting category B, i went off and done C,D & CE in that order, i now have everything but A.

Hard Knocks · 10-09-2017 8:43pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That's what i'm telling the OP.

After getting category B, i went off and done C,D & CE in that order, i now have everything but A.

+1
A woodwork teacher use to quote, good to have in the arse pocket

arctictree · 10-09-2017 10:40pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Yeah you need someone with a full BE licence over 2 years, L plates and extendable mirrors onto the regular mirrors IIRC.

I was stopped and just having the BE provisional was enough.

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 10:46pm

arctictree wrote: »

I was stopped and just having the BE provisional was enough.

Was the cop sound?

I had no issue with some of then when I was on a provisional, others threatened to take the car.

Karangue · 10-09-2017 10:49pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Was the cop sound?

I had no issue with some of then when I was on a provisional, others threatened to take the car.

Lol what weight were you towing with the car!

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 10:56pm

Karangue wrote: »

Lol what weight were you towing with the car!

I had a provisional B licence only in 2005/6

Got my EB with my artic only 2 years ago.

Del2005 · 10-09-2017 10:56pm

arctictree wrote: »

I was stopped and just having the BE provisional was enough.

They are still letting people go when driving unaccompanied for the B permits, but it's not going to last. There's also the fact that you are not insured if you aren't accompanied and with the recent insurance increases I can see the companies reclaiming costs at some stage.

lakill Farm · 10-09-2017 10:57pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Yeah you need someone with a full BE licence over 2 years, L plates and extendable mirrors onto the regular mirrors IIRC.

Extendable mirrors ? I didn't have to have them when I did lessons or the test. It's a box trailer not a caravan behind a fiat panda

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 10:57pm

Del2005 wrote: »

They are still letting people go when driving unaccompanied for the B permits, but it's not going to last. There's also the fact that you are not insured if you aren't accompanied and with the recent insurance increases I can see the companies reclaiming costs at some stage.

Yeah it's getting severely out of hand now between provisional drivers and no insurance.

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 10:58pm

lakill Farm wrote: »

Extendable mirrors ? I didn't have to have them when I did lessons or the test. It's a box trailer not a caravan behind a fiat panda

How long ago did you do the test?

I know of 1 person who did it in a landcruiser this year, she had the lot.

lakill Farm · 10-09-2017 11:03pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

How long ago did you do the test?

I know of 1 person who did it in a landcruiser this year, she had the lot.

Did the test may 2016. And uncle did it a few months back and nothing. L200 I had and Ifor Williams box trailer belonged to the driving instructor and it was 10x5 and had the lift of blocks inside already

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 11:04pm

lakill Farm wrote: »

Did the test may 2016. And uncle did it a few months back and nothing. L200 I had and Ifor Williams box trailer belonged to the driving instructor and it was 10x5 and had the lift of blocks inside already

Tri-axle trailer?

lakill Farm · 10-09-2017 11:05pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Tri-axle trailer?

No. Twin.

I have a 6ft 6 wide cattle trailer here and mirrors on jeep are fine with it even.

boardsuser1 · 10-09-2017 11:08pm

lakill Farm wrote: »

No. Twin.

I have a 6ft 6 wide cattle trailer here and mirrors on jeep are fine with it even.

She's still a bulky trailer, especially at that width.

How do you find the jeep for pulling with cattle on board?

Zr105 · 10-09-2017 11:16pm

Did it earlier in the year, just got the provisional (theory test was recent enough to count) and booked the test the same day, got a date about a month/6weeks later bout L played the night before and loaded up the cattle box with 4inch blocks. Got on ok on the test and passed not much to it test wise really except checking mirrors in an obvious way and often enough for the tester.

Also has anyone actually got proof of this crack that "you need a ce license to move a digger with a tractor" I've never one seen it mentioned on any of the official paper work, be it rsa or statute docs, the sceptic in me thinks it was started as a rumour by truck hauliers getting fed up of lads undercutting them for moving diggers years ago, the same with tri axle trailers, I've never once seen it specifically written. The only real issue with tri axle trailers is the weight as there generally a big trailer that's easily overloaded.

lakill Farm · 10-09-2017 11:21pm

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

She's still a bulky trailer, especially at that width.

How do you find the jeep for pulling with cattle on board?

Twin axle fine. The trailer is demoubtable type but I switched from land rover to demoubtable. I wount be doing a lot of road work really.

L200 grand in front of her for 2.5. Loads of torque.

lakill Farm · 10-09-2017 11:26pm

Zr105 wrote: »

Did it earlier in the year, just got the provisional (theory test was recent enough to count) and booked the test the same day, got a date about a month/6weeks later bout L played the night before and loaded up the cattle box with 4inch blocks. Got on ok on the test and passed not much to it test wise really except checking mirrors in an obvious way and often enough for the tester.

Also has anyone actually got proof of this crack that "you need a ce license to move a digger with a tractor" I've never one seen it mentioned on any of the official paper work, be it rsa or statute docs, the sceptic in me thinks it was started as a rumour by truck hauliers getting fed up of lads undercutting them for moving diggers years ago, the same with tri axle trailers, I've never once seen it specifically written. The only real issue with tri axle trailers is the weight as there generally a big trailer that's easily overloaded.

W licence is tractor and trailer and no weight limit Once the trailer and tractor meets the regulations since Jan 2016.

Also some rule about commercial use of over 100km from your address in a tractor. But that's for commercial tractor tax not agri tractor tax.

Wigster · 10-09-2017 11:55pm

You now need a Public Service Card to apply for the theory test.

11-09-2017 12:04am

Hard Knocks wrote: »

If it was me I'd do the CE.
Anyone pulling a digger on a low loader behind a tractor needs a CE.
Even if you have to get the C too, I know it's additional short term hassle but could be better in the long run

They don't, you only ever need a W for pulling with a tractor. Whoever told you otherwise is taking nonsense.

foxy farmer · 11-09-2017 4:43am

A farce.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jraeh3omkomxi4u/2013-07-07%2015.00.13.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b443sgqhpkxfohx/2015-06-13%2020.46.42-1.jpg?dl=0
Anyone with a full licence can operate the setup in second pic as it's covered under W. Very few ever do the test for W class.
Driving the setup in first pic is illegal without BE.

lakill Farm · 11-09-2017 8:37am

foxy farmer wrote: »

A farce.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jraeh3omkomxi4u/2013-07-07%2015.00.13.jpg?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b443sgqhpkxfohx/2015-06-13%2020.46.42-1.jpg?dl=0
Anyone with a full licence can operate the setup in second pic as it's covered under W. Very few ever do the test for W class.
Driving the setup in first pic is illegal without BE.

Both examples should be illegal. A Land Rover and a John deere

adam14 · 11-09-2017 9:04am

Got it last year. Took two lessons but it really is back to basics and a big inconvenience. Reckon it costs about 500 euro for everything. I too was stopped the first time I went towing after I got it and they looked for it.

arctictree · 11-09-2017 10:44am

Del2005 wrote: »

They are still letting people go when driving unaccompanied for the B permits, but it's not going to last. There's also the fact that you are not insured if you aren't accompanied and with the recent insurance increases I can see the companies reclaiming costs at some stage.

I'm talking about having a full B licence with a provisional BE.

I don't think you need to be accompanied by a full BE licence holder in this scenario. At least guard said I was fine when I was stopped.

boardsuser1 · 11-09-2017 10:51am

arctictree wrote: »

I'm talking about having a full B licence with a provisional BE.

I don't think you need to be accompanied by a full BE licence holder in this scenario. At least guard said I was fine when I was stopped.

You actually do, but this is Ireland, in relation to the cops, they aren't exactly in the news for the right reasons lately.

alps · 11-09-2017 10:53am

Messiah Salty Hairdressing wrote: »

They don't, you only ever need a W for pulling with a tractor. Whoever told you otherwise is taking nonsense.

The classification may be for the usage of the vehicle....are you sure that the W licence extends from agricultural use to industrial use? The difference in diesel usage between agriculture and industrial/haulage is well defined..

Del2005 · 11-09-2017 2:05pm

arctictree wrote: »

I'm talking about having a full B licence with a provisional BE.

I don't think you need to be accompanied by a full BE licence holder in this scenario. At least guard said I was fine when I was stopped.

All learners apart from bikes need to be accompanied

Accompaniment
All learner permit holders, with the exception of those who hold a learner permit in category A1, A2, A, or AM (Mopeds), must be accompanied by a qualified driver at all times while driving. A qualified driver is one who holds a full licence for a continuous period of two years in respect of the vehicle category being driven by the learner permit holder.

No offence to our Gadaí but a lot of them have no idea of the law, they are still telling people that they need a 4x4 to tow a twin axle trailer.

11-09-2017 2:35pm

alps wrote: »

The classification may be for the usage of the vehicle....are you sure that the W licence extends from agricultural use to industrial use? The difference in diesel usage between agriculture and industrial/haulage is well defined..

Classification is for the class of vehicle not for usage. I want to drive a trunk for private use I still need a C licence. You only ever need a W licence to drive a tractor regardless of usage as there is no mechanism to require any other type of licence.

As for diesel usage, you will travel a long way around the country before you find a tractor used for construction etc running on white diesel. Any builder I have worked with/had dealings with all ran their tractors on green. I've even gone through a customs check point myself hauling an excavator and was waved straight through without a second thought (I was driving for a builder and the tractor was running on green).

lefthooker · 11-09-2017 3:46pm

Have a 12"x5"10 for the jeep here and a tractor trailer if I have bigger numbers to shift. So I've looked into the rigeraramole of getting the trailer license and
1) I have to get to a public service card to apply for the theory test
2) take and hopefully pass said test
3) apply for provisional license
4) pay for lessons for something that I've been doing for 20 years
5) take the full test.
Sounds incredibly like a money racket to me but I don't fancy the hassle of being stopped or lectured. So I bit the bullet.......
And bought a ball pin for the tractor drawbar.

The 20km jaunt to the factory only takes half an hour, 5 mins longer than by jeep and there's never any fear of the trailer throwing the tractor around. Also burns way less diesel when there's 4 bullocks or cows jumping around the trailer. I now prefer a tractor for a live load.

11-09-2017 3:53pm

lefthooker wrote: »

Have a 12"x5"10 for the jeep here and a tractor trailer if I have bigger numbers to shift. So I've looked into the rigeraramole of getting the trailer license and
1) I have to get to a public service card to apply for the theory test
2) take and hopefully pass said test
3) apply for provisional license
4) pay for lessons for something that I've been doing for 20 years
5) take the full test.
Sounds incredibly like a money racket to me but I don't fancy the hassle of being stopped or lectured. So I bit the bullet.......
And bought a ball pin for the tractor drawbar.

The 20km jaunt to the factory only takes half an hour, 5 mins longer than by jeep and there's never any fear of the trailer throwing the tractor around. Also burns way less diesel when there's 4 bullocks or cows jumping around the trailer. I now prefer a tractor for a live load.

You don't need to get any lessons unless you want to.

lefthooker · 11-09-2017 3:57pm

Messiah Salty Hairdressing wrote: »

You don't need to get any lessons unless you want to.

Oh right. Didn't know that. I was told different by the NDLS when I inquired.

11-09-2017 4:12pm

lefthooker wrote: »

Oh right. Didn't know that. I was told different by the NDLS when I inquired.

If you have a B licence there is no requirement for lessons to sit a EB test. You also don't need to resit the theory test if you already did it though I guess if you are driving over 20 years you wouldn't have sat it already.

That's not to say its not a pain to have to do it even if its just a matter of sitting the test as in my case as I have the theory test as it just came in when I was applying for my W licence at 16 (about 16 years ago). Especially as I've been pulling all sorts of trailers for years (both with cars/vans/jeeps and tractors)

lefthooker · 11-09-2017 4:26pm

Messiah Salty Hairdressing wrote: »

If you have a B licence there is no requirement for lessons to sit a EB test. You also don't need to resit the theory test if you already did it though I guess if you are driving over 20 years you wouldn't have sat it already.

That's not to say its not a pain to have to do it even if its just a matter of sitting the test as in my case as I have the theory test as it just came in when I was applying for my W licence at 16 (about 16 years ago). Especially as I've been pulling all sorts of trailers for years (both with cars/vans/jeeps and tractors)

Same here. Been pulling all size trailers and machinery behind jeeps and tractors.

There was no theory test when I got the B license. What I hate about the theory test is I can pass today and fail tomorrow by a mark or two because the same questions can have multiple equally correct answers. And it's never the logical one

EB License for towing

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