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Rónán Mullen tops poll and re-elected to Senate

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    #122
    Salary Negotiator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    Geuze wrote: »
    Previously there were 30 chasing the 3 seats, in 2016?

    This time 19 for 3 seats.

    But practically all of the 19 were:

    SJW / sociology lecturers / community activists / etc.

    Nobody like Padraig O Ceidigh / Norris / Feargal Quinn / etc.

    Even though there were 19 candidates, i struggled to choose even three prefs.

    I was the same, I knew who I was my number 1 and my number 19 but I found most of the rest to be very similar.

    A very uninspired bunch.


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    #123
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,703 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Water John wrote: »
    Mullen doesn't do anything outside his core belief issues.

    Just like Ruth Coppinger so.


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    #124
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    It good to hear other opinions even if you don't agree with very much they say
    Someone obviously hasn't tried to wade through all the unsubstantiated bullcrap in the coronavirus threads..


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    #125
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Best wishes to him and other winners.


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    #126
    Mortelaro
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    GLaDOS wrote: »
    Only 34% turnout I read. A lot of people just don't care about the Seanad.

    Its a postal vote in the middle of the current crisis making a usually low turn out lower
    I voted number one for Ruth Coppinger by the way, despite disagreeing with a lot of her policies but I like her as a person and she does a lot of good work behind the scenes genuinely helping people out


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    #127
    BarryD2
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    Geuze wrote: »
    http://www.nui.ie/elections/seanadelection2020/Results/Count1ResultsSE2020.pdf

    Electorate = 112,216
    Valid poll = 38,000 approx

    Yes, I saw that later on. So he got c 9,000 votes, approx 1 in 4 of the valid poll or about 8% of the entire registered NUI electorate.

    I guess the question then is how many graduates of NUI are entitled to be on that register? I think UCD quotes about 280,000 alumni and they likely are the biggest. So say we estimate 600,000 alumni across the various NUI institutions, Mullen in this case got about 1.5% of the potential electorate.

    Given abt 30,000 is annual death rate in Ireland, over 50 years say that would be 1.5 million - so you could say that 600,000 alumni represents a total population of abt 6 million? Abt 1 in 10 are graduates? Sounds high?

    On that basis, Mullen topped the poll on abt 0.0015% of the possible no of citizens over 50 years.

    Hmm.. I suppose that gives some sort of measure, if imperfect!


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    #128
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Yes, I saw that later on. So he got c 9,000 votes, approx 1 in 4 of the valid poll or about 8% of the entire registered NUI electorate.

    I guess the question then is how many graduates of NUI are entitled to be on that register? I think UCD quotes about 280,000 alumni and they likely are the biggest. So say we estimate 600,000 alumni across the various NUI institutions, Mullen in this case got about 1.5% of the potential electorate.

    Given abt 30,000 is annual death rate in Ireland, over 50 years say that would be 1.5 million - so you could say that 600,000 alumni represents a total population of abt 6 million? Abt 1 in 10 are graduates? Sounds high?

    On that basis, Mullen topped the poll on abt 0.0015% of the possible no of citizens over 50 years.

    Hmm.. I suppose that gives some sort of measure, if imperfect!

    He topped the poll next, Ruthy may look for a new job.


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    #129
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,551 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I think he's a clown with some pretty weird views, but he got in, so either people want those views represented, or else he just played the game better than others. People can say it's undemocratic (and it is) but everybody knows the rules before it starts.

    I can't say I've heard a single thing about him since the abortion referendum, and before that, the SSM referendum. I could say the same about any other senator too, I don't think I could name more than 5 off the top of my head.

    The worst thing about the Seanad (for me) is how the big parties use it as a consolation prize to keep politicians warm who failed to get elected as a TD.


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    #130
    Thelonious Monk
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    The guy is a total oddball weirdo. I can't believe we're paying him a ridiculous salary for doing basically nothing. But sure we voted to keep this farce.


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    #131
    Water John
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    I think he went some way to training in the priesthood. I've found in life that many who do that have very trenchant views and believe everyone else should think likewise, whatever their views.


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    #132
    Snow Garden
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    It disgusts me that he keeps getting elected. He is a vile man imho. He is a consistent liar too.

    How's the Seanad reform going Fine Gael??? Total waste of money.


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    #133
    granturismo
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    Water John wrote: »
    I think he went some way to training in the priesthood. ...

    I dont think he went to a seminary. He did a post grad in journalism, lectured in Blanch IoT, worked as press secretary for the Dublin Archdiocese, qualified as a barrister. I'm not a fan of his, there were no stand out candidates on the NUI panel for me.

    He had the benefit of being one of the only sitting senators and had a reasonable public profile.


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    #134
    collywobble7
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    BarryD2 wrote:
    The only possible explanations I can think of are a) graduates of the National University of Ireland are far more conservative than the rest of society and/ or more likely b) only the religious conservative graduates bother voting.


    Man doesn't agree with killing babies ...hence man is bad..I'm not sure I get your logic


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    #135
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Having being shown the road by the wise people of Dublin West it is good to see the intelligentsia voters do the same to ex Deputy Coppinger.
    We have enough loopers feeding out of the trough without her getting her head in.


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    #136
    blackwhite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,476 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Mullen's continual re-election is an example of vote and candidate management by the religious right.

    There's never a competing candidate that shares his platform, so he's sure not to split the St Pat's vote or the rest of the pro-life, anti-marriage equality, hardcore Catholic vote.


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    #137
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Water John wrote: »
    I think he went some way to training in the priesthood. I've found in life that many who do that have very trenchant views and believe everyone else should think likewise, whatever their views.

    In my neck of the woods ex seminarians tend to be very ilreligious and non orthodox if religious but I wouldn't want to generalise too much.


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    #138
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Timmy Dooley gone.Kaboom.


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    #139
    elperello
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    The guy is a total oddball weirdo. I can't believe we're paying him a ridiculous salary for doing basically nothing. But sure we voted to keep this farce.

    I didn't vote for him but the he got elected, end of story.

    He is as entitled to the 60k pa as any other person elected.

    Not sure having an upper house needs to be a farce. Reform is a better option.


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    #140
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Timmy Dooley gone.Kaboom.

    Ah Dimmy Tooley.


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    #141
    Pherekydes
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    collywobble7 wrote: »
    Man doesn't agree with killing babies ...hence man is bad..I'm not sure I get your logic

    And who does agree with killing babies?


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    #142
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,270 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I wouldn't consider myself a right winger but I have time for some right wingers like David Quinn for example.

    Mullen on the other hand I find hard to listen to. He's so aloof and that puts me off.


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    #143
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I wouldn't consider myself a right winger but I have time for some right wingers like David Quinn for example.

    Mullen on the other hand I find hard to listen to. He's so aloof and that puts me off.

    He isnt as charismatic as Quinn so I know what you mean but his arguments are not patronising or pompous. I recall him being slammed for allegedly smiling during an abortion hearing. The most insincere form of hatch job journalism. Not a peep about the inhumanity of people jostling in joy in Collins Barracks after the repeal passed. One rule for them, another for us.


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    #144
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    And who does agree with killing babies?

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Killing Babies


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    #145
    keano_afc
    Registered Users Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    I'm delighted Mullen got elected again. He takes an incredible amount of abuse from those who accuse him of intolerance.

    I saw the video Coppinger made urging people not to vote for him. Imagine if the roles were reversed and Mullen did that. We'd have every quango up in arms and the Journal would be running article after article about it. Seeing her kicked out on her arse for the second time in space of two months is glorious.


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    #146
    AllForIt
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    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    He isnt as charismatic as Quinn so I know what you mean but his arguments are not patronising or pompous. I recall him being slammed for allegedly smiling during an abortion hearing. The most insincere form of hatch job journalism. Not a peep about the inhumanity of people jostling in joy in Collins Barracks after the repeal passed. One rule for them, another for us.

    I don't have that much experience of him to be fair but I do recall him saying once 'ppl are voting for xxx because they think it's totally right-on '. I don't recall which issue but that is certainly a patronizing comment if ever there was one and it wasn't even an argument. Plus, he always talks in a somewhat hysterical manner as if he's feeling 'i can't believe I have to say this you stupid people'. And I'm not even criticizing any of his individuals opinions, it's his manner I find unattractive.


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    Edgware
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    keano_afc wrote: »
    I'm delighted Mullen got elected again. He takes an incredible amount of abuse from those who accuse him of intolerance.

    I saw the video Coppinger made urging people not to vote for him. Imagine if the roles were reversed and Mullen did that. We'd have every quango up in arms and the Journal would be running article after article about it. Seeing her kicked out on her arse for the second time in space of two months is glorious.
    Indeed. We wont have to listen to her whining.


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    #148
    Annasopra
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    BarryD2 wrote: »
    http://www.nui.ie/about/structure.asp

    UCD, UCC, UCG etc? Graduates of these surely would vastly outnumber Maynooth seminarians.

    You dont automatically get registered to vote as a graduate

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #149
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,799 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Ronan Mullen is absolutely nothing like David Norris.

    Ah you never know

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #150
    Geuze
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    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    I recall him being slammed for allegedly smiling during an abortion hearing. The most insincere form of hatch job journalism. Not a peep about the inhumanity of people jostling in joy in Collins Barracks after the repeal passed. One rule for them, another for us.

    My mother still can't get over this.

    They had a party to celebrate abortion!!!!


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    uck51js9zml2yt
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    An undemocratic, yuppy, mickey mouse institution.

    Which we democratically voted on keeping.


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