Man gives little scrote a smack of a hurl and gets 4 year sentence?

v638sg7k1a92bx · 11-10-2019 8:02pm #1

Anyone see this today. Judges hand out lenient sentences to these gougers every day but when someone strikes back they get a 4 year sentence.

This a classic example of where community policing falls down. How many times do people have to complain about groups of feral kids and the Gardaí do nothing but when someone finally strikes back out of frustration the the law comes down on them like a tonne of bricks.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-fractured-teenagers-skull-with-hurley-in-revenge-attack-has-sentence-increased-38585776.html

milehip · 11-10-2019 8:03pm

Jensen Enough Pinhead wrote: »

Anyone see this today. Judges hand out lenient sentences to these gougers every day but when someone strikes back they get a 4 year sentence.

This a classic example of where community policing falls down. How many times do people have to complain about groups of feral kids and the Gardaí do nothing but when someone finally strikes back out of frustration the the law comes down on them like a tonne of bricks.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-fractured-teenagers-skull-with-hurley-in-revenge-attack-has-sentence-increased-38585776.html

A smack that resulted in a fractured skull tho?

11-10-2019 8:05pm

The teenager "suffered a depressed skull fracture in the assault and underwent an emergency operation. He was referred to the National Rehabilitation Hospital for treatment for this injury". His speech is now under-developed as a result.

There was no mitigation of self-defence.

Are you kidding, here? I'd have given him longer.

Purple Mountain · 11-10-2019 8:06pm

Perp is 35. Victim is 16.
He followed the kid to hit him in head.
We can't have vigilantes.

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-10-2019 8:06pm

Running out of a house swinging a Hurley is not the way to handle a situation like that

champchamp · 11-10-2019 8:07pm

If someone swung a plank at me, I'd be swinging back with a hurl...

moonlighting_1 · 11-10-2019 8:07pm

wrote:

He said the proper approach would have been to speak to the boys in a peaceful manner, and if that didn’t work, to call the gardaí.

lol
bunch of nacks damage your car and the judge recommends to go out and have a peaceful chat.
What planet are our judges from.

BorneTobyWilde · 11-10-2019 8:08pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Running out of a house swinging a Hurley is not the way to handle a situation like that

Yea, best way is

Earleybird · 11-10-2019 8:09pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

His speech is now under-developed as a result.

So no difference to how he was before

Strumms · 11-10-2019 8:09pm

It’s probably proportional though, a fractured skull is no laughing matter, it’s a very serious assault. Scrotes they might be but that kind of assault is not a proportional reaction.

11-10-2019 8:10pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Running out of a house swinging a Hurley is not the way to handle a situation like that

Sometimes it's the only way.
I have a 15 year old son and hed never be in a situation where he is hassling people.
Also if there was one hassling me id take the same approach. I've lived in rough estates..biggest sxumbags going. This is the only language they know. Otheriwise your life will be so stressful and problem after problem.

EmmetSpiceland · 11-10-2019 8:10pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

There was no mitigation of self-defence.

The kid did take a swing at him with a “plank” but missed. Not condoning it but there’s an element of self-defence there.

I dunno, if this had happened down the country the guy would be hailed as a hero. Like someone who shoots dead a traveller or knocks the eye out of a “peeler”.

JohnnyFlash · 11-10-2019 8:12pm

Beating a fella around the head is part and parcel of Galway club hurling.

LuasSimon · 11-10-2019 8:14pm

What are people supposed to do , let scumbags destroy your car outside your house .
The judges in Ireland really are on the scumbags side

11-10-2019 8:15pm

Earleybird wrote: »

So no difference to how he was before

He's a kid, dude. He was 16 years of age at the time, 21 now. His brain hasn't finished developing, and in certain respects it probably won't develop. He's suffered a brain injury because someone flew into a rage, without any defence of self-defence. If you think that's acceptable, fair enough; I think most reasonable people would be distraught to know they'd caused that kind of damage to someone. I'm sure both parties feel pretty distraught and regretful; nobody has won anything.

major bill · 11-10-2019 8:17pm

moonlighting_1 wrote: »

lol
bunch of nacks damage your car and the judge recommends to go out and have a peaceful chat.
What planet are our judges from.

Sounds like they have never set foot in crumlin! Gang of young lads acting the bollox , go out and talking woulda given him a hiding!

touts · 11-10-2019 8:17pm

If the scrote had a better aim with the plank and smashed the man's skull he wouldn't serve a day in jail. The criminal justice industry in Ireland makes money by keeping scrotes on the street repeat offending and earning more money for the industry. A lad loses control once and is unlikely to reoffend. Well there is no more money to be made from him so it's off to jail with him.

Should he be jailed. Probably yes. But a properly functioning justice system rather than a justice industry would have scrotes either in jail or terrified to stick their noses out from their lairs.

Grandeeod · 11-10-2019 8:17pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

What are people supposed to do , let scumbags destroy your car outside your house .
The judges in Ireland really are on the scumbags side

Judges in Ireland live in a different world to most of us, hence the revolving door legal system when it comes to trash bags. It's not a recent thing either.

debok · 11-10-2019 8:18pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

The kid did take a swing at him with a “plank” but missed. Not condoning it but there’s an element of self-defence there.

I dunno, if this had happened down the country the guy would be hailed as a hero. Like someone who shoots dead a traveller or knocks the eye out of a “peeler”.

If twas down the country the man would have been cleverer and bided his time and give young fella few slaps when noone else about

11-10-2019 8:18pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

The kid did take a swing at him with a “plank” but missed. Not condoning it but there’s an element of self-defence there.

Where does the self-defence arise? The young-lad missed. Grand, be angry, lose the rag. But don't fracture his skull. That's not self defence, that's just revenge. And tbh it's fairly brutal.

John_Rambo · 11-10-2019 8:22pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Perp

:pac:

super_furry · 11-10-2019 8:23pm

A smack of a hurl?

He chased him down and caved his head in.

EmmetSpiceland · 11-10-2019 8:24pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Where does the self-defence arise? The young-lad missed. Grand, be angry, lose the rag. But don't fracture his skull. That's not self defence, that's just revenge. And tbh it's fairly brutal.

I did say I didn’t condone it but just because he missed doesn’t remove his “intent”.

The guy with the hurl was incredibly stupid to be swinging for the head. He could have thought the kid a lesson with a decent “pull” across the back legs, or even arms.

end of the road · 11-10-2019 8:25pm

LuasSimon wrote: »

What are people supposed to do , let scumbags destroy your car outside your house .
The judges in Ireland really are on the scumbags side

they aren't.
serious assalt is a no no and quite rightly so this individual is locked up for the good and protection of society.
he should have got 12 to 15 years tbh.

Gatling · 11-10-2019 8:26pm

The judge

He said the proper approach would have been to speak to the boys in a peaceful manner, and if that didn’t work, to call the gardaí.

Sorry judge your an idiot it's likely he would have ended up on the ground seriously injured by a gang of feral teenagers if not worse who would never see the inside of a court.

This **** head made a decision to get involved with damaging someone else's property and then tried to attack the owner with a plank of wood ,

People need to stand up to these feral dragged up ****heads if it takes a single smack or several smacks of a hurl so be it ,they will learn quick enough

Hal3000 · 11-10-2019 8:28pm

Criminals and scrotes are protected in Ireland, this should come as no real surprise.

paska · 11-10-2019 8:29pm

I work in Retail. I deal with these little fkuckers every day. They have no respect for their parents, no respect for the guards and no respect for anyone outside their group. The only respect they recieve is from ancient judges in our court system who have lost touch with reality.

No pity for the litte Sh1t.

AllForIt · 11-10-2019 8:30pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Running out of a house swinging a Hurley is not the way to handle a situation like that

No, that part he got right.

Bigboldworld · 11-10-2019 8:34pm

It’s a tough one, what are you supposed to do in situations like this, what I’ve learned over the years is that basically you have to sit and take it, there is very very rarely any support from guards in instances like this you are on your own, they may show 4 hours later or may not show at all, i do think the judges comment about talking to them is laughable.

About ten years ago I had a problem with youths outside my house, i took the judges route of talking to them they told me they would be back to slice me up and kill my dog, in i went, approx 4am that morning my front and porch windows were put in with rocks, talking to them really did the job. There are no winners here, you confront with violence you will lose one way or another, guards are useless in cases like this.

11-10-2019 8:41pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I did say I didn’t condone it but just because he missed doesn’t remove his “intent”.

The guy with the hurl was incredibly stupid to be swinging for the head. He could have thought the kid a lesson with a decent “pull” across the back legs, or even arms.

The young pup (injured) intended to do serious damage, by knocking your man out with a plank. That's very clear.

But he didn't succeed. What would you, a civilised individual, do in that situation? You'd probably call him, and his mother, every name under the sun; you'd probably belt him across the ankles. I seriously doubt you, Emmet, would strike him on the head with a hurl. That's completely beyond the pale, in terms of acceptable behaviour. You do not give someone brain damage out of revenge.

Bobblehats · 11-10-2019 8:55pm

I know that fella. Didn’t realise he was into the hurlin that’s news to me

Redneck Reject · 11-10-2019 9:07pm

I'd rather take a hit on my insurance premium than a prison sentence.

Fr. Pat Noise · 11-10-2019 9:21pm

Whats this they say, I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I see this regularly, a gang of say about 10 scummers in track suits etc. hanging around at the front of other peoples houses causing hassle. They think no one can do anything to them because they are minors so they think they can threaten adults with violence, vandalism etc. In this case yer man did what we’d all like to do and it went a bit far. A white van, balaclavas and baseball bats is all these scumbags understand.

riemann · 11-10-2019 9:30pm

Poor bastard.

Having a nice day visiting his parents and now (because we have unlimited child benefit) his life is changed forever.

The sooner all these old judges move on the better, live in a completely different world to the rest of us.

Judge probably couldn't relate to the car incident, given he commutes using the gravy train.

yesto24 · 11-10-2019 9:31pm

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Perp is 35. Victim is 16.
He followed the kid to hit him in head.
We can't have vigilantes.

Why can't we have vigilantes? I know it would not be a perfect system but what we have now doesn't work.
Can you suggest a system to use?

yesto24 · 11-10-2019 9:34pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

He's a kid, dude. He was 16 years of age at the time, 21 now. His brain hasn't finished developing, and in certain respects it probably won't develop. He's suffered a brain injury because someone flew into a rage, without any defence of self-defence. If you think that's acceptable, fair enough; I think most reasonable people would be distraught to know they'd caused that kind of damage to someone. I'm sure both parties feel pretty distraught and regretful; nobody has won anything.

He was 16. Old enough to know not to be damaging cars and old enough not to be swinging a plank at someone defending their property. I am not saying he deserved a cracked skull but he was old enough to be able to foresee that there may be consequences for actions.

Wayne Jarvis · 11-10-2019 10:09pm

I fúcking loathe little feral scumbag scrote youths with a passion. I feel for the guy Alan visiting his parents here not the little cúnt as cold as that may sound. Imagine trying to have a peaceful conversation with 20 of them? Imagine ringing the Guard and the Guards actually came? All that would hapen then would be Alan's parents would be terrorised by these vermin and nothing would be done about it. I've had a few incidents with little prícks like these and they are all the same. They dress the same, talk the same, look the same and all act the same.

There was an incident where I lived a few years ago in which a 16 year old scummer had 3 of his fingers cut off which I will link to below and the media tried to talk about how he was a poor innocent victim when actually he was and still is a complete waste of human life dirtbag pig cúnt, just like the rest of these scrotes. The people that say he is just a child and nobody deserves things like this are wrong in my opinion. As has been pointed out by the age of 5 any person knows not to purposefully break other people's things, not to purposefully rob things, not to purposefully harm others physically, not to purposefully try to intimidate others.
Actions like these boys committed are supposed to have consequences but they don't for far too many of them, so when something like this happens I would like to think that the ones who didn't get hit with a hurley will learn a lesson from it and change their ways but the sad reality is they won't.

I understand how cold all that sounds but I grew up around scum like these and I still see scum like this regularly. It's easy to not be like them but they want to be cúnts and then blame the area where they came from. I don't blame the same areas for me never being like them.

https://www.thejournal.ie/boy-has-fingers-cut-off-in-clondalkin-attack-1521755-Jun2014/

Strumms · 11-10-2019 10:15pm

Gatling wrote: »

The judge

He said the proper approach would have been to speak to the boys in a peaceful manner, and if that didn’t work, to call the gardaí.

Sorry judge your an idiot it's likely he would have ended up on the ground seriously injured by a gang of feral teenagers if not worse who would never see the inside of a court.

This **** head made a decision to get involved with damaging someone else's property and then tried to attack the owner with a plank of wood ,

People need to stand up to these feral dragged up ****heads if it takes a single smack or several smacks of a hurl so be it ,they will learn quick enough

The judge is a ****wît for saying that in fairness. It’s all very well speaking to your neighbor who is playing music too loud in a peaceful manner but not these scrotes...call your local Gardai end of.

Still waters · 11-10-2019 10:20pm

Pity he didn't kill the little cnut

11-10-2019 10:26pm

It's like in sports, the retaliation gets punished more than the original scumbaggery.

votecounts · 11-10-2019 10:27pm

You can't go round hitting children regardless what they do. He should have known better

Jerry Atrick · 11-10-2019 10:31pm

Castrate the little scumbag...only way to stop the cycle.

P_1 · 11-10-2019 10:34pm

See his mistake was going for the head. A few crushed balls would have been a better deterrent

Bobblehats · 11-10-2019 10:39pm

It’s unfortunate you know?

He probably went out, with the hurl to ward him off but after damaging the car the young fella then had the nerve to pick up a plank and start swingin it and so the old red mist came down. Resulting in a pretty sh!t set of circumstances but if any good can come from it maybe it’ll serve as a deterrent in future.

10pennymixup · 11-10-2019 10:44pm

Down our way there is an old saying in respect to little toerags acting the cnut

" he should be brought up the back fields and taught how to play hurl without the sliothar".

Not ideal but sometimes the old ways were the best with certain people

Tuco88 · 11-10-2019 10:51pm

If he hit him in the leg or the ribs... Going for the head is intending to do serious damage tho. Like kicking a fella on the deck.

I grew up in a tough area too. He had a plank I bet ya sone of his buddys are carring knifes also. Scum only know the stick, fear no cops no respect. So lay it into em.

The Oort Cloud · 11-10-2019 11:05pm

Ahh, this is the problem here quoted below. When the person at his mothers house was almost hit with the plank of wood, he should not have followed the scumbag a distance and then hit the scumbag, this was his downfall. The gang moved a distance away so the jury saw that he was no longer in danger.

If the incident had stopped there, Judge O’Sullivan said there would have been no problem, but Curtis followed Mr McClelland some distance and hit him with the hurley.
He said the jury had taken the view that Curtis was no longer defending himself but “had engaged in an act of revenge” by the time he hit the injured party.

Either way the scrote deserved a hiding.

Mr Justice Patrick McCarthy said the proper approach would have been to speak to the boys in a peaceful manner

That judge is not living in the real world, he is an idiot in my opinion. These scumbags do not understand the words peace or peaceful.

Sunny Disposition · 11-10-2019 11:06pm

He overreacted but the sentence is way too severe.

If the young fella hadn’t been firstly attacking his property or then attacking him, he’d have been okay. I think the defendant is unlucky here.

end of the road · 11-10-2019 11:12pm

riemann wrote: »

Poor bastard.

Having a nice day visiting his parents and now (because we have unlimited child benefit) his life is changed forever.

The sooner all these old judges move on the better, live in a completely different world to the rest of us.

Judge probably couldn't relate to the car incident, given he commutes using the gravy train.

judges can only implement sentences based on the laws and guidelines.
judges generally don't implement light sentences for the hell of it, higher sentences aren't available.

yesto24 wrote: »

Why can't we have vigilantes? I know it would not be a perfect system but what we have now doesn't work.
Can you suggest a system to use?

because vigilantes are thick and incompetent.

Idbatterim · 11-10-2019 11:24pm

Farce. What was the sentence for the damaged car ? Hopefully his brain acts a bit slower now , the scumbag I mean and it will make it harder to commit crimes ...

What should he have done ? Rang the guards ? Lol! Lol!

The land of scrotes and scum!

andekwarhola · 11-10-2019 11:31pm

16 year old is a kid technically, but many are more than capable of beating up an adult. And capable of regulating their behaviour.

Unfortunate in a sense what happened to the kid, but go around trying to intimidate people and swinging planks at them and sh1t can happen.

Man gives little scrote a smack of a hurl and gets 4 year sentence?

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