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Why was T2 at DUB not reserved for CTA flights?

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  • 10-10-2019 6:02pm
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    TK Lemon
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    Flights within Ireland, the UK and Channel Islands accounts for a significant percentage of traffic in and out of DUB. If this terminal was reserved specifically for those flights, those passengers could circumvent immigration queues.

    When Mr Lemon and I flew to LCY, it was marvellous being able to step off the plane on the other side.


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    Beechwoodspark
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    TK Lemon wrote: »
    Flights within Ireland, the UK and Channel Islands accounts for a significant percentage of traffic in and out of DUB. If this terminal was reserved specifically for those flights, those passengers could circumvent immigration queues.

    When Mr Lemon and I flew to LCY, it was marvellous being able to step off the plane on the other side.

    T2 is air Lingus only. Don’t hold your breath for any change on that


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    L1011
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    Because no airline would be willing to split operations like that.


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    salmocab
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    T2 is air Lingus only. Don’t hold your breath for any change on that

    No it’s not


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    TK Lemon
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    L1011 wrote: »
    Because no airline would be willing to split operations like that.

    What do you mean by that?
    Why would that be a logistical difficulty? What’s wrong with having an airline operating out of two different terminals?


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    L1011
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    TK Lemon wrote: »
    What’s wrong with having an airline operating out of two different terminals?

    Everything.

    Duplication of checkin desks, duplication of baggage systems, duplication of staff.

    Aer Lingus do it (and even then, they use only one terminal for checkin, bags etc) because they're too big for one terminal. Norwegian do (soon to be did) it because they wanted CBP. But no other airline will do it willingly.

    For an airline that does both CTA and non CTA - which at various times has been nearly all of the CTA ones (Aer Lingus and Ryanair currently, BA in summer often, Cityjet and Aer Arann when independent - only Loganair, Flybe and the extremely brief presence of Minoan come to mind as not having done so) - it would bring in costs and complexities for minimal gain.


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    goingnowhere
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    It only matters for arrivals, at T2 it would be trivial to just let incoming CTA into the departures area and provide an one way exit to baggage hall (some construction needed). Same thing at T1.

    Easy stuff, you got to ask why not?


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    TK Lemon
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    L1011 wrote: »
    Everything.

    Duplication of checkin desks, duplication of baggage systems, duplication of staff.

    Aer Lingus do it (and even then, they use only one terminal for checkin, bags etc) because they're too big for one terminal. Norwegian do (soon to be did) it because they wanted CBP. But no other airline will do it willingly.

    For an airline that does both CTA and non CTA - which at various times has been nearly all of the CTA ones (Aer Lingus and Ryanair currently, BA in summer often, Cityjet and Aer Arann when independent - only Loganair, Flybe and the extremely brief presence of Minoan come to mind as not having done so) - it would bring in costs and complexities for minimal gain.


    Is duplication of services not already done in other European cities in the Schengen Zone where the same airlines would operate both intra-Schengen and ex-Schengen flights with the same airlines in the same airport?


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    Strumms
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    T2 was designed for narrow body and widebody operations. For feeder aircraft to take up a stand utilized by narrow body aircraft the narrow body has to be accommodated elsewhere, meaning a longer walk for more people, meaning maybe a non contact stand where those more people need to walk across the ramp, in the wet, etc.... makes no sense to inconvenience 180 passengers to convenience 60.


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    alancostello
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    TK Lemon wrote: »
    Is duplication of services not already done in other European cities in the Schengen Zone where the same airlines would operate both intra-Schengen and ex-Schengen flights with the same airlines in the same airport?

    Nope, the way it's typically done at EU airports is that zones of a terminal are Schengen or non-Schengen, everyone goes through security and duty-free/shops together and then you go to your gate or you go through passport control at that point and get to your non-Schengen gate.


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    alancostello
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    The smart thing to do at DUB would be to do something like what Heathrow has done at T2 (for Aer Lingus) and at T5 (for BA), if you land at LHR from an Irish airport you get off the plane and go in to a separate corridor that brings you out past passport control. That same gate could be used by any other aircraft arriving from any other destination by just closing that door and routing the passengers to passport control.


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    Noxegon
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    alancostello wrote: »
    The smart thing to do at DUB would be to do something like what Heathrow has done at T2 (for Aer Lingus) and at T5 (for BA), if you land at LHR from an Irish airport you get off the plane and go in to a separate corridor that brings you out past passport control. That same gate could be used by any other aircraft arriving from any other destination by just closing that door and routing the passengers to passport control.

    In T1 I'd have thought you could bus passengers from their aircraft to the doors behind the passport control booths in T1.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



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    L1011
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    TK Lemon wrote: »
    Is duplication of services not already done in other European cities in the Schengen Zone where the same airlines would operate both intra-Schengen and ex-Schengen flights with the same airlines in the same airport?

    Those are nearly always areas of terminals, not separate terminals.


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    LXFlyer
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    TK Lemon wrote: »
    Flights within Ireland, the UK and Channel Islands accounts for a significant percentage of traffic in and out of DUB. If this terminal was reserved specifically for those flights, those passengers could circumvent immigration queues.

    When Mr Lemon and I flew to LCY, it was marvellous being able to step off the plane on the other side.

    But remember that CTA provisions only apply to Irish and UK citizens.

    Most other nationalities require separate visas to visit the UK and Ireland.

    Immigration personnel have indicated here previously that there have been not insignificant numbers of people sent back off CTA flights due to not being eligible to enter Ireland.

    I’ve also seen Border Force spot checks at LCY with people being taken aside due to not being eligible to enter the UK.


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