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Coronavirus and the effect on Public transport

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    #2282
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    As we know bus service's are going back Monday to Friday from next Tuesday but capacity is staying at 25%.


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    #2283
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ax586 wrote: »
    As we know bus service's are going back Monday to Friday from next Tuesday but capacity is staying at 25%.

    Will all depend on government announcement this week. A move out of L5 changes capacity


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    #2284
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Will all depend on government announcement this week. A move out of L5 changes capacity

    Internal notice that came out today in DB saying capacity staying at 25%


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    #2285
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,319 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Link here on Dublin Bus website. Capacity is staying at 25%.

    Revisions to some Dublin Bus timetables will also take effect from next Tuesday.

    The 31d, 42d, 51x, 53a, 70d and 90 won't be operating from Tuesday.

    https://www.dublinbus.ie/News-Centre/General-News/Update-on-Dublin-Bus-Services-from-4-May/


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    #2286
    Tickityboo
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭Tickityboo


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Will all depend on government announcement this week. A move out of L5 changes capacity

    Only when we move to level 3 will capacity change to 50%


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    #2287
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I see nta is cutting funding so Expressway services will be getting a cut next month, certain runs cancelled and returns on that run too.


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    #2288
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    10th 50%

    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1387511025470164993?s=19


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    #2289
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Seven car train today, so it actually is 25% loaded rather than nearer to fifty. Will be a strange experience seeing Docklands again this evening!


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    #2290
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Public transport back to full capacity in the UK today or at least in London. Wonder how long until Ireland follows suit


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    #2291
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    GT89 wrote: »
    Public transport back to full capacity in the UK today or at least in London. Wonder how long until Ireland follows suit


    When we reach the level of vaccinations UK has I would have thought.


    50% seems to be fine at peak times at the moment here anyway. I've yet to be left behind after work since the increase from 25%, thankfully!


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    #2292
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,672 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Anyone know the deal with Bus Eireann, the level of cancellations is disgraceful across certain regions. Expressway licenses should be examined if it continues. Prioritizing PSO over commercial it appears.

    If its Covid absenteeism I understand but I suspect its not when they are able to take on new work for NTA at the expense of existing operations.


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    #2293
    punisher5112
    Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Anyone know the deal with Bus Eireann, the level of cancellations is disgraceful across certain regions. Expressway licenses should be examined if it continues. Prioritizing PSO over commercial it appears.

    If its Covid absenteeism I understand but I suspect its not when they are able to take on new work for NTA at the expense of existing operations.

    The nta has cut funding.

    The expressway is their own baby so needs to make money to be viable to run....


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    #2294
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,319 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The 50% capacity limit on Public Transport will be lifted from August 5th.


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    #2295
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,319 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Non-essential international travel will return on July 19th. I wonder how that will go from that date as PT capacity will still be at 50% on that date. I'll suspect demand for buses & taxis could be very tight for other users who will be using public transport to get to work while holidaymakers are going to ports & airports from July 19th.


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    #2296
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    On e-tenders now the contract amounts for temporary support of commercial bus routes in the state can be seen.

    They are as follows (rounded to nearest 100k)
    Expressway by Bus Eireann - €27.4M
    Dublin Coach - €9.4m
    JJ Kavanagh (including Avalen and Kenneallys) - €5.8m
    Matthews - €4.1m
    CityLink - €4.1m
    Wexford Bus - €3.3m
    GoBus - €3.0m
    Aircoach - €2.3m
    Eirebus - €2.1m
    Collins Coaches - €1.3m
    McGinleys - €900k
    Bus Feda - €700k
    Kearns - €700k
    City Direct - €600k

    These contracts are believed to have commenced late last year, with the values relating to a period of six months but had optional extensions of two further periods of 3 months. It's not known if any of these were triggered.


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    #2297
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,672 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    devnull wrote: »
    On e-tenders now the contract amounts for temporary support of commercial bus routes in the state can be seen.

    They are as follows (rounded to nearest 100k)
    Expressway by Bus Eireann - €27.4M
    Dublin Coach - €9.4m
    JJ Kavanagh (including Avalen and Kenneallys) - €5.8m
    Matthews - €4.1m
    CityLink - €4.1m
    Wexford Bus - €3.3m
    GoBus - €3.0m
    Aircoach - €2.3m
    Eirebus - €2.1m
    Collins Coaches - €1.3m
    McGinleys - €900k
    Bus Feda - €700k
    Kearns - €700k
    City Direct - €600k

    These contracts are believed to have commenced late last year, with the values relating to a period of six months but had optional extensions of two further periods of 3 months. It's not known if any of these were triggered.

    Any opinion on why DublinCoach are getting this level of funding. Seems excessive but local airport services might be a factor.
    The nta has cut funding.

    The expressway is their own baby so needs to make money to be viable to run....

    Missed this reply but once 50% returned to PT I would have expected a funding cut as outside peak days for a lot of Intercity services 50% or below is standard so the financial loss to companies is significantly less.
    ____

    CIE 2020 results.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ci%C3%A9-losses-quadruple-to-top-66m-as-it-warns-over-impact-of-travel-curbs-1.4583119
    Losses at the State-owned parent of Bus Éireann, Dublin Bus and Irish Rail more than quadrupled last year to €66.86 million from €14.41 million in 2019

    Public service obligation payments totalling €418.6 million from the Government bolstered revenues last year. The equivalent figure in 2019 was €184.2 million.

    Overall State funding for the group increased to €638 million last year from €309 million in 2019, partly as a result of Covid wage subsidies and other pandemic supports.


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    #2298
    [Deleted User]
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    Are those figures separate from the wage subsidy?


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    #2299
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are those figures separate from the wage subsidy?

    They reflect the temporary financial support provided by the state to those operators in order to allow them to continue to operate during severe adverse trading conditions due to COVID-19 and related measures.


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    #2300
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,319 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I just seen on Google Maps that the 15:00 departure for the 46A from Dún Laoghaire to Phoenix Park was cancelled. The next one at Dùn Laoghaire left on time at 15:08.


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    #2301
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I just seen on Google Maps that the 15:00 departure for the 46A from Dún Laoghaire to Phoenix Park was cancelled. The next one at Dùn Laoghaire left on time at 15:08.

    Hardly that rare an occurrence and what's that got to do with covid buses get cancelled for various reasons before and after covid 19


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    #2302
    Rrrrrr2
    Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    devnull wrote: »
    On e-tenders now the contract amounts for temporary support of commercial bus routes in the state can be seen.

    They are as follows (rounded to nearest 100k)
    Expressway by Bus Eireann - €27.4M
    Dublin Coach - €9.4m
    JJ Kavanagh (including Avalen and Kenneallys) - €5.8m
    Matthews - €4.1m
    CityLink - €4.1m
    Wexford Bus - €3.3m
    GoBus - €3.0m
    Aircoach - €2.3m
    Eirebus - €2.1m
    Collins Coaches - €1.3m
    McGinleys - €900k
    Bus Feda - €700k
    Kearns - €700k
    City Direct - €600k

    These contracts are believed to have commenced late last year, with the values relating to a period of six months but had optional extensions of two further periods of 3 months. It's not known if any of these were triggered.

    Was wondering how they could afford to be running buses with just a handful of passengers. There’s my answer. Those figures are absolutely eye watering. Can guarantee the extensions were triggered- these businesses will be addicted to taxpayers money now once it’s been given


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    #2303
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Reports in the Business Post (paywall) suggesting that the NTA are planning for a 30% drop in commuting numbers following the COVID-19 pandemic.

    https://www.businesspost.ie/transport/nta-planning-for-indefinite-drop-of-30-in-commuting-numbers-8c514919

    Despite this there is no routes on publicly funded bus services to be cut and there won't be a reduction in the frequency of service. It's hoped that total passenger numbers will return to 85% by 2022 with people traveling more spread out over the course of a day.


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    #2304
    ITV2
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭ITV2


    https://www.independent.ie/news/restrictions-ireland-public-transport-toincreaseto-75pc-capacityfrom-july-19-40621240.html slowly getting back to 100%


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    #2305
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    ITV2 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/news/restrictions-ireland-public-transport-toincreaseto-75pc-capacityfrom-july-19-40621240.html slowly getting back to 100%

    That'll be 100% really now... Thank jaysus


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    #2306
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Peak time rail I get is rarely troubling the 50% currently - the huge cut in overall capacity by weekend schedules had it well over 50% when we were nominally 25% though!

    The odd Luas is over 50%.


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    #2307
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    It's strange, my passenger loading at 7am this morning was crazy high... On the 15 I was full up + a straggler or two by Clarehall, drove past every stop until Eden Quay then. But my 08:48 I barely took 20 from Firhouse side in.


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    #2308
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,717 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    devnull wrote: »
    They reflect the temporary financial support provided by the state to those operators in order to allow them to continue to operate during severe adverse trading conditions due to COVID-19 and related measures.

    For a number they are surely about getting them back operating. The buses simply stopped until the subsidy was agreed. In certain of Galway's western suburbs, this was incredibly painful for people living a long distance from the BE routes, but still needing to get to work.


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    #2309
    itchyfinger
    Registered Users Posts: 10 ✭itchyfinger


    Well one good thing is that Dublin bus are not near as warm and stuffy during this hot weather, light traffic means the bus can move and get some air flowing in the open windows and the reduced capacity also help to keep the bus feeling fresher and cooler, nicer to travel 100%.



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    #2310
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,319 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117639579#Comment_117639579

    Are Go-Ahead keeping their windows open in their buses during the hot weather?



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    #2311
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,319 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    There were a few delays on IÉ services according to their twitter feed this morning.

    A truck had struck a LC at Lansdowne Road station delaying Dart services in the area. There was also a bridge strike with a truck between Clara & Athlone. There was also an incident that occurred between Sallins & Newbridge which caused delays to train services at Heuston.

    Does anyone know what the Sallins & Newbridge incident was about earlier today?



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