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Irish traditions - those under threat or already extinct?

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  • #102
    Water John
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    Down here in Cork, wakes are making a comeback. Many have a bit of time with the remains in the house even if its for a few hours with close family and neighbours.


  • #103
    Balmed Out
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    Water John wrote: »
    Where did 25 come from? A mickey mouse game, we always played 35.

    45 is better but 110 is best.
    extra hand dealt, players try to take extra hand by betting on how many tricks they'll win with the dealer being able to take it at the top bid or let them go ahead. rules pretty much similar otherwise., 5 of trump - jack of trump - joker - ace of hearts - ace of trump best cards. Whoever takes extra hand keeps best 5 cards dumps the rest.


  • #104
    riffmongous
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    Would not be a fan of wakes myself from the families viewpoint, especially since the tradition/standard practice in Ireland is to have the funeral within a few days.


  • #105
    whisky_galore
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    6541 wrote: »
    A tradition that is going strong is the wake. I dunno just going to put this here. I was at the most grief stricken wake last night for a very young man. The cakes, sandwiches, tea etc. Everything had its place. Everybody had a role. Thank you Ireland and tradition for this eases the pain.

    I think with the general moving away from rituals of the church, wakes may become even more popular.


  • #106
    An_Toirpin
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    I think with the general moving away from rituals of the church, wakes may become even more popular.
    Unlikely.


  • #107
    The Crowman
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    6541 wrote: »
    Bonfires night is definitely on the wan. Its probably a good thing as well.

    Not on the Northside of Cork city.


  • #108
    oceanman
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    6541 wrote: »
    Bonfires night is definitely on the wan. Its probably a good thing as well.

    not here in south co Dublin..


  • #109
    Jellybaby1
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    A couple of my neighbours have had wakes in the last few years here in westish South Dublin. So its not gone completely. The two that I know of, the families were originally from outside of Dublin. I don't attend wakes myself so can't say what they were like.


  • #110
    whisky_galore
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    An_Toirpin wrote: »
    Unlikely.

    Why not?

    People are gradually moving away from the carbon-copy Irish church wedding formula. Why not funerals as well?
    Not every child is baptised either now.

    The church no longer has a monopoly on hatching, matching and dispatching.


  • #111
    LoughNeagh2017
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    Fishing on Lough Neagh, the biggest lough in Ireland is dying out in it's current form, my uncle does it full time and father does it part time, I go out to help him sometimes so it is interesting to witness the final days of a culture that has been going thousands of years, it was the whole reason why the settlements around here were formed, the reason why the Ui Neill would have wanted to conquer the eastern lands, to get to the fishing supply.

    You cannot get mortgages as a fisherman you see, I think in 30-50 years the fishery will employ people to go out fishing for them rather than the way it has always been, self employed fisherman selling the fish to them, I would imagine it will be European people who will do it.


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  • #112
    LoughNeagh2017
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    Water John wrote: »
    Down here in Cork, wakes are making a comeback. Many have a bit of time with the remains in the house even if its for a few hours with close family and neighbours.

    Wakes are still a big thing in Ulster, I think people thrive on the misery, I was at a place in Donegal, a reenactment type place and they had a section on the Irish wake with mannequin things around a coffin.

    A townland comes to a standstill when someone dies, people love it, it gives them something to gossip about, that is why I don't plan on having a wake, I hate the thought of people eating sandwiches that I paid for, sitting on my sofa. My grandfather is having a private one too.


  • #113
    Water John
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    Had a wake for a close family member a few years ago. The neighbours came in and took over the running of the kitchen. No one, was gossiping or speaking ill of anyone. Too many connected to each anyway to put a foot or word out of place.
    I stayed up two nights and it was cathartic. Grief is open and honest. That way the family can move on easier, I would say.
    I would liken it to emergency intervention where a group have experienced trauma.


  • #114
    CelticRambler
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    As the offspring of two culchies, reared in 70s-80s Dublin, I've quite a lot of traditional "baggage" :D What I find most interesting, though, as I tootle around rural western and central Europe, is how many of my parents' traditions were and are replicated in other places. Just last week at an exhibition in Italy, I saw a reference to school children being expected to bring one log each to heat the classroom - exactly as my mother was expected to bring a sod of turf.

    In Switzerland, the booleying tradition is still alive and well, and in these times of mega-herds, it was comforting to see that the alpine cowsheds sheltered single-digit herds (they had plaques on the wall outside stating how many stalls were attributed to different owners).

    As for hitchhiking ... well, that seems to have been killed off by a combination of motorways, ride-sharing apps and fear of the unknown. I'll pick up anyone who has the good sense to thumb a lift at place where I can actually pull in, but the likelihood of it being a great character on a proper journey, rather than someone who just missed their bus and is only going down the road, is rare.


  • #115
    LoughNeagh2017
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    Water John wrote: »
    Had a wake for a close family member a few years ago. The neighbours came in and took over the running of the kitchen. No one, was gossiping or speaking ill of anyone. Too many connected to each anyway to put a foot or word out of place.
    I stayed up two nights and it was cathartic. Grief is open and honest. That way the family can move on easier, I would say.
    I would liken it to emergency intervention where a group have experienced trauma.

    But that is the fine skill of it, gossiping is done in private, I have seen it many times, it is the main talk over the kitchen table whenever someone in the parish dies, I am surprised people don't get the pen and paper out to draw out the persons family tree.


  • #116
    laoch na mona
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    LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »
    But that is the fine skill of it, gossiping is done in private, I have seen it many times, it is the main talk over the kitchen table whenever someone in the parish dies, I am surprised people don't get the pen and paper out to draw out the persons family tree.

    tracing is a great Irish tradition, I love the way my older relatives can sit down and go back generations as if these people aren't long dead


  • #117
    Mickiemcfist
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    tracing is a great Irish tradition, I love the way my older relatives can sit down and go back generations as if these people aren't long dead

    Yea I don't really know what his/her problem with that is, it's why we're such networkers as a nation. As the saying goes you die two deaths, the first is when your heart stops beating & the second is the last time someone ever says your name.


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