Am I the only person offended by Paloma Faith on Graham Norton?

rom · 13-06-2019 12:21am #1

Paloma Faith basically says to Andrew Scott that she rubbed one out watching an episode of his show. If it was a male telling a female there would be outrage but somehow this is funny. Wonder what people think.

Objectifying of anyone is wrong. The wording of what she is saying is that he is a thing to be consumed. I know that she probably knows he is gay but it's still not appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ynwSGklnw&feature=youtu.be&t=62

One eyed Jack · 13-06-2019 12:23am

I take it OP you’re not a regular viewer of the Graham Norton show then?

That kind of stuff is par for the course

rom · 13-06-2019 12:28am

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I take it OP you’re not a regular viewer of the Graham Norton show then?

That kind of stuff is par for the course

Nah I do but this pretty creepy. It's kind of like the way in the US its not ok to be racist but they can say very racist stuff about Irish and it's somehow acceptable.

Lia_lia · 13-06-2019 12:30am

He is very attractive as the hot priest though. In fairness.

JustAThought · 13-06-2019 12:32am

I think its fairly obvious that hes cringing at it but going along to save face for her - the tension in his body language speaks volumes. Its a fairly awful thing to be saving to a stranger on national tv...sets the bar for her pretty low.

13-06-2019 12:32am

paloma faith offends me in every location and context

no talent, about thirty years older than she claims and pushed by the uk pop apparatus as if their collective careers depended upon it

if she was a tesco product she'd be smothered under yellow stickers

rom · 13-06-2019 12:34am

Lia_lia wrote: »

He is very attractive as the hot priest though. In fairness.

There is nothing wrong with that but say Jennifer Lawrence was on and someone said that she good looking etc in a complementary way. But imagine a guy saying he had a **** watching her movie to her face.

rom · 13-06-2019 12:37am

JustAThought wrote: »

I think its fairly obvious that hes cringing at it but going along to save face for her - the tension in his body language speaks volumes. Its a fairly awful thing to be saving to a stranger on national tv...sets the bar for her pretty low.

Someone else said said that it was that I wasn't used to watching this but I remember his old show where he put a camera down some guys pants to see his Prince Albert. But in that place your man was ok with that happening. I wasn't offended. I am offended by the lack of respect she has to say that.

Airyfairy12 · 13-06-2019 12:39am

Comments like this and much worse are regularly said to women on tv shows. There are episodes of the Graham Norton show where female guests are being blatantly creeped on by male guests. You just dont notice it because its so normal, when a woman does it people lose their minds.
If you find that offensive you might have a tiny little glimpse into how women have felt for centuries.

Stephen fry also jokes about rubbing one out watching him - interesting how that doesnt offend you.

That said - her comment was off colour, might been one of those moments were it sounded funnier in her head. I think everyone was cringing. Shes a bit of a dope to be fair.

vicwatson · 13-06-2019 12:44am

I think you are the only person offended

One eyed Jack · 13-06-2019 12:44am

rom wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with that but say Jennifer Lawrence was on and someone said that she good looking etc in a complementary way. But imagine a guy saying he had a **** watching her movie to her face.

That wouldn’t surprise me if it happened when she was a guest on the Graham Norton show either tbh. The whole show is basically a vehicle for celebrity innuendo. You forgot to mention the three other men on the couch who made similar innuendo about the same guy, and he got the jokes. You seem to be trying to make something out of nothing here really tbh.

endacl · 13-06-2019 12:45am

I don’t believe I’ve ever been actually ‘offended’ by anything. Ever.

PsychoPete · 13-06-2019 12:50am

I'd gladly take that as a compliment

Paddy Cow · 13-06-2019 12:53am

rom wrote: »

Someone else said said that it was that I wasn't used to watching this but I remember his old show where he put a camera down some guys pants to see his Prince Albert. But in that place your man was ok with that happening. I wasn't offended. I am offended by the lack of respect she has to say that.

Nothing the good people of AH can do to help you. Have you complained to Ofcom?

PARlance · 13-06-2019 1:01am

rom wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with that but say Jennifer Lawrence was on and someone said that she good looking etc in a complementary way. But imagine a guy saying he had a **** watching her movie to her face.

A bit cringe but I wouldn't beat myself.......

rom · 13-06-2019 1:07am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Nothing the good people of AH can do to help you. Have you complained to Ofcom?

Nah, that would take a bit of effort.

Gimme A Pound · 13-06-2019 1:10am

Ew, cringy and tacky.

Deleted User wrote: »

paloma faith offends me in every location and context

no talent, about thirty years older than she claims and pushed by the uk pop apparatus as if their collective careers depended upon it

if she was a tesco product she'd be smothered under yellow stickers

She's got an excellent voice. Wiki says she was born in 1981 - was she actually born in the early 50s?

Outlaw Pete · 13-06-2019 1:46am

The funniest (to me at least) anecdote, of a similar nature, I saw told on the GN show was when the old biddy who's a regular guest (who's name escapes me) said she was walking through a field one day and found a young man **** up a tree and because she felt bad for him, finished him off and went on her way, as you do :P

With regards to Paloma, I think what she said was harmless but yes it's true, and kinda sad, that if a guy made a similar revelation about a female guest he would most likely have the Twitterazi after him. Adam Sandler patted a co-star's knee on the show and they went ballistic over it for quite some time (in an insincere way, of course).

The answer to me though is not to react to women who share such an anecdote in the same sanctimonious way, just because that's what would likely happen a famous guy in a similar scenario, but instead to respond as you wish any person should, no matter the gender of the guest, which would be in a measured way, taking on board the tone and spirit in which the guest made the revelation.... and in this case it was just a funny, albeit risque, way of her conveying that she quite liked a sex scene which he was in.

B.A._Baracus · 13-06-2019 2:43am

Now, not that this matters in the slightest.... just consider it a tidbit.
But I worked with someone who moonlighted as an actor years ago and he said that Andrew Scott is considered to be extremely camp to those who know him. Like an open secret.
Impressive when you think about it. He doesn't come off as gay at all. Well, I mainly seen him in Sherlock. Guess the dude really is a great actor (I didn't even know the guy was gay when I was told that!)

Wesser · 13-06-2019 3:13am

surely if anthing he should be offended...... not you?!

Your Face · 13-06-2019 3:35am

Id be more offended by her affected mannerisms than what she actually said.

s7ryf3925pivug · 13-06-2019 4:50am

rom wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with that but say Jennifer Lawrence was on and someone said that she good looking etc in a complementary way. But imagine a guy saying he had a **** watching her movie to her face.

Most guys she meets would have had a **** about her. It might be more worthy of remark to tell her you had never wanked about her.

Hobosan · 13-06-2019 5:20am

Lads she's nearly 40, it was obviousy a subtle product placement for her vintage womb. Calm down.

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-06-2019 8:05am

rom wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with that but say Jennifer Lawrence was on and someone said that she good looking etc in a complementary way. But imagine a guy saying he had a **** watching her movie to her face.

It's much more threatening coming from a man. Men are physically more threatening. A man saying he objectifies someone raises the concern he might do something untoward.

Seamai · 13-06-2019 8:18am

Kora Fluffy Pronoun wrote: »

Ew, cringy and tacky.

She's got an excellent voice. Wiki says she was born in 1981 - was she actually born in the early 50s?

TBH I'm surprised if she is only 38, I would have said she was older, she's got a very "lived in" face, but then maybe that's what life in the fast lane does to some people.
While not offended by the comment I did squirm slightly but then I'm gay, having said that Andrew Scott wouldn't do it for me.

Seamai · 13-06-2019 8:21am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The funniest (to me at least) anecdote, of a similar nature, I saw told on the GN show was when the old biddy who's a regular guest (who's name escapes me) said she was walking through a field one day and found a young man **** up a tree and because she felt bad for him, finished him off and went on her way, as you do :P

With regards to Paloma, I think what she said was harmless but yes it's true, and kinda sad, that if a guy made a similar revelation about a female guest he would most likely have the Twitterazi after him. Adam Sandler patted a co-star's knee on the show and they went ballistic over it for quite some time (in an insincere way, of course).

The answer to me though is not to react to women who share such an anecdote in the same sanctimonious way, just because that's what would likely happen a famous guy in a similar scenario, but instead to respond as you wish any person should, no matter the gender of the guest, which would be in a measured way, taking on board the tone and spirit in which the guest made the revelation.... and in this case it was just a funny, albeit risque, way of her conveying that she quite liked a sex scene which he was in.

That was Miriam Margoyles that came across the guy in the tree. The woman has absolutely no filters.

Sonny noggs · 13-06-2019 8:27am

Seamai wrote: »

That was Miriam Margoyles that came across the guy in the tree. The woman has absolutely no filters.

I’d say that lad has never wanked again after that traumatic experience. Was that sexual assault on her part? Did she have consent?

13-06-2019 8:30am

Sonny noggs wrote: »

I’d say that lad has never wanked again after that traumatic experience. Was that sexual assault on her part? Did she have consent?

her story about meeting Olivier is one of the greatest killer lines ive ever heard. nothing prepares you for it.

Deebles McBeebles · 13-06-2019 8:36am

I was not offended at all, felt a bit cringey for the poor chap. Doesn't matter if he is gay or not, it still wouldn't go down well if Ben Affleck told Ellen he rubbed one out to her latest stand up special.

cournioni · 13-06-2019 8:43am

rom wrote: »

Paloma Faith basically says to Andrew Scott that she rubbed one out watching an episode of his show. If it was a male telling a female there would be outrage but somehow this is funny. Wonder what people think.

Objectifying of anyone is wrong. The wording of what she is saying is that he is a thing to be consumed. I know that she probably knows he is gay but it's still not appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ynwSGklnw&feature=youtu.be&t=62

Not offended by that at all. The double standards are the problem.

theteal · 13-06-2019 8:45am

I'm more offended by his accent tbh.

Maybe they can get Louis CK on to test the opposite perspective.

Wabbit Ears · 13-06-2019 8:46am

TBH this OP is more offensive than what he was offended by.

There really is something rotten at the heart of society where people feel they should be offended on someone elses behalf.

sbsquarepants · 13-06-2019 9:01am

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I the only person offended by Paloma Faith on Graham Norton?

Well you can count me out anyway.

So this one time at band camp, she flicked her bean, big fúcking whoop!

I like Paloma - she has a great voice her first album "Do you want the truth or something beautiful" is excellent and she always came across as a bit of craic anytime I seen her.

rom · 13-06-2019 9:07am

Deleted User wrote: »

her story about meeting Olivier is one of the greatest killer lines ive ever heard. nothing prepares you for it.

Had to look it up. Very good. NSFW .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqpyoVrcqWc

cruizer101 · 13-06-2019 9:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

paloma faith offends me in every location and context

no talent, about thirty years older than she claims and pushed by the uk pop apparatus as if their collective careers depended upon it

if she was a tesco product she'd be smothered under yellow stickers

She has 3 double platinum albums, multiple BRIT award nominations, think won some also and she has no talent??
You may not like her music, voice or personality but to say she has no talent is just wrong, you don't get there with no talent.

She claims she is 37 so you are saying she is 7

As for her story on Graham Norton, it wasn't like she was saying this to him for the first time, she had told him before at a previous meeting and Graham prompted her for the story. Its a bit cringy but funny also, don't forget people like a bit of cringe, the show is meant to entertain.
Tbh world might be a better place if people were a bit more honest about stuff like this.

13-06-2019 9:48am

cruizer101 wrote: »

She has 3 double platinum albums, multiple BRIT award nominations, think won some also and she has no talent??
You may not like her music, voice or personality but to say she has no talent is just wrong, you don't get there with no talent.

She claims she is 37 so you are saying she is 7

As for her story on Graham Norton, it wasn't like she was saying this to him for the first time, she had told him before at a previous meeting and Graham prompted her for the story. Its a bit cringy but funny also, don't forget people like a bit of cringe, the show is meant to entertain.
Tbh world might be a better place if people were a bit more honest about stuff like this.

your maths aint great

but you know what now that youve posted about her brits i like her now high five

BillyBird · 13-06-2019 9:53am

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

There really is something rotten at the heart of society where people feel they should be offended on someone elses behalf.

Bingo, why is everybody so quick to to be offended.

And if you are quick to offend why are you watching the GN show? Stick to Nationwide (great show, I'm not knocking it).

cruizer101 · 13-06-2019 9:58am

Deleted User wrote: »

your maths aint great

but you know what now that youve posted about her brits i like her now high five

True that, meant to say she is 37 so you are saying she is claiming she is 7, point still stands though I don't see how she is claiming to be an age she isn't.

Not saying you should like her, there are many talented musicians I don't like doesn't mean they aren't talented.

Feisar · 13-06-2019 10:00am

Gloria High Dial wrote: »

It's much more threatening coming from a man. Men are physically more threatening. A man saying he objectifies someone raises the concern he might do something untoward.

This. A woman says something like that its either funny/goofy/awkward/silly. A man says it and it's a bit rapey. All about context though, fine in private with someone you bump uglies with, not on TV.

Gimme A Pound · 13-06-2019 10:04am

cruizer101 wrote: »

She has 3 double platinum albums, multiple BRIT award nominations, think won some also and she has no talent??
You may not like her music, voice or personality but to say she has no talent is just wrong, you don't get there with no talent.

She claims she is 37 so you are saying she is 7 .

Of course people had to leap to thank the post you quoted despite the absurd nature of it - a blatant lie that she's not talented, and that she lies about her age when we can all clearly see what her age is (is there any actual source where she lied about her age?)

But she's a woman! And not that young! And not conventionally hot! So we gotta thank it - even though doing so makes us seem totally dishonest/stupid!

Gimme A Pound · 13-06-2019 10:07am

Feisar wrote: »

This. A woman says something like that its either funny/goofy/awkward/silly. A man says it and it's a bit rapey. All about context though, fine in private with someone you bump uglies with, not on TV.

Yeah I think there is a double standard, but a lot of people who help propagate that double standard are men (nnnnnnice etc). I think it's classless and in poor taste too. People seem to need to be very vulgar.

I'm not a fan either. Wouldn't be buying her stuff. But a good voice is a good voice.

Feisar · 13-06-2019 10:09am

Objectification is wrong?!?

When did that rule come in? My wife and I are going to continue objectifying the fúck our of each other!

mistersifter · 13-06-2019 10:11am

Im so offended by what Paloma Faith said.

She should be punished heavily for this. I'm gonna rub one out to her later. See how she likes it.

Strumms · 13-06-2019 10:18am

She doesn’t have the ‘stand alone talent’ to make it so the ‘naughty, eccentric, ohhh sure I’m a bit bold and naughty and say anything mad’ character Paloma Faith or ‘product’ Paloma Faith appears on tv, talks about cracking one off, gets people talking, name in papers, attention attention, headlines headlines, money money....sad.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 13-06-2019 10:20am

I think I’d be mortified if a man said something similar to me, especially on television. I’m not sure if I’d be outraged or offended. Just completely mortified. Think concave body language, trying to make myself be not there.

Bob Harris · 13-06-2019 10:25am

mistersifter wrote: »

Im so offended by what Paloma Faith said.

She should be punished heavily for this. I'm gonna rub one out to her later. See how she likes it.

Knew the name but knew nothing about her otherwise so had a look. She has that funny eyebrow look going on and looks like she speaks in a cockney accent. Not one I'd be tugging off to.

Deebles McBeebles · 13-06-2019 10:28am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I think I’d be mortified if a man said something similar to me, especially on television. I’m not sure if I’d be outraged or offended. Just completely mortified. Think concave body language, trying to make myself be not there.

He knew about it and that was still his reaction! Then Graham almost got his seat wet after it, over the "kneel" scene.

Cringiest thing I have ever seen only happened a few weeks back. I think it was David Tennant (open to correction) who posted a drawing his daughter did. Drawing was of Tennant himself and it looked like the kid had drawn a massive wang on him. Conversation ended when Graham said "Daddy" or "oh Daddy" but in the way you would expect it to be said by a young one getting railed. Poor Tennant did not know where to look and they swiftly moved on.

suicide_circus · 13-06-2019 10:29am

offended? No. but so long as double standards like this are ok we feminists will never achieve equality.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-06-2019 10:43am

suicide_circus wrote: »

offended? No. but so long as double standards like this are ok we feminists will never achieve equality.

Which double standard are you referring to? The double standard that it was not OK for the woman to make the comment but it was fine for Stephen Fry?

Feisar · 13-06-2019 10:44am

suicide_circus wrote: »

offended? No. but so long as double standards like this are ok we feminists will never achieve equality.

Is it a double standard though?

Google:

A double standard is the application of different sets of principles for situations that are, in principle, the same, and is often used to describe freedom that is given to one party over another.

IMHO men and women are not the same and that's not a bad thing, opposites attract and all that.

suicide_circus · 13-06-2019 10:52am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Which double standard are you referring to? The double standard that it was not OK for the woman to make the comment but it was fine for Stephen Fry?

that's the one