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11-06-2019, 12:34   #16
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In any case, the idea that Muslims automatically agree with Sharia law and want to implement it in western society is absolute bull**** to anyone who spends even a little time informing themselves
That's why I specified in the first post that the extremist Sharia law "death to gays" brigade is a small minority of Muslims, especially in the west.
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11-06-2019, 12:37   #17
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You can condemn a person's beliefs and still condemn bigotry/discrimination directed at that person because of their beliefs. Pretty basic stuff I would have thought.
But I've read recently (I'll try to find the link) that Christianity is now the most persecuted faith in the world. In terms of actual violence and death that is. Places like North Korea, India, Pakistan are deadly places for a Christian.

But I haven't seen any support from LGBT groups for persecuted Christians.
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Why is the solidarity not reciprocated by the Islamic world though?
There have been protests outside a school in the U.K. by muslims, some who have no family or children using the school, because the school is introducing LGBT into certain lessons.
The mosque in clonskeagh posted on its own website that it's followers should vote No in the same sex marriage referendum.
Some muslims are starting to express their LGBT support, but they do risk a backlash from their religious community.
Recently at RuPauls Werk the World at the Bord Gais Theatre it was nice to see a couple of young muslim girls, wearing their hijab, having a great time at the show cheering on the queens.
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I wonder if the people in that photo had the choice to walk down the main street of one of two cities let's say Rome or Tehran looking like that which they'd chose.

Exactly.

For the record i have no interest in any religion or sky fairies.
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But I've read recently (I'll try to find the link) that Christianity is now the most persecuted faith in the world.
Cant find the link I saw previously, but this is similar:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48146305

I've no idea if the BBC is considered a left/right/Conservative/Liberal biased source so I don't know if it can be taken as impartial.
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You can condemn a person's beliefs and still condemn bigotry/discrimination directed at that person because of their beliefs. Pretty basic stuff I would have thought.
So you're saying LGBT people are knowingly tolerant against people that would quite possibly kill them? And in fact do kill them.

LGBT people are the Jesus of our time.
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I say leave them to it.
If people want to pretend that Islam respects gay rights then so be it.
Just don't whinge about it if they are attacked or suffer verbal abuse.

Get on with our lives. Not our concern
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11-06-2019, 12:50   #23
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looking forward to seeing pro LGBT posters at Islamic events. or is this an unrequited love affair?
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11-06-2019, 12:52   #24
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Cant find the link I saw previously, but this is similar:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48146305

I've no idea if the BBC is considered a left/right/Conservative/Liberal biased source so I don't know if it can be taken as impartial.
Christian persecution? Well i'm afraid Chritianophobia is not a word so no placards necessary.
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I think in this country, there isn't much Islam, therefore LGBT people aren't exposed to it that often. People base their views on the familiar, and in Ireland Roman Catholicism and it's agents(the state) were the enemy, this leaves a cultural hallmark of sorts.

The LGBT movement in the Lebanon have both to deal with, and they're one of the more successful LGBT movements in the middle East, bar Turkey (is that the middle east??).

The way I see it the Islamic world peaked many centuries ago in terms of art, culture, science etc. where as Christian Europe had a rebirth and continues on a path of expanding horizons. Islamic culture, not the belief system per say (which is as ridiculous as Christianity), is backward looking. The measure of progression in those societies is being 'holier'. The times of Muhammod were the holiest and they harp back to those days as the gold standard. Christians await a second coming of Christ(well not anymore but western society is based on that traditionally), so culturally Christian countries are always looking forward to something, that thinking lends it's self to more progression, learning more about the universe, improving processes, making society more equitable, making every generation better off than the last etc.

The Islamic world may yet change though, most notably, Mustafa Attaturk who legalised male homosexuality in Turkey 100 years ago (74 years before Ireland). He was a great reformer who sought to create a modern muslim republic, unfortunately his vision has largely been ignored by subsequent leaders. There is potential for modernisation of Islam in other countries. Take the UAE as an example, where a 2nd generation of Emiratis have extreme wealth, when that all comes crashing down, they're going to have a long hard think about what sort of society they are going to have going forward.

In short, muslims are products of their upbringing, same as everyone. If we make Islamic ghettos in Ireland like there are in France, Belgium and the UK, those places will become as backward as the muslim world. People make a place, not the other way around.
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Pride is about pride in who you are.

Whether its about pride in being gay ...or pride in being Muslim.

Its about standing up to ALL forms of bigotry because that is nothing to be proud of.

Whether you are muslim or jewish or christian when you are right in yourself you will right with others.

The LGBT movement got where it is by the way of LOVE.

If there are muslims who are homophobic you are only going to speak to them through love and respect.

Be kind to people.
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They don't support Islam. They oppose discrimination based on religion.
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In short, muslims are products of their upbringing, same as everyone. If we make Islamic ghettos in Ireland like there are in France, Belgium and the UK, those places will become as backward as the muslim world. People make a place, not the other way around.
its already happening. take a walk down Clanbrassil st and Leonard's corner.
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Plus there are just as many gay people in the Muslim community as any other community. Don't let people tell you otherwise.

I hope they feel the pride this year!
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