Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

Hamsterchops · 22-05-2021 3:13pm

JackTC wrote: »

Right but you didn't explain how the person in the video I posted is wrong.

OK, I will admit I do have reservations about two videos in particular, and they are Gofast & night vision Pyramids. That said, there is such a massive list of accounts from pilots, radar contacts etc over several decades, that there is still certainly something to look into.

The green pyramid is just an airliner as viewed through an out of focus night vision camera with a triangular appature, and yet we are being told this is a UFO, why :cool:

All that being said, I do believe Dave Fravor & Alex Dietrich 100%

Let's wait for the report in about ten days time, then we can all look and see what officialdom says.

JackTC · 22-05-2021 3:24pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

OK, I will admit I do have reservations about two videos in particular, and they are Gimbal & night vision Pyramids. That said, there is such a massive list of accounts from pilots, radar contacts etc over several decades, that there is still certainly something to look into.

The duck theory (for Gimbal) and the pyramids (night vision-green) do raise questions, as I suspect both of them to be totally identifiable, but then why they are being sold to us as UFOs :cool:

The green pyramid is just an airliner as viewed through an out of focus night vision camera with a triangular appature, and yet we are being told this is a UFO, why :cool:

All that being said, I do believe Dave Fravor & Alex Dietrich 100%

Let's wait for the report in about ten days time, then we can all look and see what officialdom says.

I think you're getting Gimbal and GoFast mixed up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

But yes, there is nothing we can do until the report next month.

With regards to Dave Fravor & Alex Dietrich, I have no idea myself. I hope they're wrong, I want there to be a logical explanation.

Hamsterchops · 22-05-2021 3:29pm

JackTC wrote: »

I think you're getting Gimbal and GoFast mixed up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

But yes, there is nothing we can do until the report next month.

With regards to Dave Fravor & Alex Dietrich, I have no idea myself. I hope they're wrong, I want there to be a logical explanation.

Yes, I meant Gofast (the duck) ✓

lintdrummer · 22-05-2021 4:59pm

JackTC wrote: »

Have a look at the below video (start at 5:35) and watch until the end.

Tell me why you think this sceptic is wrong

I don't think he's wrong about that particular video myself. Never was impressed by the "GoFast" video. It's pretty obvious that parallax is playing a part in the speed illusion there. I don't know why the Pentagon haven't said as much.
What I don't like in that guys analysis is that he ridicules the likes of Luis Elizondo for saying that the counter argument to weather balloons is that the objects move in inexplicable ways and seem to defy physics.
Elizondo is clearly referring to the FLIR/Gimbal video and David Fravor's eyewitness report, not the GOFAST video.
He also conveniently "didn't have time" to address the FLIR or Gimbal video, though half of his lengthy debunk was duck noises and memes.

JackTC · 22-05-2021 5:10pm

lintdrummer wrote: »

I don't think he's wrong about that particular video myself. Never was impressed by the "GoFast" video. It's pretty obvious that parallax is playing a part in the speed illusion there. I don't know why the Pentagon haven't said as much.
What I don't like in that guys analysis is that he ridicules the likes of Luis Elizondo for saying that the counter argument to weather balloons is that the objects move in inexplicable ways and seem to defy physics.
Elizondo is clearly referring to the FLIR/Gimbal video and David Fravor's eyewitness report, not the GOFAST video.
He also conveniently "didn't have time" to address the FLIR or Gimbal video, though half of his lengthy debunk was duck noises and memes.

Part 3 below (skip to 20:45) he looks at GIMBAL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWWGmiZs4JA&ab_channel=Thunderf00tThunderf00tVerified

Fuzzyduzzy · 22-05-2021 7:58pm

What do you guys think of Biden's response last night? He leaves very abruptly, even forgetting to remove his mic
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1395872243931140096?s=20

lintdrummer · 22-05-2021 8:00pm

JackTC wrote: »

Part 3 below (skip to 20:45) he looks at GIMBAL.

With the FLIR video he's not really giving us a good option for what that is. It's unexplained. He goes on about how it's not moving at incredible speeds and that's true, I think most can see that clearly. I don't agree with Corbell et al who say it speeds off at the end. I would agree with him that the large movement is most likely to do with the camera rather than the object. Whatever about the video, there's no way to explain what the four military pilots describe what they observed with their own eyes that day. Again I think he's kind of muddying the discussion by talking about the video alone and rubbishing claims that it is moving erratically or fast. That is not claimed of the video, it is claimed by the pilots who observed it.

The gimbal video is space junk? Come on. Any kind of space junk as hot as this object is will have a visible trail of heat behind it, even at this small an FOV. Also, it just looks too tidy and the movement is almost perfectly horizontal. At that altitude, if a piece of space junk managed to make it through the atmosphere, it would be moving more vertically than horizontally given the momentum it will have lost dur to drag at that stage.

ILoveYourVibes · 22-05-2021 8:05pm

Hmm something that unites humanity ....alien over lords. I think America needs this.

MadYaker · 22-05-2021 8:37pm

JackTC wrote: »

I think you're getting Gimbal and GoFast mixed up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

But yes, there is nothing we can do until the report next month.

With regards to Dave Fravor & Alex Dietrich, I have no idea myself. I hope they're wrong, I want there to be a logical explanation.

Why do you think its illogical to assume that there is other sentient life in the universe? If the universe is indeed infinite as physicists say then surely it's logical to assume that there is life somewhere?

JackTC · 22-05-2021 8:46pm

MadYaker wrote: »

Why do you think its illogical to assume that there is other sentient life in the universe? If the universe is indeed infinite as physicists say then surely it's logical to assume that there is life somewhere?

I don't think it's illogical to assume that there is other sentient life in the universe. That's not what I've been talking about.

Some of these people talk about objects moving at impossible speeds which are outside the laws of physics. That's what I don't believe.

It's very possible that there's life out there, but I'm not convinced on these videos where things are moving in supernatural ways.

nocoverart · 22-05-2021 9:07pm

JackTC wrote: »

I think you're getting Gimbal and GoFast mixed up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

But yes, there is nothing we can do until the report next month.

With regards to Dave Fravor & Alex Dietrich, I have no idea myself. I hope they're wrong, I want there to be a logical explanation.

You hope they’re wrong? jaysus, if the tic-tac is indeed alien craft that would be the most monumental of news stories IMO at least.

Imagine a potentially vibrant and living galaxy with different cultures, different stages of development and bat-sh1t crazy technology... I’m all for it. Not like they’d want us obliterated into the abyss either or they would of done it by now ( I think 😁 )

Personally I don’t know what to fookin think. I’m glad this is happening though, I love a good mystery and better than hearing the C word.

steddyeddy · 23-05-2021 11:02am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Hmm something that unites humanity ....alien over lords. I think America needs this.

Funny you say that. This issue has united a lot of republicans and democrats. Members from both sides of the divide are trying to find out what this is.

Cheerful S · 23-05-2021 11:38pm

This thing in the Ocean looks Alien to me. Looked interesting from afar and got more interesting when it approached the camera. When it got closer see colors, different spectrums.. Is that real I was thinking?

Hamsterchops · 23-05-2021 11:45pm

Cheerful S wrote: »

This thing in the Ocean looks Alien to me. Looked interesting from afar and got more interesting when it approached the camera. When it got closer see colors, different spectrums.. Is that real I was thinking?

What was that?

Presumably a known variety of squid, do we know what type, depth, context, size, etcetera etcetera ...

TheValeyard · 23-05-2021 11:46pm

I'd say some of these will turn out to be incredibly advanced drones launched from a new class of submarine.

Cheerful S · 23-05-2021 11:50pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

What was that?

Presumably a known variety of squid, do we know what type, depth, context, size, etcetera etcetera ...

Have no clue. But if you watch the thing whatever it is morphed shape to something else.

16 seconds it looks different.
appears to go through a morph of shape at 40 seconds.

TheValeyard · 23-05-2021 11:56pm

Cheerful S wrote: »

Have no clue. But if you watch the thing whatever it is morphed shape to something else.

16 seconds it looks different.
appears to go through a morph of shape at 40 seconds.

Probably a ctenophore, comb jellies. They can look awesome and very alien alright. Cool vid of one, until I think the propeller minced it.

Cheerful S · 24-05-2021 12:07am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Probably a ctenophore, comb jellies. They can look awesome and very alien alright. Cool vid of one, until I think the propeller minced it.

If it is a type never witnessed before. Can Ctenophora morph shape to something else? Its almost seems it did the morph so it could head towards to the camera and have a look. Seemed/least felt intelligent to me. A mystery.

TheValeyard · 24-05-2021 12:15am

Cheerful S wrote: »

If it is a type never witnessed before. Can Ctenophora morph shape to something else? Its almost seems it did the morph so it could head towards to the camera and have a look. Seemed/least felt intelligent to me. A mystery.

Not unique. Other older videos called them 'Batman of the Deep', there dark red blood belly can appear black and may look like they 'morph' because they are invertebrates. Probably did they an interest in the camera. Sea creatures have often been curious of human devices. Probably trying to figure out if it was a food source.

the purple tin · 24-05-2021 4:38pm

I see Legion is back posting on the thread again. Doing what he does best, trying to get it closed down :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 24-05-2021 4:41pm

Cheerful S wrote: »

If it is a type never witnessed before. Can Ctenophora morph shape to something else? Its almost seems it did the morph so it could head towards to the camera and have a look. Seemed/least felt intelligent to me. A mystery.

no mystery. Its a comb jelly.

yourdeadwright · 24-05-2021 4:45pm

Cheerful S wrote: »

This thing in the Ocean looks Alien to me. Looked interesting from afar and got more interesting when it approached the camera. When it got closer see colors, different spectrums.. Is that real I was thinking?

Its just a jelly fish we don't see often & all of a sudden people are saying its a Aliens ,

It's like these video are the obvious options are over looked because people want to believe so bad

PokeHerKing · 24-05-2021 5:24pm

JackTC wrote: »

Have a look at the below video (start at 5:35) and watch until the end.

Tell me why you think this sceptic is wrong

That was a hard watch, guy doing the analysis is a massive massive co*k.

I've only taken an interest in all this since it started hitting MSM. But ill lay my bias on the table and say I definitely want to believe. I've always answered yes if asked do you believe in aliens. That doesn't mean I belive Barbra from Utah is getting probed every other week but I believe in the vastness of space there has to be other life etc.

Why would the US military not be saying yes these are our videos, no theyre not UFOs , they're birds/balloons etc?

Like if they're that easily shown to be when the footage is reviewed with all the info there to be checked? Even accounting for pilot error on the day etc. Once reviewed they'd be able to say ah yeah thats a duck lads.

Its just not making sense to me wjy the US military would want to claim they don't have the capability to decipher between a duck and machine?

Or do the people making these debunk videos actually believe the entire military don't know how to work out what they're working out?

silliussoddius · 24-05-2021 5:33pm

These videos were leaked or released via Freedom of Information via what seems a bunch of hobbyists/Tom DeLonge types who seem to have terrible quality control (one of the people involves in the current publicity helped popularize Yuri Geller and was involved with nonsense like remote viewing), also they are not the videos of what eye witnesses claim to have seen. Just because they are out here now doesn't mean the US military is clueless about them.
As far as members of the military being infallible witnesses, check out what Mike Flynn is up to these days.

steddyeddy · 25-05-2021 9:34am

Regarding the upcoming report I don't think we should expect anything. The government certainly won't say what these things are as they likely don't know. The best thing that could come out of it would be if they can encourage more pilots to come forward with sightings.

Fuzzyduzzy · 25-05-2021 6:22pm

Jen Psaki has just confirmed at a White House press conference that there are unidentified aerial phenomena in their air space.

Is it not now time for this topic to have its own forum? It's not a matter of belief anymore.

https://youtu.be/7yBbMROonHE

Fuzzyduzzy · 25-05-2021 6:51pm

It's very telling that Obama spoke out about it in a serious manner. He is of course friends with Biden. YouTube and general news seems to be giving it to everyone on a plate recently. It feels like the world is being prepared for big revelations.

Fuzzyduzzy · 25-05-2021 7:31pm

Easier link to follow:
https://twitter.com/Akam1129/status/1397256824991232001?s=20

Hamsterchops · 25-05-2021 7:57pm

Oh that giggle gives it away, ha ha ha :pac: :pac:

Maybe this will never be taken seriously?

Dr. Bre · 25-05-2021 8:11pm

Rte aren’t talking about this so the announcement won’t be that big!

MadYaker · 26-05-2021 3:24pm

JackTC wrote: »

I don't think it's illogical to assume that there is other sentient life in the universe. That's not what I've been talking about.

Some of these people talk about objects moving at impossible speeds which are outside the laws of physics. That's what I don't believe.

It's very possible that there's life out there, but I'm not convinced on these videos where things are moving in supernatural ways.

Outside our understanding of the laws of physics. We can do things today that people thought would never be possible 100 years ago.

Elessar · 26-05-2021 6:12pm

Bob Lazar's interview with Joe Rogan for anyone interested. Fascinating. He seems quite genuine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ

Psychlops · 26-05-2021 9:43pm

Elessar wrote: »

Bob Lazar's interview with Joe Rogan for anyone interested. Fascinating. He seems quite genuine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWz4SXfyCQ

And the George Knapp one!!

Fuzzyduzzy · 26-05-2021 9:59pm

Love him or hate him, Corbell has his connections
https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell/status/1397621632072503297?s=20

Hamsterchops · 27-05-2021 5:48pm

This evening @8pm (Thursday)!

Better be something good as I'm fed up with fuzzy blurred and out of focus stuff. Give us something clear and in focus please :cool:

Rediculous that we have to wait for this fella Corbell anyway, any relevant data should just be released without all this theatrical build up.

Beechwoodspark · 27-05-2021 5:53pm

Lots of stuff debunking lazar on line

1 thing that made me laugh is apparently when he first went public he had all sorts of dramatic stories about aliens on the base killing staff etc etc - he quietly dropped all the really dramatic stuff when people rightly were sceptical

US2 · 27-05-2021 8:00pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lots of stuff debunking lazar on line

1 thing that made me laugh is apparently when he first went public he had all sorts of dramatic stories about aliens on the base killing staff etc etc - he quietly dropped all the really dramatic stuff when people rightly were sceptical

Show me where Bob Lazar ever made a claim like that he saw aliens killing staff. Absolute nonsense.

People make up claims to discredit that actual claims he made.

buried · 27-05-2021 8:09pm

Its 8pm lads. Where this new UFAPO drop

silliussoddius · 27-05-2021 8:10pm

buried wrote: »

Its 8pm lads. Where this new UFAPO drop

At his twatter. Radar footage of UFOs swarming warships. I know nuttin about radar so don’t know what to make of it.

lintdrummer · 27-05-2021 8:16pm

US2 wrote: »

Show me where Bob Lazar ever made a claim like that he saw aliens killing staff. Absolute nonsense.

People make up claims to discredit that actual claims he made.

I haven't seen anything to that effect either so it sounds like a nonsense claim.
There's a timeline of Bob Lazar's life here which aims to separate the fact from the fiction as much as possible.

One thing that really stands out to me is that on the 19th of April '86 he married a woman called Tracy Anne Murk whilst already being married to another woman, Carol Lazar. 2 days later Carol is found dead of suspected suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning. A week later Bob and his new wife move into Carol's house (where she died).

There is something exceptionally strange about that sequence of events and it makes me very uneasy about Bob as a character and skeptical of his claims.

Hamsterchops · 27-05-2021 8:51pm

buried wrote: »

Its 8pm lads. Where this new UFAPO drop

Can somebody give us a link please.

silliussoddius · 27-05-2021 8:58pm

https://www.mysterywire.com/ufo/ufos-swarm-uss-omaha/?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co

lintdrummer · 27-05-2021 8:58pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Can somebody give us a link please.

https://twitter.com/JeremyCorbell/status/1393281339525255168

buried · 27-05-2021 9:03pm

These things are just flying about the USS Omaha and all they do is just glawp at them? Why don't they shoot the f**king things?

Beechwoodspark · 27-05-2021 9:18pm

US2 wrote: »

Show me where Bob Lazar ever made a claim like that he saw aliens killing staff. Absolute nonsense.

People make up claims to discredit that actual claims he made.

Google it. He genuinely made all sorts of ridiculous claims when he first went public ...

Look it up and research it and you will see he’s absolutely full of sh1t

Beechwoodspark · 27-05-2021 9:20pm

Here’s a link to some of Lazars mad rubbish

http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/bob.lazar

And this is a good aul read on him....

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Robert_Lazar

Lots of stuff online blowing holes in his claims.

Drexel_3 · 27-05-2021 9:28pm

Why has all this ufo stuff popped up again after years of hearing nothing? Why are military suddenly releasing all this footage?

I'd love more than anything for some sort of big discovery to be made in my lifetime regarding this sort of stuff but I'm skeptical of why all this is being released now

buried · 27-05-2021 9:31pm

55 knots? lol Why don't they Shoot the things! Then find out what these "UAPS" are. You can bet your arse that if the USS Omaha was in the Persian Gulf and some Unidentified Aerial Yoke came at them from the direction of Iran, at only 55 knots, it would be shot to pieces in a matter of seconds.

Rhys Essien · 27-05-2021 9:32pm

buried wrote: »

These things are just flying about the USS Omaha and all they do is just glawp at them? Why don't they shoot the f**king things?

Where to start. You could be looking at something a million years more advanced and your first thought is shoot at them. Why would any rational person shoot at something that you cannot comprehend and posing no threat.

It would be like a caveman firing rocks at an Apache helicopter.

There has been cases of some air forces shooting at UFOs and in return got shot down which in my view is fair enough. Don’t fcuk with what you don’t know.

silliussoddius · 27-05-2021 9:33pm

Drexel_3 wrote: »

Why has all this ufo stuff popped up again after years of hearing nothing? Why are military suddenly releasing all this footage?

I'd love more than anything for some sort of big discovery to be made in my lifetime regarding this sort of stuff but I'm skeptical of why all this is being released now

The military isn't releasing it, people are leaking it and some has been got via freedom of information. The fact that it's going through Robert Bigelow buddy George Knapp makes me wary.

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