Bought a car on auction in UK without v5

pawelba · 09-02-2019 9:43am #1

Bought a car on auction in UK without v5, DVLA used to send cert of permanent export which was enough to register the car here. They stopped doing that on 14th of Jan 2019. So if the car has neither v5 nor the cert, is there any way to vrt it?
Can apply for v5 replacement giving them my friend's uk address? Or if the car is in ireland already it won't work?

macplaxton · 09-02-2019 1:28pm

Don't buy a car without a V5C!

https://www.gov.uk/taking-vehicles-out-of-uk

Isambard · 09-02-2019 2:48pm

macplaxton wrote: »

Don't buy a car without a V5C!

https://www.gov.uk/taking-vehicles-out-of-uk

especially if that's really true about not sending export certs any more.

macplaxton · 09-02-2019 8:29pm

It is really true.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-a-certificate-of-permanent-export

galwaytt · 10-02-2019 8:47am

pawelba wrote: »

Bought a car on auction in UK without v5, DVLA used to send cert of permanent export which was enough to register the car here. They stopped doing that on 14th of Jan 2019. So if the car has neither v5 nor the cert, is there any way to vrt it?
Can apply for v5 replacement giving them my friend's uk address? Or if the car is in ireland already it won't work?

How do you know they owned it if you didn't see the V5 ??

Even if you did see it, you still need it with you. The amount of people who let the seller 'send it to the DVLC first' boggles : does no-one read anything anymore? It actually says it on it.

And the sellers are equally uninformed.

pawelba · 10-02-2019 3:15pm

buying and selling for last few years. most of the cars from auctions do not have v5 as they are destroyed by insurance companies. up to 14.01.19 you could get cert of export.
now - you can apply for replacement v5 but you need uk address.
i was wondering if anybody has done it already or if there is any other way to register it here?

macplaxton · 11-02-2019 4:14pm

galwaytt wrote: »

How do you know they owned it if you didn't see the V5 ??

You still don't know they owned it. The name on the V5C is the "keeper", the one they send the fines to, not necessarily the legal owner, which could be a finance co or other.

Either way, the current procedure is what it is. Either you work with that, or give up.

There are ways of registering an unregistered vehicle, but the procedure is a complete ball-ache compared to just have a vehicle registration certificate from another country to hand.

galwaytt · 11-02-2019 4:36pm

macplaxton wrote: »

You still don't know they owned it. The name on the V5C is the "keeper", the one they send the fines to, not necessarily the legal owner, which could be a finance co or other.

Either way, the current procedure is what it is. Either you work with that, or give up.

There are ways of registering an unregistered vehicle, but the procedure is a complete ball-ache compared to just have a vehicle registration certificate from another country to hand.

True, but importing aside, a car without paperwork is...........a paperweight. Or boat anchor.

biko · 11-02-2019 5:09pm

Moved out from a thread about VRT

Vladp · 02-03-2019 1:46pm

Is NIreland address any good?

macplaxton · 03-03-2019 12:19pm

NI address is good with the DVLA,.

11wingnut · 31-05-2019 9:54am

In a similar situation .. is new v5 to uk address only option..? or is there an understanding vrt person?

smc1993 · 13-06-2019 1:41am

hi I am in similar situation I bought a car but didn't know I had to take the vc5 form so the seller sent it to DVLA Swansea and they still have not sent me out anything will they send me any sort of proof of ownership or does anyone know what I have to do to get new log book its causing me a lot of hassle at min and cant seem to get a answer anywhere any advice will help ? is there any way to get the car's VRT done ??

Isambard · 13-06-2019 9:10am

smc1993 wrote: »

hi I am in similar situation I bought a car but didn't know I had to take the vc5 form so the seller sent it to DVLA Swansea and they still have not sent me out anything will they send me any sort of proof of ownership or does anyone know what I have to do to get new log book its causing me a lot of hassle at min and cant seem to get a answer anywhere any advice will help ? is there any way to get the car's VRT done ??

They won't send a new one out to an Irish address. If you contact them, they might send the old one to you, if they can trace it. You are probably looking at penalties for late VRT payment as I doubt it's a quick process. I know of no other way to do it as they no longer send out Certs of Export.

11wingnut · 13-06-2019 11:40pm

Swansea say it is up to the country the car is exported to . to get a new book.. they obviously never dealt with vrt office here ,, An Ni or Gb Address is most likely an easy way to go but takes up to 6 weeks costs 25 stg on dvla web site .

mikehn · 14-06-2019 2:11pm

Just a thought, if one registered with Parcel Motel they would then have a Northern Ireland address. Obtain their replacement V5 as EG John Smith pm 123456. The car owner collects their envelope from their PM locker. Happy days. V5 in hand with northern Ireland address and now transfers it to spouse/ self with southern address.:D

11wingnut · 14-06-2019 3:54pm

was about to post / try that ..

IJS84 · 14-06-2019 4:06pm

I was just about to suggest the PM address or An Post Addresspal as a work around the UK address issue

Isambard · 14-06-2019 8:21pm

I suspect that they won't do that.

type85 · 14-06-2019 9:37pm

Just use the V561 form and send it or fax it to Swansea as normal. It still works. I sent one in Feb and received the permanent export certificate 5 weeks later.

rugbyman · 20-06-2019 3:32pm

thank you type 85, i just rang Swansea after six weeks, which their recording had suggested it takes, they had not even received my letter(their system would have logged it on arrival)

was about to do the same again(apply from N.I) and saw your note, i see it took five weeks, the N.I. route is six hmmmm, now the question is, were you lucky

Regards

Marcusm · 20-06-2019 11:55pm

The cert of permanent export process no longer exists.

11wingnut · 21-06-2019 12:24am

i sent form to Swansey not in a hurry so try easy way first ,, but they did say on phone that they stopped sending them

11wingnut · 05-07-2019 10:36am

Swansey replied that they no longer issue export certs and up to the country car is imported to.. I think i will try parcel motel .

Batman1irish · 10-07-2019 7:52pm

What ever any one does do not try send off for the export form as the put the car done as been exported from uk /ni so no hope in getting a replacement v5 mistake I made.if haven of done that if you know anyone in Uk or north get a v62 form and 25 pound post order and send it to the address you have in new name and get them to send it to you when arrives they can send in the slip on the side to dvla to say car was exported and you have the full v5 to vrt it. Now we’re I’m stuck cause iv notified dvla and the car is down as exported from uk so would need to be registered over there again witch wouldn’t be hard if you lived there.can anyone help with ideas even for someone up the north to buy the car or a deal off something.madness illegal to charge vrt but they can’t do anything for me when wanting to pay

The Red Ace · 11-07-2019 10:39pm

As regards sending the cert to the An Post depot in London i have had stuff delivered to me where the sender had omitted the AP23C number but the parcel still arrived so to me it looks like they have you on file in the depot. Leaving the post office number out might make it less noticeable to the DVLA

Dexterd · 02-08-2019 1:09pm

hi, i am in the same situation with a car, bought from auction and didnt realise there was no v5, whats best way around this?

rugbyman · 02-08-2019 8:42pm

I applied for a v5 from a northern address. got it in under six weeks

Dexterd · 02-08-2019 9:22pm

rugbyman wrote: »

I applied for a v5 from a northern address. got it in under six weeks

Thank you very much, I will do the same thing

jlow1 · 28-08-2019 2:03pm

@pawelba did you get this sorted in the end?
Can PM me if you want.

Lemonheadlenny · 20-09-2019 2:22pm

Batman1irish wrote: »

What ever any one does do not try send off for the export form as the put the car done as been exported from uk /ni so no hope in getting a replacement v5 mistake I made.if haven of done that if you know anyone in Uk or north get a v62 form and 25 pound post order and send it to the address you have in new name and get them to send it to you when arrives they can send in the slip on the side to dvla to say car was exported and you have the full v5 to vrt it. Now we’re I’m stuck cause iv notified dvla and the car is down as exported from uk so would need to be registered over there again witch wouldn’t be hard if you lived there.can anyone help with ideas even for someone up the north to buy the car or a deal off something.madness illegal to charge vrt but they can’t do anything for me when wanting to pay

Any chance I could call you about this? Garage I bought from in Scotland reported car exported and the V5C has now been lost (although I have scanned copy- useless apparently!)

Does this mean that I cannot use the V62 to get a new V5C? I have a sister living in Edinburgh...

at my wits' end.....

Help from anyone else greatly appreciated...

Isambard · 20-09-2019 3:56pm

query answered on the other thread, maybe a Mod could amalgamate the posts?

11wingnut · 30-10-2019 11:34am

Did you get sorted? I am in a similar predicament.. Tried export cert first then ni address for v5 but they recorded it as exported now want utility bill for ni address ..

ba_barabus · 06-11-2019 1:42pm

11wingnut wrote: »

Did you get sorted? I am in a similar predicament.. Tried export cert first then ni address for v5 but they recorded it as exported now want utility bill for ni address ..

That's where I got snookered.

Are you friends with someone with a TAN number who could import the car for you and "sell" it to you.

It's a possible avenue.

Isambard · 06-11-2019 2:25pm

the problem is the UK computer shows it has been exported already and there is no paperwork to register it in Ireland. In a case like this, it would need to be re-registered as a Uk car to generate a V5C to use to re-reg it here, and you need a UK address to do that. Nightmare.

11wingnut · 06-11-2019 6:05pm

Not only an address needed , but utility bill and license

Car99 · 06-11-2019 6:16pm

Isambard wrote: »

the problem is the UK computer shows it has been exported already and there is no paperwork to register it in Ireland. In a case like this, it would need to be re-registered as a Uk car to generate a V5C to use to re-reg it here, and you need a UK address to do that. Nightmare.

I rang DVLA about getting a new V5 for a car that is on their system as being exported , they said to get a new V5 the car would have to be brought back to the UK and registered again, I believe they have to check the car physically to issue a new V5 . The same way our VRT crowd inspect cars when we want to reg them in Ireland.

And the car needs a current UK MOT to be registered in the UK or NI .

11wingnut · 06-11-2019 6:25pm

I have not seen or herd of a physical inspection ,, but they are being awkward to europeans.

Car99 · 06-11-2019 9:11pm

11wingnut wrote: »

I have not seen or herd of a physical inspection ,, but they are being awkward to europeans.

I don't know if they do theinspections but they say on their info page they may request to inspect the car.

macplaxton · 07-11-2019 4:10am

Car99 wrote: »

And the car needs a current UK MOT to be registered in the UK or NI .

Not quite. Whilst still in the EU, they have to mutually recognise other member states valid certs. If it has no current test cert, it'll need a MOT.

macplaxton · 07-11-2019 4:12am

Car99 wrote: »

I don't know if they do theinspections but they say on their info page they may request to inspect the car.

They don't do them themselves any more since they closed all the local VROs. I think they subcontracted the job out to SGS. They don't check all cars, just some.

gstack · 03-12-2019 12:33pm

Hi folks
I am in a similar position to 11-wingnut and others , bought a car, dealer sent VC5 to Swansea DVLA who have now listed the car as exported .
Do I have to re-register ?
What is the exact procedure ?
I have a friend in the uk whom is willing to help but I would like to be clear in my own head about what needs to be done first.
Do I re-register in his name as he is UK resident has UK licence , utilities etc ?
Any advice appreciated

Car99 · 03-12-2019 4:48pm

gstack wrote: »

.
Do I re-register in his name as he is UK resident has UK licence , utilities etc ?
Any advice appreciated

That would be your easiest option.

Esel · 03-12-2019 4:57pm

I'm pretty sure the car has to be in the UK to be re-registered there.

Isambard · 03-12-2019 9:53pm

i think they may want to inspect it but possibly won't.

You can't just re-register it in his name as it is marked as exported. You'll have to go through the import procedure in order to get a new V5C issued in your friends name and address. You can then use this to register the car in Ireland.

gstack · 04-12-2019 1:21pm

Isambard wrote: »

i think they may want to inspect it but possibly won't.

You can't just re-register it in his name as it is marked as exported. You'll have to go through the import procedure in order to get a new V5C issued in your friends name and address. You can then use this to register the car in Ireland.

Hi Isambard so will I have to import it in his name first to re-register it? just trying to clarify

TheBoyConor · 04-12-2019 1:28pm

I'd say the best bet here is put the car up on donedeal as sold as seen for a knockdown cash price and get rid of it asap.

Whocare · 04-12-2019 2:28pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I'd say the best bet here is put the car up on donedeal as sold as seen for a knockdown cash price and get rid of it asap.

Who would buy it without a v5 no one

TheBoyConor · 04-12-2019 2:37pm

An import dealer perhaps. But they'd only give you small money.

you could also break it and sell it for parts.

Isambard · 04-12-2019 3:27pm

gstack wrote: »

Hi Isambard so will I have to import it in his name first to re-register it? just trying to clarify

you'll have to import it back into the UK (on paper as a minimum)to get it in his UK name and then re-import it here. You have to get a V5C somehow otherwise you can't reg it here.

11wingnut · 04-12-2019 3:36pm

Isambard wrote: »

you'll have to import it back into the UK (on paper as a minimum)to get it in his UK name and then re-import it here. You have to get a V5C somehow otherwise you can't reg it here.

Correct , should only be a paperwork exercise.. i will tell you how i get on.. Swansey are being very non european , they say the country you import it into will sort it. They have not had to deal with spanish nct company who say no way.

Bought a car on auction in UK without v5

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