St. Marnocks Bay - Dun Si

brisan · 18-09-2020 7:46pm

House Hunt wrote: »

Not sure what the developer is playing at here. Just today, half the HTB stock removed from availabilty ahead of next week's launch. Leaves around 7 units available under HTB and they are the less desirable units, east facing and overlooked front and back with smaller gardens on the end of terrace units.

Is the demand not as great as we are being told for the finches gate units to be pulled at the last minute ahead of launch?

Maybe going for social housing
Council could have bought them

House Hunt · 18-09-2020 8:22pm

brisan wrote: »

Maybe going for social housing
Council could have bought them

Surely that would have already been known about long before today.

sparkle109 · 19-09-2020 12:57am

Hi thanks for posting this. Where did you get this info, and which ones are the finches gates units?
We were interested in these houses and the info available just keeps changing...
Thanks

House Hunt wrote: »

Not sure what the developer is playing at here. Just today, half the HTB stock removed from availabilty ahead of next week's launch. Leaves around 7 units available under HTB and they are the less desirable units, east facing and overlooked front and back with smaller gardens on the end of terrace units.

Is the demand not as great as we are being told for the finches gate units to be pulled at the last minute ahead of launch?

House Hunt · 19-09-2020 11:23am

sparkle109 wrote: »

Hi thanks for posting this. Where did you get this info, and which ones are the finches gates units?
We were interested in these houses and the info available just keeps changing...
Thanks

House Hunt wrote: »

Not sure what the developer is playing at here. Just today, half the HTB stock removed from availabilty ahead of next week's launch. Leaves around 7 units available under HTB and they are the less desirable units, east facing and overlooked front and back with smaller gardens on the end of terrace units.

Is the demand not as great as we are being told for the finches gate units to be pulled at the last minute ahead of launch?

All the info is publicly available on the website's siteplan

sparkle109 · 19-09-2020 2:39pm

Thanks, I’d seen it last week but doesn’t seem to have changed? There was always a small number for HTB and the semi detached and some end of terrace priced over 500 so exempt?

House Hunt wrote: »

All the info is publicly available on the website's siteplan

House Hunt · 19-09-2020 10:28pm

sparkle109 wrote: »

Thanks, I’d seen it last week but doesn’t seem to have changed? There was always a small number for HTB and the semi detached and some end of terrace priced over 500 so exempt?

It has changed. The units on Finches Gate were in colour last week but are now greyed out because they are unavailable.

Alicano · 21-09-2020 9:14am

chinguetti wrote: »

I've lived in Portmarnock for over 3 years in 2 estates under the flight path and you do get used to the planes and the noises. After a while you don't notice them and only notice when they're not flying or heading into the airport from a different direction. I can understand the noise isn't for all but the new runway I believe is going to change the direction the planes come in from.

Also there's 2 creches already under the flight path across the road so if that's the reason there's isn't a third, its a strange one.

Incorrect. The new runway is parallel to current main runway 10/28. So no change in direction other than being slightly more northerly. In the perfect world it will actually allow for more aircraft using dual runways. One for departures and other for arrivals.
New regs regarding noise were introduced after the original Kilns development were built.

YGG · 21-09-2020 2:41pm

Re noise, just moved in to the development and the noise level is fine. We are currently living on a main road in Ballsbridge and the noise from the road is much louder than the development.

Re Skylark, the foreman told me that viewings have already started - maybe that's why some properties have been greyed out?

brisan · 21-09-2020 3:15pm

YGG wrote: »

Re noise, just moved in to the development and the noise level is fine. We are currently living on a main road in Ballsbridge and the noise from the road is much louder than the development.

Re Skylark, the foreman told me that viewings have already started - maybe that's why some properties have been greyed out?

Dublin Airport is operating at about 10% capacity at present

Rickytumtum · 21-09-2020 3:31pm

For those wondering about the noise - I bought in Dun Si and have been here a year now. First thing is first, you can’t ignore the planes. If you are in the garden and one comes overhead (arriving to Ireland) there’s probably a couple of seconds where you are drowned out. Pre covid, you were getting a plane every few minutes - depending on what way the wind is blowing. If planes are taking off over Portmarnock, it’s arguably not as bad or loud as when they are coming in. When you are in the house and the doors and windows are closed, you don’t even notice it. At 11pm on a Sunday night (which was in my opinion the worst time) then you do notice it. But you get used to it.

In summer when the windows are open, it is obviously much louder. I still sleep with the windows open and don’t notice so much, but this is covid time. Full capacity flights might be different.

All in all, we spent a long time considering whether it was worth buying, considering the obvious issue. We are happy with our choice. The area is nice, the people are nice and there’s so much on the doorstep. Believe it or not, it is very peaceful. Living in the middle of donnybrook or Dundrum is 100 times louder, in the middle of the day at least.

We also had to weigh up buying in an area we wanted versus fixer uppers somewhere else or continuing to rent. It worked for us. We also have access to the Dart, which is obviously a huge player in terms of the value of the homes. But everyone’s circumstances are different. I think if you have doubts, don’t buy. It’ll only eat you up wondering if you made the right choice.

I’m happy though, and wish everyone the best of luck!

House Hunt · 21-09-2020 4:36pm

YGG wrote: »

Re noise, just moved in to the development and the noise level is fine. We are currently living on a main road in Ballsbridge and the noise from the road is much louder than the development.

Re Skylark, the foreman told me that viewings have already started - maybe that's why some properties have been greyed out?

Viewings haven't started - it's only launching this Wednesday with the first viewings of the show house available on that day.

JustAThought · 21-09-2020 8:02pm

Alicano wrote: »

Incorrect. The new runway is parallel to current main runway 10/28. So no change in direction other than being slightly more northerly. In the perfect world it will actually allow for more aircraft using dual runways. One for departures and other for arrivals.
New regs regarding noise were introduced after the original Kilns development were built.

New airport regulations were highly contentious and were fought for years by the residents of north county dublin with Portmarnock having a lengthy and particuoarly strong protest group comprising thousands. The ‘new’ regulations and highly controversial and most hated new ‘regulatory authority’ are the WEAKEST in Europe, and offer the WORST regulatory environment for residents.

The new runway hs not
opened yet. Airport is
operating in different runways and flightpaths. The capacity and size of the olnea the new runway has been built to facilitate have not yet been HEARD yet as the ild
runway couod not facilitate them. The new runway and new regulations for airport noise will allow for 24/7’flights.

The flightpath and airpllane noise over Portmarnock is going to get a LOT worse - horrifically so.

And residents have been complaining about it as it was, for decades.

Families in St Margarets, whole
roads, have been CPO’d because of the new noise - other houses out there literally shake with the might of the new planes and many have been selected for triple glazing and roof insulation because of the danger to health of the projected noise. While streets are being CPO’d etc etc etc

Portmarnock is going to be badly hit.
Try standing in the beach at the Lidl end on the current incoming lNding flightpath as a plane flys overhead and now imagine that 24/7 only with planes double the capacity as you try to sleep
or settle a child to sleep.

Yellow_Blue · 22-09-2020 3:47pm

This airport thing is very frustrating...
Anyone who gave up on this estate found better option elsewhere?
We are completely lost on, where to buy at the moment. Very poor selection... Even 600k options are far from dream home.

This development ticked so many boxes but noise is definitely a no-go

merikahan · 22-09-2020 5:05pm

Yellow_Blue wrote: »

Anyone who gave up on this estate found better option elsewhere?

Did you try bay-view.ie next to Clongriffin dart station

sparkle109 · 22-09-2020 5:35pm

How bad can the noise really be? In a new house with double glazing...id guess the noise outside is a trade off with the nice location, close to dart, beach etc

Yellow_Blue · 22-09-2020 5:37pm

sparkle109 wrote: »

How bad can the noise really be? In a new house with double glazing...id guess the noise outside is a trade off with the nice location, close to dart, beach etc

Inside is probably ok, but in the garden.. after paying 600k ....

sparkle109 · 22-09-2020 5:44pm

I guess so, I think like most things it would be a case of getting used to it.. that or settle for a development that doesn’t tick as many of our boxes - neither ideal options really

Yellow_Blue wrote: »

Inside is probably ok, but in the garden.. after paying 600k ....

cunnerz21 · 22-09-2020 7:41pm

I've lived across the road in the apartments for the last 4 years and hoping to buy in skylark. Planes not an issue for me, got used to them very quickly after moving to the area! Quite like sitting down watching them come in actually! It won't disturb you when your inside or trying to sleep. Pretty sure there was a stipulation in the planning that the noise inside had to be under 35 dicibels.

jalikhata · 22-09-2020 7:48pm

merikahan wrote: »

Did you try bay-view.ie next to Clongriffin dart station

I also dropped my plan here due to airflight noise which is going to be more in future. Bay view sounds to be a good option.

cunnerz21 · 23-09-2020 12:09pm

jalikhata wrote: »

I also dropped my plan here due to airflight noise which is going to be more in future. Bay view sounds to be a good option.

Will the plane noise only be marginally better here, it's still pretty close to the flight path no?

brisan · 23-09-2020 12:18pm

jalikhata wrote: »

I also dropped my plan here due to airflight noise which is going to be more in future. Bay view sounds to be a good option.

Check out the neighbours in bay view
The mobile kind of neighbours

jalikhata · 23-09-2020 12:34pm

brisan wrote: »

Check out the neighbours in bay view
The mobile kind of neighbours

What do you mean by mobile kind of neighbours? Is it bad neighbourhood there?

jalikhata · 23-09-2020 12:35pm

cunnerz21 wrote: »

Will the plane noise only be marginally better here, it's still pretty close to the flight path no?

You mean bay view?

Yellow_Blue · 23-09-2020 1:05pm

jalikhata wrote: »

What do you mean by mobile kind of neighbours? Is it bad neighbourhood there?

The ones on horses?

Tazium · 23-09-2020 1:09pm

Wife and I bought in Dun Si, still waiting on keys. From inside there's no noise, absolutely none. Doors and Windows open returns some noise but nothing at a worrying level. Being in the garden would have more, again nothing that bothers us. Very hard to get a perfect house that meets the budget, location, and facilities. We'll have the noise for the location and we're happy.

brisan · 23-09-2020 1:13pm

Tazium wrote: »

Wife and I bought in Dun Si, still waiting on keys. From inside there's no noise, absolutely none. Doors and Windows open returns some noise but nothing at a worrying level. Being in the garden would have more, again nothing that bothers us. Very hard to get a perfect house that meets the budget, location, and facilities. We'll have the noise for the location and we're happy.

Dublin airport is running at about 10% of last years traffic
If you are happy with noise that's grand ,many are not

Tazium · 23-09-2020 1:17pm

That's also fair. Buyer's decision and all that. There will always be need for compromise.

Yellow_Blue · 23-09-2020 1:24pm

We are very close of making final decision to move to one of the Nordic capitals even with one job less we'll be better off in terms of housing and quality of life...Similar houses close to airport costs 350k , the difference pretty much equals few years of housewifing while learning language. And there are no mobile families in some countries ( except Sweden)

Or may be Cork

cunnerz21 · 23-09-2020 1:38pm

jalikhata wrote: »

You mean bay view?

Yeah in Bayview. That's near Clongriffin station right?

jalikhata · 23-09-2020 1:38pm

Yellow_Blue wrote: »

The ones on horses?

M really sorry, but still i didn’t get you

brisan · 23-09-2020 1:48pm

jalikhata wrote: »

M really sorry, but still i didn’t get you

There is a large settled traveller halting site on the Moyne road near Bay View.
They settled there illegally years ago as it was near the trotting racetrack in Portmarnock

its now a legal council run Traveller halting site

JustAThought · 24-09-2020 12:11am

brisan wrote: »

There is a large settled traveller halting site on the Moyne road near Bay View.
They settled there illegally years ago as it was near the trotting racetrack in Portmarnock

its now a legal council run Traveller halting site

Its beside ehere they are now building a huge new development of ‘houses’ - you’d have heard of it - eighteen traveller ‘homes’ recently moved in there too and refused to go unless they were given a couole of thousand moving money by the builders. Its now playing out in the high court - its literally up the road. Same or similar ‘travellers’ - 16 caravans and as many white hiace vans many with no registration plates ( they fell off boss) are now ‘camped’ up in Gorse Hill near the Ryanair HQ and new Tesco - odd thing is - guess what - they are building new houses there too - must be a lucrative source of money for them. One winders where CAB and Revenue and SW investigatirs are. And as usual - refuse piling up high alonside them. Its in their ‘culture’.

Anybody interested in airport noise should look up the faIrly passive Portmarnock Forum on the internet or St Margarets anti night flights airport facsbook group - what is happening to
homes, businesses, schools and communities in St Margarets is chilling. If it was happening in Korea ir China RTE would be aLl over it. Houses too close to the new ( not yet opened or used runway) being CPO’d as uninhabitable due to noise, schools being soundproofed as unsafe for childrens hearing but no protection for outdoor games/GAA pitches, Businesses and their land being offered only a set houseprice rate for the bricks & mortar & no compensAtion for loss of business or luvluehood or farms yet the land being deIgnated unsafe for human habitation due to noise levels, etc etc
All this before the runway opens and before the new most lax laws in Europe in relation to planes and noise are enacted in Ireland courtesy of Fingal County Council - the new airport regulation approved body. You couldn’t make it up.

brisan · 24-09-2020 9:57am

JustAThought wrote: »

Its beside ehere they are now building a huge new development of ‘houses’ - you’d have heard of it - eighteen traveller ‘homes’ recently moved in there too and refused to go unless they were given a couole of thousand moving money by the builders. Its now playing out in the high court - its literally up the road. Same or similar ‘travellers’ - 16 caravans and as many white hiace vans many with no registration plates ( they fell off boss) are now ‘camped’ up in Gorse Hill near the Ryanair HQ and new Tesco - odd thing is - guess what - they are building new houses there too - must be a lucrative source of money for them. One winders where CAB and Revenue and SW investigatirs are. And as usual - refuse piling up high alonside them. Its in their ‘culture’.

Anybody interested in airport noise should look up the faIrly passive Portmarnock Forum on the internet or St Margarets anti night flights airport facsbook group - what is happening to
homes, businesses, schools and communities in St Margarets is chilling. If it was happening in Korea ir China RTE would be aLl over it. Houses too close to the new ( not yet opened or used runway) being CPO’d as uninhabitable due to noise, schools being soundproofed as unsafe for childrens hearing but no protection for outdoor games/GAA pitches, Businesses and their land being offered only a set houseprice rate for the bricks & mortar & no compensAtion for loss of business or luvluehood or farms yet the land being deIgnated unsafe for human habitation due to noise levels, etc etc
All this before the runway opens and before the new most lax laws in Europe in relation to planes and noise are enacted in Ireland courtesy of Fingal County Council - the new airport regulation approved body. You couldn’t make it up.

Surely a conscientious EA or Developer will inform all prospective buyers of such information
Or is it a case of Caveat Emptor

House Hunt · 24-09-2020 10:29am

JustAThought wrote: »

Its beside ehere they are now building a huge new development of ‘houses’ - you’d have heard of it - eighteen traveller ‘homes’ recently moved in there too and refused to go unless they were given a couole of thousand moving money by the builders. Its now playing out in the high court - its literally up the road. Same or similar ‘travellers’ - 16 caravans and as many white hiace vans many with no registration plates ( they fell off boss) are now ‘camped’ up in Gorse Hill near the Ryanair HQ and new Tesco - odd thing is - guess what - they are building new houses there too - must be a lucrative source of money for them. One winders where CAB and Revenue and SW investigatirs are. And as usual - refuse piling up high alonside them. Its in their ‘culture’.

Anybody interested in airport noise should look up the faIrly passive Portmarnock Forum on the internet or St Margarets anti night flights airport facsbook group - what is happening to
homes, businesses, schools and communities in St Margarets is chilling. If it was happening in Korea ir China RTE would be aLl over it. Houses too close to the new ( not yet opened or used runway) being CPO’d as uninhabitable due to noise, schools being soundproofed as unsafe for childrens hearing but no protection for outdoor games/GAA pitches, Businesses and their land being offered only a set houseprice rate for the bricks & mortar & no compensAtion for loss of business or luvluehood or farms yet the land being deIgnated unsafe for human habitation due to noise levels, etc etc
All this before the runway opens and before the new most lax laws in Europe in relation to planes and noise are enacted in Ireland courtesy of Fingal County Council - the new airport regulation approved body. You couldn’t make it up.

Care to share a link to the portmarnock forum on the internet or the correct name of the facebook group as nothing is coming up in the search bar for what you've mentioned above.

sparkle109 · 28-09-2020 11:47pm

Does anyone know how the launch went? Seems to be some still up on daft from what I can see

cunnerz21 · 29-09-2020 11:07am

sparkle109 wrote: »

Does anyone know how the launch went? Seems to be some still up on daft from what I can see

Apparently just 2 3 bed units left

House Hunt · 29-09-2020 11:37am

cunnerz21 wrote: »

Apparently just 2 3 bed units left

Ya 2 semi-detached units, not on HTB. They are the exact same house as the end of terrace on HTB.

Hulk Hands · 29-09-2020 11:56am

Any idea of the price of the detached 4 bed?

House Hunt · 29-09-2020 12:13pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Any idea of the price of the detached 4 bed?

640/645 depending on the orientation. Both were sold

sparkle109 · 30-09-2020 2:54pm

Thanks for the reply. Strange that they’d price the semi detached just over the HTB limit, especially as not significantly different than the end terrace.
Does anyone know if there’s a management fee here? I know the new development at the coast baldoyle has a management fee

merikahan · 30-09-2020 4:26pm

sparkle109 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. Strange that they’d price the semi detached just over the HTB limit, especially as not significantly different than the end terrace.
Does anyone know if there’s a management fee here? I know the new development at the coast baldoyle has a management fee

There is no management fees per my last discussion I had with EA but it was for Dun-Si (not skylark).

How did you like the new development at the coast, baldoyle ?

yourdeadwright · 30-09-2020 4:55pm

brisan wrote: »

Check out the neighbours in bay view
The mobile kind of neighbours

Not sure what your getting at but the Travellers who live on the Moyne road have been there for over 30 years and to my knowledge they have never caused any issues in the area or surrounding area

I know a couple of them personally just to say hello to and have chat and there decent families and people who keep themselves to themselves ,

Anyone in the area will tell you the same ,

brisan · 01-10-2020 6:10pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not sure what your getting at but the Travellers who live on the Moyne road have been there for over 30 years and to my knowledge they have never caused any issues in the area or surrounding area

I know a couple of them personally just to say hello to and have chat and there decent families and people who keep themselves to themselves ,

Anyone in the area will tell you the same ,

Lived in the area since 1971

MArk2486 · 24-10-2020 1:21pm

Hi All,

Looking at houses in this area and wanted to see about Dun Si - for anyone living there currently. Some questions:

How long did it take for the build?
Buying off the plans - were you shown optional floor plans or was it just house numbers?
How do you find the neighbour noise through the semi-d and terrace? (Loud TV/music etc)
The air to water heat system - how is that working out? Much of a difference with bills? And is there always hot water?

Thanks!

Bubbaclaus · 24-10-2020 3:19pm

MArk2486 wrote: »

Hi All,

Looking at houses in this area and wanted to see about Dun Si - for anyone living there currently. Some questions:

How long did it take for the build?
Buying off the plans - were you shown optional floor plans or was it just house numbers?
How do you find the neighbour noise through the semi-d and terrace? (Loud TV/music etc)
The air to water heat system - how is that working out? Much of a difference with bills? And is there always hot water?

Thanks!

I can't help with any of the other questions, but as far as I am aware all of the Dun Si development has already been built with a while. So you wouldn't be buying off plans in Dun Si.

sparkle109 · 24-10-2020 3:46pm

We have signed contracts for Skylark which is beside Dun si and have been told it’ll likely be June/July before they’re ready. Unfortunately can’t answer your questions but would be interested in replies

MArk2486 · 24-10-2020 3:49pm

Congrats! Exciting times - did you have much option on the plans, or was it smash and grab take what was left? Skylark release looked to be very small number of houses

MArk2486 · 24-10-2020 3:51pm

Thanks for that - as I said, looking at the overall complex, and wanted to understand more about the process that people had in Dun Si as the next phase Skylark is quite similar

sparkle109 · 24-10-2020 4:20pm

To be honest, no, no scope for changing anything as far as I know and by the time we got our appointment to view quite a few had been reserved. I think there are some left however, are you looking at the same development?

MArk2486 wrote: »

Congrats! Exciting times - did you have much option on the plans, or was it smash and grab take what was left? Skylark release looked to be very small number of houses

chinguetti · 24-10-2020 10:20pm

MArk2486 wrote: »

Hi All,

Looking at houses in this area and wanted to see about Dun Si - for anyone living there currently. Some questions:

How long did it take for the build?
Buying off the plans - were you shown optional floor plans or was it just house numbers?
How do you find the neighbour noise through the semi-d and terrace? (Loud TV/music etc)
The air to water heat system - how is that working out? Much of a difference with bills? And is there always hot water?

Thanks!

We're in an apartment in Dun Si so these answers might help you. As mentioned earlier, Dun Si is finished as a development so not sure how relevant the answers are though.

Build - they were 3 months behind schedule so nearly a year.
Options - none were shown to us or anyone I know of.
Noise - Its soundproof due to the flight path so not an issue
Heating system - works fine but yet to meet anyone who knows how to work it right.
Bills - Can't answer that until we figure out how to work it
Hot warm - yep, all the time.

St. Marnocks Bay - Dun Si

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