Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot to merge

Sounds like a weird mix of Stellar and Atlantis.
I suppose we'll get used to it.

jesus h christ, every time the name Fiat or FCA is mentioned here there is a shed load of "car enthustiasts" on here to sh*t all over them and their products with pretty much 0 real understanding of wtf they are talking about.

Fiat have the brand new 500e which is a truly top class product, Alfa have the Stelvio, Gulietta Tonale (2021), Maserati a bunch too - proper, interesting alternatives to Germans and at least 20times better than the total crap box Avensis that have lads crying in their tea over here on boards or whaking off coz the Camery is coming back ( another boring sh*t box too dull to care about )

I think if any of you truly gave a crap about motoring and cars you'd be less inclined to ring your hands and try show your motoring knowledge by crapping on the great european motoring brands, and instead be hopeful these brands can survive their slump and use the current move to EV to morph back into the great innovators they once were and bring that innovation into the 21st century

road_high wrote: »

I love the new 500e- anyone a price in Ireland? One of the most desirable cars I’ve seen in a long time, very contemporary and classless

Starting £20k in the UK for "Action" trim which looks fairly barren : https://www.fiat.co.uk/500-electric

Passion trim £23495
Icon £24995
La Prima (First Edition?) £26995

L1011 wrote: »

La Prima was rumored to be 38k here, but I don't know if that was pre- or post-rebates/grants. Those UK prices are after grant; so basically 30k sterling for which 38k euro makes sense.

Yes I read the La Prima was £30k which I was a bit taken aback by- granted it looks like a fantastic premium product. Interested to see what the lower to mid specs will start off at. Getting someone to spend that kind of money on a small Fiat will be a tall order I think

LIGHTNING wrote: »

+1

Just look at the GR Yaris thread and the amount of people saying "OMG its a 30k Yaris" :rolleyes:

I dont spend much time here anymore - but only 30k for a GR Yaris ! from what I read thats an absolute bargain !

colm_mcm wrote: »

It’s a €50k Yaris though

now that makes sense !

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Thanks for proving RobAMerc point, right on time too

Wrong, biggly. I have no problem with Fiat build quality or reliability. I do, however think that the 500 is very much a woman's car. I certainly wouldn't drive one.

Doesn't change my opinion. Most of them I see are driven by women.

I see the mods are hunting in packs now.

Jayzus, a live one! :pac:

I'd say you really lose the head every time the alfa won't start.

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Wrong, biggly. I have no problem with Fiat build quality or reliability. I do, however think that the 500 is very much a woman's car. I certainly wouldn't drive one.

I wouldn’t either but that’s only because of my masculine insecurities and also the type of mixed driving I do which wouldn’t suit a 500. The new electric one is still a super little car, read all about in depth in Top Gear mag a few months ago. This is a premium quality product- if the price can be made more attractive and stick in a petrol/hybrid option it can be one of Europe’s best selling cars again

ba_barabus wrote: »

My Alfa always started and never gave any unexpected issue, as does my Avensis

I used to get a 500 when the Alfa was bring serviced, I bloody well loved driving them.

Wasn't slagging alfas at all, just having a dig at some lamp on a high horse. I see he's deleted his posts now.

Are you saying I'm not allowed express my opinion on a car, on a car forum? It's not funny, it's not a stereotype, I formed my opinion based on my observation that most of the cars I see are driven by women. I have never posted this in another thread. Is that OK with you, beauf?

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Are you saying I'm not allowed express my opinion on a car, on a car forum? It's not funny, it's not a stereotype, I formed my opinion based on my observation that most of the cars I see are driven by women. I have never posted this in another thread. Is that OK with you, beauf?

We are talking about the new 500e here not the old/current one. The difference and upgrade is night and day and really isn’t worthy of dismissive derision

I certainly didn't dismiss it. Only time will tell, but I'd hazard a guess that the majority of them will be bought by women, as with the current model.

RobAMerc wrote: »

Jesus - I must be a right bird so, I had a 500 and I have an MX5 ( another hairdressers car despite me having more hair on me nuts than my head ! ). But it does prove a point, I have nuts, so I dont need my car to prove I'm a man !

You may well be, I don't know. So I have no nuts because I observe that a particular car is mostly driven by women? You use a woman's logic, that's for sure.

Anyway back to this merger.
They say they have significant spare factory capacity and will look to cut costs.

Going to be very messy and political in deciding which factories get shut down.
French, German, UK & Italian governments/unions will want to keep their factories/jobs.

beauf wrote: »

Interesting times ahead. I've lost track of how they were all doing globally.

Pre COVID PSA were doing very well financially with one of the highest margins among all car manufacturers.

ongarite wrote: »

Pre COVID PSA were doing very well financially with one of the highest margins among all car manufacturers.

Fiat Chrysler is a mixed bag- Jeep Ram is very profitable. I think Dodge is too.
The other brands all have problems, especially Chrysler itself

beauf wrote: »

Whats in it for them so....

As above, access to US market and profitable Jeep, Dodge brands.