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2021 Players Championship, Feb 22-28

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  • Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭robinwing


    Was hoping jack would stand up and give ronnie something to think about tonight. Feels a bit like man against boy so far.

    He threw away that second frame. He didnt punish Ronnies miss to the middle left pocket . Its not looking good for him now. If he goes 3 -0 down he could be out the back door very fast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    At least done by a sublime break there. Just the ease with which ronnie compiled that, an artist at work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Wonder when was the last time O’Sullivan took 2 minutes over a shot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Feel a bit sorry for jack here, this is just relentless and ruthless. The focus from ronnie is almost scary, you'd wonder if jack didnt offend him in some way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Jack L being given a right lesson. Had his chances and has not taken them. Ronnie doing a John Higgins on him. Just matchplaying him waiting for him to make the mistakes.

    I am not sure Jack will ever move on to the 'next level' that the commentators are on about. They seem to be saying that for years at this stage.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Jack L being given a right lesson. Had his chances and has not taken them. Ronnie doing a John Higgins on him. Just matchplaying him waiting for him to make the mistakes.

    I am not sure Jack will ever move on to the 'next level' that the commentators are on about. They seem to be saying that for years at this stage.

    Yeah, potting ability not enough on its own. That first frame he was trading good safety until he ran out of patience and took on an over ambitious long one, frame over. So it is with him. The fact he's never won a tournament, not even a minor one, is instructive i think and as things stand, he's struggling a bit for his world champs top 16 seeding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Yeah, potting ability not enough on its own. That first frame he was trading good safety until he ran out of patience and took on an over ambitious long one, frame over. So it is with him. The fact he's never won a tournament, not even a minor one, is instructive i think and as things stand, he's struggling a bit for his world champs top 16 seeding.

    Jack reminds me a bit of a Ronnie where he used to just lose the head, get annoyed and give up. I would hate being one of his supporters really annoying to watch. Obviously loads of natural talent. Flashy stuff easy for him. Matchplay and tactical stuff aren't there at all.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Jack reminds me a bit of a Ronnie where he used to just lose the head, get annoyed and give up. I would hate being one of his supporters really annoying to watch. Obviously loads of natural talent. Flashy stuff easy for him. Matchplay and tactical stuff aren't there at all.

    Type of player who really needed a good coach and extended lessons in how to develop patience and a mentality for the big days. I never thought having judd as main practice partner as he did for years was very good for him. Somehow judd learned that developing his game was critical for the future but jack didnt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Looking forward to post match interview to see how ronnie manages to find fault with his game.


  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just tuned into this, and can't say it's much of a surprise that Higgins is 3-0 up, and on 'the cusp' of getting this next one against The Jester. The way he took JB apart with consummate ease in the last 16/1st round means him and Ron are definitely the guys to beat this week. Yeah, it's 4-0.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Looks like it's gonna be four very one sided quarter-finals unless Selby can do a Selby.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Yeah, way they're playing you'd have to fancy a higgins-ron final which would be a nice set up after the recent demolition job by higgins at the masters. Cant see selby coming back- famous last words notwithstanding - or hawkins standing in the way of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Selby won't make it easy for Higgins (or easy to watch) but the way Higgins is playing now I can't see anything other than a win. Looking forward to tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Higgins near 90% long pot success, 9 from 11. Doesnt get much better than that. That's the key these days, the confidence you get when those shots are going in. Same with ronnie to a certain extent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Jaysus, looking like 5-0 now. John hasn't lost a frame in the tournament yet...


  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yep, John Higgins is having one of them 'On his Day' type performances... Unless they're playing each other, there's only going to be one winner if John, Ronnie, or Judd are bringing their A game. Surprising though that Higgins still can do it, given the fact that he is neither young, or one of the more fitter players in the mid 30s+ category... That new ferrule, as it's called, and the way he addresses the cueball (he was saying he was listening to Ronnie and Stephen on commentary once, and it made him keep the tip closer to the white as he was doing his 'feathers' - gives him more power I think he said; without having to hit it any harder).


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Did Selby pot 3 balls? That has to be a record low for a best of 11 match?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    6 points in a bo11. Have to check but definitely close to record territory for sure. Remember ronnie dismantling marco fu a few years back but dont think it was bad as that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    And dave hendon stat about ronnie and higgins last ranking final being as far back as 2005 quite surprising too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭weemcd


    That's the biggest hiding I've ever seen in snooker.


  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Did Selby pot 3 balls? That has to be a record low for a best of 11 match?

    Good spot that. Confirmed by Jill in the studio..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    It was 7 points. I diddled mark out of a point earlier! Confirmed lowest ever points total in a televised bo11 match. A total beatdown.


  • Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭robinwing


    weemcd wrote: »
    That's the biggest hiding I've ever seen in snooker.

    He didnt just whitewash him , he brownwashed him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    They mentioned it as the biggest total point difference in televised snooker history as well. 543-7 in the end I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,904 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    What are the odds on a Hawkins V Wilson final, I wonder.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Barry simply had to take that frame anyway. Was almost certain he'd missed the yellow for a second.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Noticeable ronnie not dropped his chalk once the past 3 frames.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Frame 10, getting edgy, lots of mistakes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭tanko


    Ronnie doing his best to throw this away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    O’Sullivan misses the red twice, gets warned about the third miss and then plays the same shot again anyway. Risky, I like it.

    6-4.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭tanko


    Hawkins will be kicking himself after that. He had Ronnie under a lot of pressure, his last shot was very poor. At 5-5 Hawkins would have had a great chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Interesting hendry asking ronnie about the lack of crowds. I dont think anyones really loving milton keynes, but i'm inclined to think ronnies thriving under the conditions more than most. Lack of crowds, lack of media, lack of fuss suits him. In and out. Think it definitely helped him win the worlds and its the reason he had a change of heart about playing the masters. I had all but written him off to get the 6th world title, now i believe he has a very serious chance of landing the very significant 7th.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,904 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    Interesting hendry asking ronnie about the lack of crowds. I dont think anyones really loving milton keynes, but i'm inclined to think ronnies thriving under the conditions more than most. Lack of crowds, lack of media, lack of fuss suits him. In and out. Think it definitely helped him win the worlds and its the reason he had a change of heart about playing the masters. I had all but written him off to get the 6th world title, now i believe he has a very serious chance of landing the very significant 7th.

    Not sure about that since he hasn't won anything since the WC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭tanko


    Hendry has fairly piled on the pounds, he's not running ten miles everyday anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Rothko wrote: »
    Not sure about that since he hasn't won anything since the WC.

    How much difference it might make at end of day is hard to say i guess, i just suspect it suits ronnie and more so at crucible than any place else given how tight and claustrophobic that can be. He's not winning tournaments but looks to me to be as enthused and energised about the game than he has been for years. Even practising hard with Martin Gould these past couple of months. And i dont remember he won much last season apart from the worlds so he's doing ok this season, just finds judd difficult to beat these days and that one subpar performance in wales last week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,904 ✭✭✭✭Rothko


    How much difference it might make at end of day is hard to say i guess, i just suspect it suits ronnie and more so at crucible than any place else given how tight and claustrophobic that can be. He's not winning tournaments but looks to me to be as enthused and energised about the game than he has been for years. Even practising hard with Martin Gould these past couple of months. And i dont remember he won much last season apart from the worlds so he's doing ok this season, just finds judd difficult to beat these days and that one subpar performance in wales last week.

    He hasn't had a bad record so far this season at all. After all, he did get to the final of the Scottish and Welsh Open. However, he hasn't won either of them.

    Personally, (like most fans) I'm hoping for a Ronnie V Higgins final. I don't have a clue who I think would win between them. John and Ronnie both seem to be in fantastic form and I couldn't split them at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Rothko wrote: »
    He hasn't had a bad record so far this season at all. After all, he did get to the final of the Scottish and Welsh Open. However, he hasn't won either of them.

    Personally, (like most fans) I'm hoping for a Ronnie V Higgins final. I don't have a clue who I think would win between them. John and Ronnie both seem to be in fantastic form and I couldn't split them at all.

    Point really wasnt that he was winning anything, he wasnt playing all that well pre xmas anyway, but that he's looking happier and more motivated than for a while at the moment. Thats all, and i think it augurs fairly well for another tilt at the worlds this year. It was the only title he won last season too, the one that really matters at this stage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭robinwing


    tanko wrote: »
    Hendry has fairly piled on the pounds, he's not running ten miles everyday anyway.

    He'll sweat off a few pounds when he has to play Selt next week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    I think anyone that’s made 4 ranking finals in one season has to be a contender for the WC.


  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Scottish granite :pac: - From 4 frames Wilson only accrues 7 points.. History in the making here... Yates is in awe :P No one has EVER (outside of the shootout) reached a ranking final without dropping a frame before...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Genghis


    Yates is in a perpetual state of awe.

    But Higgins is certainly on fire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Great to see Higgins playing well.

    I wonder how much this longevity thing catches. A few years ago I thought Higgins was on the way out, and I wonder if seeing Ronnie play as good as ever spurs him on. And with Williams making a return to the top as well in recent years.

    I never understood how top players once over 40 went downhill in snooker anyway. I mean it's not an athletic sport. If anything you'd expect them to be better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Eyesight as much as anything, easily fixed now.


  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not that difficult to understand really... It's a sport that requires a lot of concentration... Very tough mentally.... Same reason I guess accountants and chess players lose it a bit/go downhill in their thirties... Those activities would take similar concentration levels I'd imagine..... Lawyers; on the other hand :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    What a steal


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Can anyone take a frame off this man?!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Not that difficult to understand really... It's a sport that requires a lot of concentration... Very tough mentally.... Same reason I guess accountants and chess players lose it a bit/go downhill in their thirties... Those activities would take similar concentration levels I'd imagine..... Lawyers; on the other hand :P

    Personally I don't agree with that. I think it's more to do with a general societal attitudes to age. A bad attitude. I.e. one is over the hill by 45.

    edit: Hendry just said of Higgins "I've never seen such concentration".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Personally I don't agree with that. I think it's more to do with a general societal attitudes to age. A bad attitude. I.e. one is over the hill by 45...

    You must be young...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I'd love to see a long drawn out comeback here as I'm bored and I've run out of series to watch on netflix.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Not that difficult to understand really... It's a sport that requires a lot of concentration... Very tough mentally.... Same reason I guess accountants and chess players lose it a bit/go downhill in their thirties... Those activities would take similar concentration levels I'd imagine..... Lawyers; on the other hand :P

    Accountants only start making a few pound in their thirties.

    When they go out on their own and hire a few young grads to do what they did for the last 10 years for 25-30k a year :pac:

    And the cycle continues


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