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  • #202
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    B0jangles wrote: »
    His poor family can't really be blamed for being desperate to get him home - they are hardly thinking rationally at this point, but it's not really on for the national broadcaster to publicize a fundraising campaign for something that's so likely to end in failure and could quite possibly to lead to even more deaths.

    Raise the money for the charity he named - no better way to remember him.

    This all does seem a bit odd. You'd assume the family and RTE would know that recovery is highly unlikely.


  • #203
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    adox wrote: »
    I was always under the impression that rescuing bodies from Everest beyond a certain height was a near impossibility and hugely risky at lower levels. ....

    It is. That assuming they can be found. Which is unlikely.


  • #204
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I sympathise with the family but this gofundme is madness. €117k raised so far out of €750k goal. Imagine the good that money could do.

    Everyone who attempts Everest should be aware of the not-insigificant chance of dying up there (I believe 6% for those who summit, 1% for those who go above base camp). And also aware that your body will probably remain on the mountain (250+ bodies still there, out of ~300 deaths).

    Seamus is gone. Taking donations of €750k and risking more lives to bring a frozen body home is irresponsible.


  • #205
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I sympathise with the family but this gofundme is madness. €117k raised so far out of €750k goal. Imagine the good that money could do.

    Everyone who attempts Everest should be aware of the not-insigificant chance of dying up there (I believe 6% for those who summit, 1% for those who go above base camp). And also aware that your body will probably remain on the mountain (250+ bodies still there, out of ~300 deaths).

    Seamus is gone. Taking donations of €750k and risking more lives to bring a frozen body home is irresponsible.

    I looked up a number and they said about 2% overall but goes up with age, 50 or 60 somethings the mortality rate goes up to 1 in 4.

    Im generally in favour of badassary , whether its sailing solo around the world, going to the poles , mountain climbing etc but there is something about Everest , above a certain level your body starts "dying". To me the risk reward isn't there.

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  • #206
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    B0jangles wrote: »
    His poor family can't really be blamed for being desperate to get him home - they are hardly thinking rationally at this point, but it's not really on for the national broadcaster to publicize a fundraising campaign for something that's so likely to end in failure and could quite possibly to lead to even more deaths.

    Raise the money for the charity he named - no better way to remember him.
    Pretty much how I feel about it. You can know all the risks and realities, but I can only imagine the pain and frustration of having this happen and having insurance companies and expedition leaders tell you there's nothing they can do.

    Hopefully they gather some perspective before they hit the 750k and decide to give it to Barrettstown.

    In a strange way it might be comforting to consider that the bodies of anyone who dies on Everest will outlast everyone else on earth.


  • #207
    jasper100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭jasper100


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    It's about time they stop people from climbing everest altogether

    I believe less people have swam the English channel, a tougher challenge and perfectly safe.

    I never bought into these overseas charity treks, hikes, climbs etc.

    Its almost as people are being asked to subsidise somebodies trip of a lifetime.

    I doubt the charitable person sees much of it after everybody gets paid along the way for administering it.


  • #208
    no.8
    Registered Users Posts: 778 ✭✭✭no.8


    jasper100 wrote:
    I believe less people have swam the English channel, a tougher challenge and perfectly safe.


    I could very well be wrong here but how do you know that they are comparable? Swimming across the English channel is not perfectly safe by any stretch, that's nonsense.

    RIP to this man, he was certainly qualified for the climb but succumbed. It's not all down to how many times you've climbed an 8000m+ mountain.


  • #209
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    silverharp wrote: »
    I looked up a number and they said about 2% overall but goes up with age, 50 or 60 somethings the mortality rate goes up to 1 in 4.

    Im generally in favour of badassary , whether its sailing solo around the world, going to the poles , mountain climbing etc but there is something about Everest , above a certain level your body starts "dying". To me the risk reward isn't there.

    Biology teacher in my high school was 13th woman in the world to climb to the top of Everest in the nineties. Her husband is accomplished climber and I think they were first couple who climbed together. All admirable achievements except they had three young kids at the time. (Two are doing some sort of climbing now too). For me that's a bit too much of a risk to take once you have children but then who knows what pushes people to go for challenges like that.


  • #210
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    seamus wrote: »
    Pretty much how I feel about it. You can know all the risks and realities, but I can only imagine the pain and frustration of having this happen and having insurance companies and expedition leaders tell you there's nothing they can do.

    Hopefully they gather some perspective before they hit the 750k and decide to give it to Barrettstown.

    In a strange way it might be comforting to consider that the bodies of anyone who dies on Everest will outlast everyone else on earth.

    Is there any chance a group of Sherpas would take on the job of retrieving a body for €750,000?

    There are still people donating with messages saying they hope he makes it back safe and sound. Many people believe he may be alive because of the way the gofundme is worded.


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  • #211
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    meeeeh wrote: »

    who knows what pushes people to go for challenges like that.

    Behind the blather and smokescreens it's nothing more than pure selfishness.


  • #212
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Squatter wrote: »
    Behind the blather and smokescreens it's nothing more than pure selfishness.

    Would you class smokers as selfish, sure they're likely to get cancer and be a burden on the health system and their family.
    Some amount of opinionated ****e being spouted on this thread. Let the people who seek adventures do their thing and worry about how you live your own lives.


  • #213
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    tuxy wrote: »
    Is there any chance a group of Sherpas would take on the job of retrieving a body for €750,000?

    By the time you pay off all the officials, transport and equipment providers, companies and middle men that combined control access to Everest, do you really think local sherpas are going to see much of 750 k ?


  • #214
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    jvan wrote: »
    Would you class smokers as selfish, sure they're likely to get cancer and be a burden on the health system and their family.
    Some amount of opinionated ****e being spouted on this thread. Let the people who seek adventures do they're thing and worry about how you live your own lives.

    Smokers are jokers. Smelly too.No one doubts they are selfish. How anyone can take up smoking or continue to smoke, given everything we know about them is beyond me.


  • #215
    sentient_6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,780 ✭✭✭sentient_6


    How is this gaining so much traction in such a short time? Big contributions from well off UCD colleagues?! Its absolute madness.


  • #216
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Smokers are jokers. Smelly too.No one doubts they are selfish. How anyone can take up smoking or continue to smoke, given everything we know about them is beyond me.

    My point being that people are quick to cast aspirations when someone passes away doing extreme activities or adventures. Would they be as willing to call out their friends, family or colleagues as being selfish for smoking, highly unlikely.


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  • #217
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    sentient_6 wrote: »
    How is this gaining so much traction in such a short time? Big contributions from well off UCD colleagues?! Its absolute madness.

    its more about virtue signalling and University politics than flushing money down the drain


  • #218
    monkeysnapper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭monkeysnapper


    I know this is slightly off thread but people talk about risk ...i was out cycling this morning and I was coming down a very steep hill into a corner when I noticed a local jarveys horse had obviously taken a poo on the corner .... I have to say I think I had one of my own just about to hit the shorts.

    Anyway I managed to go off the racing line and just about to miss it ....big drop on the side aswell .... theres risks out there people and when it's time to check out theres not much we can do.


  • #219
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    sentient_6 wrote: »
    How is this gaining so much traction in such a short time? Big contributions from well off UCD colleagues?! Its absolute madness.
    Nobelium wrote: »
    its more about virtue signalling and UCD politics than flushing money down the drain

    Surprised at this....considering he was a TCD lecturer.


  • #220
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Basically more lives would be risked in trying to recover the body, whether a gofundme goal would be reached or not.

    that is the main reason that bodies, above a certain height or location are not recovered - more people could die in the process.


  • #221
    brightspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    jvan wrote: »
    Would you class smokers as selfish, sure they're likely to get cancer and be a burden on the health system and their family.
    Some amount of opinionated ****e being spouted on this thread. Let the people who seek adventures do they're thing and worry about how you live your own lives.


    Yes I would class smokers as selfish.

    Many flout the smoking ban (even at hospitals) also I have seen many van and lorry drivers smoking which is also against the law.

    They also drop their butts everywhere.


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  • #222
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    glasso wrote: »
    how does that work with the charity thing - you raise 70,000 k and the charity gets 25,000 and you get a free Everest trip?

    The charity page the 4 climbers set up has only raised €7,500 approximately to date. Deduct the fund pages hosting cut and it’s even less.


  • #223
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    brightspark wrote: »
    Yes I would class smokers as selfish.

    Many flout the smoking ban (even at hospitals) also I have seen many van and lorry drivers smoking which is also against the law.

    They also drop their butts everywhere.

    Glad we clarified this in a thread about an Everest tragedy.


  • #224
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    jvan wrote: »
    Some amount of opinionated ****e being spouted on this thread. Let the people who seek adventures do they're thing and worry about how you live your own lives.

    Yes,let them seek their adventures but don't expect other people to pick up the tab if the die doing it.


  • #225
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    jvan wrote: »

    Would you class smokers as selfish, sure they're likely to get cancer and be a burden on the health system and their family.

    Yes. Odd that you'd even contemplate asking me such a stupid question.

    jvan wrote: »

    Let the people who seek adventures do their thing and worry about how you live your own lives.

    I'm not suggesting stopping them. Freedom of choice means that humans can do whatever they wish to do with their lives. But that doesn't change my view that individuals with dependants who indulge in very high risk activities are either very stupid or very selfish or both.


  • #226
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    glasso wrote: »
    Basically more lives would be risked in trying to recover the body, whether a gofundme goal would be reached or not.

    that is the main reason that bodies, above a certain height or location are not recovered - more people could die in the process.

    Fools and their money are easily parted though, including the poor desperate family who are obvious being fed some shyte by some money grabbing charlatans that recovery is a realistic option.


  • #227
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    glasso wrote: »
    Basically more lives would be risked in trying to recover the body, whether a gofundme goal would be reached or not.

    that is the main reason that bodies, above a certain height or location are not recovered - more people could die in the process.

    Climbing Everest is high risk, I'm sure he talked to his family about what to do if things went wrong. Perhaps this is his final wish.


  • #228
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    It's a natural reaction to want to perform a rescue and get the body home. Maybe after a few days or a week or so the family might consider giving the fund to charity if he hasn't been located. Any rescue above 8000 mts just risks more lives being lost.


  • #229
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    At some point, someone will have to decide that the risk is not worth it, to try and retrieve a body from a precarious location, where every step is potentially fatal. Everyone going into this sport knows it's hazards from the start line on and the chances of recovering a body are very remote. It's dreadful for the family and friends but he knew what he faced. RIP.


  • #230
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It sounds like he will join the other 300 or so bodies left up there.
    RIP.


  • #231
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Some horrible people on this thread.

    Just wondering, this day an age could they not track his exact location via GPS or something?


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  • #232
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    tuxy wrote: »
    Climbing Everest is high risk, I'm sure he talked to his family about what to do if things went wrong. Perhaps this is his final wish.

    That people raise 750k to blow on a high risk and more than likely failed attempt to retrieve the body ?


  • #233
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,936 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Some horrible people on this thread.

    Just wondering, this day an age could they not track his exact location via GPS or something?

    GPS was already located.
    It is not attached to the person, believed to have come off during the fall.


  • #234
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Some horrible people on this thread.

    Just wondering, this day an age could they not track his exact location via GPS or something?

    Also some very naiive people.
    GPS location does f all to minimize risks and won’t stop nature in its tracks.


  • #235
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    Also some very naiive people.
    GPS location does f all to minimize risks and won’t stop nature in its tracks.

    Who expects GPS to minimise risk or stop nature in it's tracks? Do you know what GPS is?


  • #236
    Hal3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Hal3000


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Some horrible people on this thread.

    Just wondering, this day an age could they not track his exact location via GPS or something?

    Location is one thing, getting a body down from that height is another. It's an extreme risky and dangerous operation.


  • #237
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Hal3000 wrote: »
    Location is one thing, getting a body down from that height is another. It's an extreme risky and dangerous operation.

    I'm not suggesting the body be recovered. Thread tittle is man "missing'. I'm just wondering how they couldn't track his body with GPS.


  • #238
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    Also some very naiive people.

    My reliable sources on Facebook are saying not to give up hope. Jesus and God and his Angels will protect him and he will be found safe and well.


  • #239
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    I'm not suggesting the body be recovered. Thread tittle is man "missing'. I'm just wondering how they couldn't track his body with GPS.

    They found his GPS tracker. It's not attached to him


  • #240
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    tuxy wrote: »
    My reliable sources on Facebook are saying not to give up hope. Jesus and God and his Angels will protect him and he will be found safe and well.

    I've seen some low trolling in my time, but this is right down there with the worst


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  • #241
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Nobelium wrote: »
    I've seen some low trolling in my time, but this is right down there with the worst

    It's an accurate account of what people are currently saying on Facebook.


  • #242
    Nobelium
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Nobelium


    tuxy wrote: »
    It's an accurate account of what people are currently saying on Facebook.

    Everyone on Facebook ? Are you on facebook ? I think i'll take your claims of being accurate with a pinch of salt


  • #243
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    Nobelium wrote: »
    Everyone on Facebook ? Are you on facebook ? I think i'll take your claims of being accurate with a pinch of salt

    A substation number of people (several hundred)


  • #244
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    tuxy wrote: »
    A substation number of people (several hundred)

    One or two wasn't it. You feel the need then to come here and mock them. Bet you didn't say anything to them on Facebook though. Creep


  • #245
    tempmailtest mail
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭tempmailtest mail


    Stheno wrote: »
    They found his GPS tracker. It's not attached to him

    Did they? I read they have its location, 500 meters from the point he fell, and that it may have been detached, I'm not sure they physically have it.


  • #246
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,637 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The go fund me page is nearly up to €150k now.


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  • #247
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,172 ✭✭✭screamer


    I know hope has to be kept, but seriously that long at that altitude and exposure to extreme cold...... you’ve got to face facts.
    I think people are free to do as they wish, to risk their lives etc, but they shouldn’t expect others to do so for them in the pursuit of such danger. And those who die on Everest.... for what a view that they will soon pay the ultimate price for..... I dunno each to their own, but you gamble your life, you may lose it. I don’t think funding or others out risking their lives is appropriate here at all.


  • #248
    [Deleted User]
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    silverharp wrote: »
    I looked up a number and they said about 2% overall but goes up with age, 50 or 60 somethings the mortality rate goes up to 1 in 4.
    Yes there are various ways of calculating/representing the death rate.

    It has become safer in recent decades so some feel merely expressing it as summits versus deaths since 1953 is not representative.

    Significantly more than 4,000 people have attempted to summit. So if you are willing to back out, or incapable of getting high enough ... your chances are surely better. And or course some of those 4,000 have summitted more than once.

    So it's not easy to represent the risk. In any case, it's not insignificant. It would be irresponsible not to consider the possibility.


  • #249
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    tempmailtest mail wrote: »
    Did they? I read they have its location, 500 meters from the point he fell, and that it may have been detached, I'm not sure they physically have it.
    I heard 500 metres altitude below the point where he was last seen.
    Not sure how they ascertain that, maybe the signal from the device can be read wirelessly?


    Altitude would be more important in that kind of terrain than GPS location.
    Eg step 2 metres away from the rope and fall 500 metres vertically into a crevasse. Your correct GPS reading is still only 2 metres away from where you were last seen, but your body will never be found.


  • #250
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    tuxy wrote: »
    My reliable sources on Facebook are saying not to give up hope. Jesus and God and his Angels will protect him and he will be found safe and well.
    Unfortunately, its the Goddess Mother of Mountains, Chomolungma, who decides these things.


  • #251
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    If I was going to climb everest, I'd make it clear that if I went missing at a high hard to access point leave me be.

    Id rather die than costing more lives and money to search for a frozen corpse.

    150,000 go fund me...

    For what?


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