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Hub gear bike dilemma

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭py


    I swapped out the pedals too as I prefer using SPD pedals/shoes.

    If I were to be doing longer distances I'd probably opt to change out the saddle too but for anything up to 25Km, it's been fine for me.

    For the tyres I went with 38c marathon plus so more comfort/durability from my perspective. Still have the originals sitting in the garage, not even worth selling so going to keep them as a backup.

    In regards to the gear ratio, what sort of cadence are you doing? I've done ~100 cadence in the toughest gear and it gets me well over 40Km/hr.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    Yeah, increasing cadence would probably be a much cheaper solution! I tend to shift up when I hit around 90 or so. Doing some quick estimates, Id say Ive lost about 10-12%, about one step up at the high end.

    Ive done 30 miles on it now and am really starting to like it. Definitely lighter and nippier than the cannondale. The saddle is designed for a more upright position I think. its OK when I scoot back but is a literal pain in the ass when Im sitting forward.

    One thing that only old alfine users will notice, they've reversed the shifters! Thumb is now down and finger is up, which is a bit confusing.

    But there are some advantages to it, you can shift the finger trigger either way, up or down, which means you can use your thumb. You can in theory shift 2 gears at a time by pushing through the first click (I havent gotten this to work yet). One thing I have tried is taking the finger shifter between thumb and forefinger and pushing quickly down, then up, which instantly jumps you two gears up. Kinda neat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    Oh and one huge pro - the quietness! No rattling, squeaking, shaking or jingling from the drivetrain. Complete silence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 926 ✭✭✭G rock


    This thread has piqued my interest.

    I'm coming to the point where I'm looking for a runaround to accompany my son (4) on cycles-forest trails, cycle paths etc.

    Also want to consider something I could fit a child seat on (have a baby that will be child seat compatible next year I hope!)

    Would the above options be a bit overkill for my needs?

    Plain old hybrids look a bit boring in comparison!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    If you want low maintenance and can afford to pay a bit more its definitely worth it. The downside is the extra expense and that if something does go wrong the fix usually takes longer and can be more expensive.

    I think the cube is a good bet for light off roading and should fit a child seat easily enough, though there are a ton of hub geared touring bikes that would do the job as well.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭py


    droidus wrote: »
    Yeah, increasing cadence would probably be a much cheaper solution! I tend to shift up when I hit around 90 or so. Doing some quick estimates, Id say Ive lost about 10-12%, about one step up at the high end.

    So I'll typically run my cadence at ~100, if I get to 110 I know it's time to shift to a harder gear. Likewise if it drops to 90, then I need to shift to an easier gear.
    G rock wrote: »
    Also want to consider something I could fit a child seat on (have a baby that will be child seat compatible next year I hope!)

    I've got a child seat on mine and it's been running fine now for about 2 months.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    Ha, yes, but youre a proper cyclist with knees of steel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭py


    Few more months on this bike now. All going well. Has taken me a few times to get used to how to remove the rear wheel with the gears being integrated. Have found using my right hand to push the cassette joint pulley upwards and using left hand to attach/detach the gear cable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭saccades


    On the sg500 and sg501 there was a small hole so you could stick a 1.5mm hex (as found on most bike tools) in to get proper leverage to get the hex nut out of its slot.

    SJS cycles in the UK carry a lot of cheap spares for alfine that are pretty much impossible to get elsewhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    SJS are great for slightly oddball components and parts.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    Ive done about 1000 miles on mine now and am very happy. Some trouble with mudguards but nothing major, and am very happy I shortened the handlebars.

    One thing I did learn from the LBS is how to tighten the belt. Loosen the wheel nuts and the 2 allen screws on each side of the dropouts, then there's a tiny hole at the back of the dropouts, parallel to the wheel for an allen key. One turn on this was enough to get my belt from 0hz to 50hz on the gates app.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    Anyone recommend a LBS where I could get my alfine 8 hub maintained in Dublin? Shop I bought it from is out of business. had the bike over 2 years and the gears have become a little bit klanky recently.

    Ideally city centre.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    What is the problem exactly? Are you having trouble shifting, slipping, dropping gears? How many miles are on it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭py


    Check if your gears are aligned correctly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Johnny_Fontane


    droidus wrote: »
    What is the problem exactly? Are you having trouble shifting, slipping, dropping gears? How many miles are on it?

    shifts solid enough, sometimes if I put a bit of pressure on the pedals for a quick start, get a loud clunk (obv. the technical term), changing up and down is ok, the odd slippage but just think it needs a service after 3 years (May 2015 - surprised myself).

    I'd say I have put up about 4000km on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    py wrote: »
    Check if your gears are aligned correctly.

    Thats the default advice alright. If youre slipping a lot in 4 then its probably an alignment issue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    shifts solid enough, sometimes if I put a bit of pressure on the pedals for a quick start, get a loud clunk (obv. the technical term), changing up and down is ok, the odd slippage but just think it needs a service after 3 years (May 2015 - surprised myself).

    I'd say I have put up about 4000km on it.

    Yeah, it could probably do with a service alright. Recommendation is about 2 years, 2000 miles, but Ive done waaay more than that without one.

    I would check alignment, also check your chain and cogs for wear and tear. I don't know anywhere in town that specialises, but its not a particularly complex job and any decent mechanic should be able to do it.

    http://www.deletethe.net/instructables/alfine8/

    Ive had some work done in Penny Farthings on Camden St. and they seemed pretty good, maybe give them a call and see?


  • Registered Users Posts: 385 ✭✭stopped_clock


    Anyone recommend a LBS where I could get my alfine 8 hub maintained in Dublin? Shop I bought it from is out of business. had the bike over 2 years and the gears have become a little bit klanky recently.

    Ideally city centre.

    The same question really: Any recommendations on a LBS/mobile mechanic in Dublin who's good with IGHs? My Alfine 8 is at the stage of needing a service.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭py


    The same question really: Any recommendations on a LBS/mobile mechanic in Dublin who's good with IGHs? My Alfine 8 is at the stage of needing a service.

    Check out beecycles on South circular road, have dropped in a few bikes for servicing/work there, always good service.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭saccades


    Expert cycles in Dublin, revolve bikes in Gorey service mine depending on where I am.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭py


    Thought I'd update this thread after having the bike (Cube Hyde Race) for a little over 12 months now. Have covered around 2,500Km on it, with 99% of that being commuting to/from work. Average speed over that distance has been about 20-22km/hr so it can move when it wants too though the ascent on the way home can be tough at times when windy particularly with the kid seat on the back.

    Gates belt drive and cranks: rarely if ever misses a beat. Someone asked me earlier if I've ever had it skip and it hadn't but it has happened a few times since. When it has happened it's because I'm starting from a stand still and have tried to put too much power through the pedals. I tend to start in 2nd gear when at traffic lights now, perhaps 3rd gear if it's a slight descent. I haven't had to perform any maintenance on it. I did check if the indicators on the Alfine SL-S7000 were still in line recently and they were. Tis very rare I'd use the top end 7th/8th gear or the bottom 1st/2nd hear apart from getting going.

    Disc brakes: Zero maintenance here too and they haven't skipped a beat even when I've got the young lad and panniers on (~130Kg load), they simply work.

    Wheels: Replaced both wheels, each for different reasons. Front wheel was replaced so I could get a dynamo hub and it was cheaper to buy a wheel with it built in as opposed to having the existing one rebuilt. The rear wheel required a rebuild (beecycles did this for me) as the stock wheels couldn't bear the load mentioned above. This rebuilt wheel has been rock solid since.

    Overall: Great bike. Had the Cube Travel SL not had such a long lead time when I was initially looking I would've got that instead so I would've had mudguards, dynamo setup and pannier rack from the off but it was just too long to wait around as I needed to bring the young lad to school on it from January. I still would've encountered the rear wheel issue as being ~100Kg and enjoying cycling brings its own set of challenges. When the kids are a little older and I can strip the bicycle seats from it and remove the front pannier, it'll move a little quicker with just me on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,521 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    py wrote: »
    Thought I'd update this thread after having the bike (Cube Hyde Race) for a little over 12 months now.
    Thanks for the update. When you say zero maintenance on the disc brakes, does that mean no changes of pads in the year?


    Any issues with having to remove the back wheel for punctures?


  • Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭site_owner


    Ive had one tyre change on my alfine bullitt since i got it (broke a stem off tube dropping it off the stand)

    Was handy enough, disconnect the di2 cable, slide the wheel forward to get the chain off the front cog, then slide the wheel back and off.

    Putting on was just the reverse, bit annoying to pull the wheel by hand to get the chain tension right would prefer motorbike style tensioner screws

    Presume its the same for any single speed, just with a less heavy wheel to positon


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    With some hub-gear bikes, it's definitely easier to fix punctures by just patching the tube without removing the wheel. I'm not sure where the inflection point is, but with the Brompton it's a toss-up which is faster, tube replacement or patching, while with the bakfiets, it's much easier to patch in situ.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭py


    When you say zero maintenance on the disc brakes, does that mean no changes of pads in the year?

    It does. I do check them on occassion, still life in them yet.
    Any issues with having to remove the back wheel for punctures?

    No rear punctures at all as when I got the bike I picked up Schwalbe Marathon Plus and swapped them for the set that came with the bike. Have had zero issues with them in terms of punctures.

    I did suffer the most unusual puncture on the front wheel in that grit/dirt got in through the valve hole in the stock wheels and caused punctures on the inside of the tube which had me perplexed till I saw the dirt/grit gathered in the tyre which was taken off the rim. After fixing it up and refitting it, I just put some electrical tape down over the valve and valve hold. Not had the issue since, though I have obviously changed rims since.


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Gandorf


    I'm replacing my old hybrid on the cycle to work scheme and slightly lusting after the cube editor https://www.cube.eu/en/2019/bikes/trekking/urban/editor/cube-editor-blacknpurple-2019/

    Can't find one in my size to ride yet but the spec seems good: cdx drive, Alfine 11, hydro brakes. Mainly for commuting 20k/day but also for some spins at the weekend. The alternative is a derailleur 105 bike, which is cheaper and lighter but the editor is tempting me!

    Anyone with an editor or Hyde race know their frame size and Standover height for reference? I'm vacillating between the 46 and 50 frame. Any thoughts on weight/effort Vs a derailleur bike would be great as well as well as any reliability issues? Cheers!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭saccades


    Gandorf wrote: »
    Any thoughts on weight/effort Vs a derailleur bike would be great as well as well as any reliability issues? Cheers!

    I had a alfine sg501 commuter for 23k and a sg500 Hardtail Mtb for 10 years.

    I love the way you can abandon the bike when you get home from whatever spin.

    If you can match the direct drive (5 for 8spd) to your most used gear then they as efficient as a derailuer.

    I did the w200 on the alfine commuter and it's short gear range and lack of joy on hill was trying.

    I'm faster on my new 2x commuter and this year I'm putting the Mtb to 1x which wasn't an option when it was originally built (first drive chain lasted 7 years with **** all attention paid to it).

    It's lighter, wider and more evenly spread gears mean that hubs disadvantages are amplified as their benefits are less pronounced against 1x.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Gandorf


    saccades wrote: »
    If you can match the direct drive (5 for 8spd) to your most used gear then they as efficient as a derailuer.

    I did the w200 on the alfine commuter and it's short gear range and lack of joy on hill was trying.

    I'm faster on my new 2x commuter and this year I'm putting the Mtb to 1x which wasn't an option when it was originally built (first drive chain lasted 7 years with **** all attention paid to it).

    Thanks for the info, that helps. I guess the 11 speed alfine might address some of the gear range issues, but on the flip side it doesn't have a direct gear, unlike the 8 speed.

    But it seems the choice is between low weight and more speed on the deraileur/chain but with more maintenance Vs more weight and less efficiency on the hub/carbon drive but with less maintenance.

    I really wish cube included Standover in their geometry chart. Reach looks fine compared to my current bike, stack is 30-40 mm lower which is a surprise looking at the pics (it looks more upright than that) and the wheelbase is less. Really need to find one to try....


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Gandorf


    Rode a 54 editor today, which was too big for me. But great to try out the weight, hub and belt drive. Really liked it so I think I am going to go for the size 50 editor.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Where are you testing these hub bikes? I'm considering on in the next couple of months.


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