US Presidential Election 2020

Brian? · 18-05-2019 4:14pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Only on the sense that if he gets to run he will get elected.
I'd liken him charisma wise to Bill Clinton in that he appeals to a lot of people. It'll also hurt the Latino Republican vote which would be hugely important in Florida.

I’m not sure about Beto. He’a seems like he’s all style and no substance. Running Cruz that close was impressive, but what does he actually stand for?

eagle eye · 18-05-2019 4:27pm

Brian? wrote:

Iâ€™m not sure about Beto. Heâ€™a seems like heâ€™s all style and no substance. Running Cruz that close was impressive, but what does he actually stand for?

There is the weakness and the strength in one question. He hasn't pushed anybody away but he hasn't got the love either.
This needs to be formulated if he is still in the race come July.
He worried Trump enough when he went up against Cruz for him to call him an Irishman pretending to be Latino.
How do you think that will play out on a national stage?
Trump doesn't want to take on Beto, he could lose Texas and Florida.

Itssoeasy · 18-05-2019 8:04pm

I’ve said it before but the Democrats have to decide whether they want the primaries to be like the 1980s NBA western conference playoffs which were relatively easy or do they want to make them like the eastern conference playoffs where the Celtics/ 76ers/ pistons were beating lumps out of each other ? If it’s the latter then trump will walk it.

Quin_Dub · 19-05-2019 10:57am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I’ve said it before but the Democrats have to decide whether they want the primaries to be like the 1980s NBA western conference playoffs which were relatively easy or do they want to make them like the eastern conference playoffs where the Celtics/ 76ers/ pistons were beating lumps out of each other ? If it’s the latter then trump will walk it.

This is crucial..

Whoever wins needs to keep the supporters for the other candidates on side..

Democrat voters have a habit of just not voting if their #1 candidate isn't on the ticket.

I've said it before , the single most important thing for a Democrat win is simply getting people into the voting booth.

To do that they have to make sure that each of the losing candidates loudly and profusely supports the eventual Presidential candidate and works hard to get their supporters to vote for that person.

What was the tag line again? "Vote Blue no matter who"

stefanovich · 19-05-2019 11:00am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This is crucial..

Whoever wins needs to keep the supporters for the other candidates on side..

Democrat voters have a habit of just not voting if their #1 candidate isn't on the ticket.

I've said it before , the single most important thing for a Democrat win is simply getting people into the voting booth.

To do that they have to make sure that each of the losing candidates loudly and profusely supports the eventual Presidential candidate and works hard to get their supporters to vote for that person.

What was the tag line again? "Vote Blue no matter who"

Trump won by taking the exact opposite approach than you are suggesting.

"Vote blue no matter who" - what braindead moron came up with that?

Danzy · 19-05-2019 1:44pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Trump won by taking the exact opposite approach than you are suggesting.

"Vote blue no matter who" - what braindead moron came up with that?

Morons who have lost several elections because their party supporters didn't vote blue no matter who.

rossie1977 · 19-05-2019 3:05pm

stefanovich wrote: »

Trump won by taking the exact opposite approach than you are suggesting.

"Vote blue no matter who" - what braindead moron came up with that?

He didn't. He got the Republican voters who normally vote, to vote for him. Republican voters get behind whatever candidate is up for election, 60 million voted for McCain (higher % than Trump actually based on electorate size in 2008) despite 800,000 monthly job losses under a 2 term Republican.

There are far more Democrat voters in the US but they will only come out if the right candidate in their minds is up for election. Obviously Obama got far more black Dem votes than Clinton e.g.

stefanovich · 19-05-2019 3:07pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

He didn't. He got the Republican voters who normally vote, to vote for him. Republican voters get behind whatever candidate is up for election, 60 million voted for McCain (higher % than Trump actually based on electorate size in 2008) despite 800,000 monthly job losses under a 2 term Republican.

There are far more Democrat voters in the US but they will only come out if the right candidate in their minds is up for election. Obviously Obama got far more black Dem votes than Clinton e.g.

He certainly didn't keep his fellow republican nominees on side. He attacked them all.

Quin_Dub · 19-05-2019 4:05pm

stefanovich wrote: »

He certainly didn't keep his fellow republican nominees on side. He attacked them all.

No he didn't, because he didn't have to

That's the whole point. GOP voters generally speaking will vote for the red candidate no matter what. They are party 1st and then personality a very very distant second . Hence all the talk about people " holding their noses" and voting for Trump etc. Particularly when he was running against Hillary Clinton.

Dem voters however are far more 'sensitive' and if they don't feel that the candidate ticks all the required boxes they simply stay at home.

If Dem voters are as party loyal in 2020 as GOP voters historically have been ,then they will be well on the way to a win

Brian? · 19-05-2019 5:23pm

stefanovich wrote: »

He certainly didn't keep his fellow republican nominees on side. He attacked them all.

It’s like you live in an alternative universe. He attacked them during the primaries and then they all came out and campaigned for him in the end.

The GOP has a solid base, the Democrats don’t.

marno21 · 19-05-2019 7:19pm

Brian? wrote: »

It’s like you live in an alternative universe. He attacked them during the primaries and then they all came out and campaigned for him in the end.

The GOP has a solid base, the Democrats don’t.

Indeed. Trump compared his wife to Ted Cruz' saying Cruz wife wasn't as good looking and that Cruz's father was involved in JFK's assassination and now Cruz is behind Trump. Meanwhile how many Democrats refuse to back Pelosi or distanced themselves from Obama during the congressional elections during his term

Rjd2 · 19-05-2019 7:58pm

If you only briefly looked at US politics, you could be forgiven for thinking Nancy was a communist, pro open borders, right wing capitalist who was in the wrong party, such was how she was attacked by Dems on all sides.:pac:

Danzy · 19-05-2019 8:05pm

Many Sanders supporters will never back a global free trade guy like Biden over Trump.

Many Biden supporters will never back Sanders, many young Democratic progressive see Sanders as only an old white Jew, Biden as a Wall St schill.

The subsets and internal divisions in the party are significant.

They are not like that in the Republicans.

Manic Moran · 19-05-2019 11:20pm

Danzy wrote: »

Many Sanders supporters will never back a global free trade guy like Biden over Trump.

Many Biden supporters will never back Sanders, many young Democratic progressive see Sanders as only an old white Jew, Biden as a Wall St schill.

The subsets and internal divisions in the party are significant.

They are not like that in the Republicans.

Depends on who they're going up against. McCain was not universally loved in the Republican party, I not infrequently saw him referred to as a RINO.

If the opposition was viewed as a moderate Democrat, I could well see a bunch of folks just not voting at all. Only utter dislike of the alternative was bring the folks I was interacting with out to the voting booth.

rossie1977 · 20-05-2019 6:43am

Danzy wrote: »

Many Sanders supporters will never back a global free trade guy like Biden over Trump.

Many Biden supporters will never back Sanders, many young Democratic progressive see Sanders as only an old white Jew, Biden as a Wall St schill.

36% of Sanders supports said Biden was their second choice in recent poll https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

The subsets and internal divisions in the party are significant.

They are not like that in the Republicans.

There was much bigger divisions in Republican party leading up to last election yet in the end they held their nose https://www.npr.org/2016/07/18/486512303/watch-chaos-erupts-on-rnc-floor-as-nevertrump-makes-last-stand

Eric Cartman · 21-05-2019 11:39am

rossie1977 wrote: »

36% of Sanders supports said Biden was their second choice in recent poll https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

There was much bigger divisions in Republican party leading up to last election yet in the end they held their nose https://www.npr.org/2016/07/18/486512303/watch-chaos-erupts-on-rnc-floor-as-nevertrump-makes-last-stand

I think a lot of republicans also sat it out last time as they didnt think trump could win and didnt want to invest in the losing candidate. I think its quite likely you’ll see more people out to vote for him this time around. Also with all his israel shilling there’ll be a lot more action from older jews in his favour this time around , its fantastic targetting of florida which is always a key player, the dem’s would need to do a hell of a lot to make him lose there this time.

peddlelies · 31-05-2019 11:57pm

Biden up by 19 on Dem challengers, Trump at 48 approval according to latest Harvard/Harris poll, his highest polling since 2017.

The Phantom Jipper · 03-06-2019 1:32pm

I came across some interesting polls the other day. Potentially outliers but they matched some of the leading Democrats up head to head, and surprisingly Warren comes out on top in a head to head with Biden, and was the only one to do so.

These polls and many others can be found at the link below which is a decent resource for anyone interested in this kind of thing.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

BonnieSituation · 04-06-2019 1:23am

Warren is horrible.

The longer she stays in the race the more worried I get.

The Phantom Jipper · 04-06-2019 8:01am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Warren is horrible.

The longer she stays in the race the more worried I get.

Why is she horrible, out of interest?

is_that_so · 04-06-2019 10:27am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think a lot of republicans also sat it out last time as they didnt think trump could win and didnt want to invest in the losing candidate. I think its quite likely you’ll see more people out to vote for him this time around. Also with all his israel shilling there’ll be a lot more action from older jews in his favour this time around , its fantastic targetting of florida which is always a key player, the dem’s would need to do a hell of a lot to make him lose there this time.

A lot of people sat out the last election, through apathy or dislike of the candidates. What goes for Trump may also apply for the Dems.

pixelburp · 04-06-2019 10:49am

There's dozens of readings you can make about turnout and who voted; equally, whether it was the relative toxicity of Clinton as a candidate or the presumption she would coast to victory (see Susan Sarandon's promotion of Jill Stein, or Edward Snowdon's claim that voting a 3rd party was a good move with Clinton likely to stroll into the White House), many likely Democrat voters didn't vote for that candidate.

The midterms after all showed the biggest turnout in a century; you see a strong narrative that amounts to "once bitten, twice shy; not going to let that happen again", even if it's not reflected in the actual machinations of the party itself. Given the broad support you see in polls for many Democrat friendly policies, the gerrymandering & voter suppression that occurs in states, there's an assessment that says America would be more likely to vote Democrat, but that its voting base is either disenfranchised or apathetic. While issues like gerrymandering, or the voter roll 'purges' are a slow battle, I'd be surprised if turnout in the 2020 Pres. election isn't a record high against a long period of time.

rossie1977 · 04-06-2019 11:19am

peddlelies wrote: »

Biden up by 19 on Dem challengers, Trump at 48 approval according to latest Harvard/Harris poll, his highest polling since 2017.

Harris isn't a good poll to judge

rossie1977 · 05-06-2019 11:16am

All the polls so far this week have Biden still leading big (14-19 points) in Dem primary race.

Interestingly Biden currently leads Trump by 12 in North Carolina. I would have thought that was safe enough seat given Trump won by 3.5% in 16..guess not.

Trump is also well behind vs Bernie

By my calculation Trump is behind now vs Biden (and a few others Dems) in Iowa, Penn, Michigan, N Carolina, Wisconsin (all states he won in 16) and doing well in Nevada where he lost (only Biden leads him and by only 2).

eagle eye · 05-06-2019 11:32am

Biden has no chance in a Presidential race. There are many reasons including his age but that little scratch of being touchy feely will become an open wound during a Presidential election.

Professor Moriarty · 05-06-2019 11:47am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Harris isn't a good poll to judge

Exactly. An average of all polls (including outliers like Harris and Rasmussen) has him at 41%

Hande hoche! · 05-06-2019 12:16pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Biden has no chance in a Presidential race. There are many reasons including his age but that little scratch of being touchy feely will become an open wound during a Presidential election.

Based on his track record, could certainly see him scuppering another run for the candidacy. Still assuming he got the nomination, could imagine him being fairly vulnerable to attack adverts etc. Think Sanders would stand a better chance in the general election.

pixelburp · 05-06-2019 12:21pm

I wonder if in the first debate might there be a 'stalking horse' candidate who'll act as someone to wash Biden's dirty laundry in public. None of the candidates have had to go up against each other yet, but when that time comes, I'm wondering who will get personal? Harris, Warren and Sanders seem prominent candidates and seem to play a clean game (ignoring the campaigns for a moment), while Booker, O'Rourke, Gillibrand appear to be floundering. They may look to attacking the candidates personal record in a desperate attempt to maintain visibility (see Chris Christie during the Rep. equivalent in 2015, who got a shot in the arm by going on the attack).

Rjd2 · 05-06-2019 12:52pm

pixelburp wrote: »

I wonder if in the first debate might there be a 'stalking horse' candidate who'll act as someone to wash Biden's dirty laundry in public. None of the candidates have had to go up against each other yet, but when that time comes, I'm wondering who will get personal? Harris, Warren and Sanders seem prominent candidates and seem to play a clean game (ignoring the campaigns for a moment), while Booker, O'Rourke, Gillibrand appear to be floundering. They may look to attacking the candidates personal record in a desperate attempt to maintain visibility (see Chris Christie during the Rep. equivalent in 2015, who got a shot in the arm by going on the attack).

Gabbard is the obvious one, has slagged of the Democrat establishment numerous times over the last few years and has stepped it up in her campaign. Unlikely she has much time for Biden whatsoever.

She will have an eye on been Bernies VP also. Doing a Christie style attack on Biden would go down very well with her and Bernie's base.

Mike Gravel is the other who will go after pretty much everyone bar Tulsi and Bernie, but unsure he will get to the debate stage.

eire4 · 05-06-2019 4:44pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Warren is horrible.

The longer she stays in the race the more worried I get.

Any reason you hold that opinion?
Personally she seems to me to be very articulate and actually has some fleshed out policy positions such as say on child care as an example or her wealth tax proposal.

is_that_so · 05-06-2019 4:50pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Gabbard is the obvious one, has slagged of the Democrat establishment numerous times over the last few years and has stepped it up in her campaign. Unlikely she has much time for Biden whatsoever.

She will have an eye on been Bernies VP also. Doing a Christie style attack on Biden would go down very well with her and Bernie's base.

Mike Gravel is the other who will go after pretty much everyone bar Tulsi and Bernie, but unsure he will get to the debate stage.

It's top 20 in the debates and first ones are at the end of this month. Here's a summary of how it will work.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/2020-democratic-presidential-debates-work/story?id=63480263

pixelburp · 05-06-2019 4:59pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Gabbard is the obvious one, has slagged of the Democrat establishment numerous times over the last few years and has stepped it up in her campaign. Unlikely she has much time for Biden whatsoever.

She will have an eye on been Bernies VP also. Doing a Christie style attack on Biden would go down very well with her and Bernie's base.

Mike Gravel is the other who will go after pretty much everyone bar Tulsi and Bernie, but unsure he will get to the debate stage.

Well, apparently those first debates will be split into 2 nights, so presumably it's going to be the Heavy Hitters for one night, with the also-rans making up the other (so folks like *googles* John Delaney. No, not that one). If there is going to be a Stalking Horse it'll be a candidate who's already lagging behind, so yeah, maybe Gabbard if she's part of that first grouping.

It'll be, what? Biden; Sanders; Warren; Harris; O'Rourke; Buttigieg; Booker; Klobuchar; so yeah Gabbard might round it off...

rossie1977 · 05-06-2019 6:50pm

Biden and Sanders lead Trump by 12 in latest Michigan poll

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/05/biden-sanders-democrats-lead-trump-michigan-poll/1330277001/

The Phantom Jipper · 05-06-2019 7:10pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Biden has no chance in a Presidential race. There are many reasons including his age but that little scratch of being touchy feely will become an open wound during a Presidential election.

Let me guess, Biden should drop out now and endorse Martin Heinrich?

tonycascarino · 05-06-2019 7:14pm

Nobody will beat Trump. It is 4 more years for him. Long may he reign.

Dog Man Star · 05-06-2019 7:31pm

If Elizabeth Warren is elected President of the US, that is the new benchmark for every nation. She is beyond what we could dream of for a leader. She is liberal, she is educated to the highest levels, she has taken on the most powerful banks and companies throughout her career, she will improve the life of every single American person overnight.

Warren is an incredible politician and an even more impressive human being If you thought Obama was great, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Republicans quake in her shadow, as she is fearless against the massive banks. You working two jobs to pay a mortgage? Ancient history under Warren.

4068ac1elhodqr · 05-06-2019 7:51pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

If Elizabeth Warren is elected President of the US, that is the new benchmark for every nation. She is beyond what we could dream of for a leader. She is liberal, she is educated to the highest levels, she has taken on the most powerful banks and companies throughout her career, *she will improve the life of every single American person overnight*.

Warren is an incredible politician and an even more impressive human being If you thought Obama was great, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Republicans quake in her shadow, as she is fearless against the massive banks. You working two jobs to pay a mortgage? Ancient history under Warren.

* Think that is Mr. Yang you're maybe thinking of, who will hand (every) citizen $1,000per month (for free) from the getgo, for 4yrs+.

Other than that, she could be useful for the middle-earners, but would face a challenge from WallSt, Bankers and even business owners. "no other candidate (in 2012) represents a greater threat to 'free enterprise' than Warren" (USCC).

Hard to see anyone past Trump at this stage, he didn't even insult anyone this week at the big dinner.

rossie1977 · 06-06-2019 12:38am

Bidens lead over Trump has increased to 4 in Texas
O'Rourke is 3 behind Trump in his home state

https://poll.qu.edu/texas/release-detail?ReleaseID=2625

eagle eye · 06-06-2019 12:52am

The Phantom Jipper wrote:

Let me guess, Biden should drop out now and endorse Martin Heinrich?

Well he won't be running so that would be insane.
Heinrich's surname is a but unfortunate but he would be a brilliant candidate imo, never going to happen though.
I've a feeling the powers that be in the Democrat party don't really care about 2020.
I think they are looking at Joe Kennedy as a two termer from 2024.

marno21 · 06-06-2019 2:07am

Dog Man Star wrote: »

If Elizabeth Warren is elected President of the US, that is the new benchmark for every nation. She is beyond what we could dream of for a leader. She is liberal, she is educated to the highest levels, she has taken on the most powerful banks and companies throughout her career, she will improve the life of every single American person overnight.

Warren is an incredible politician and an even more impressive human being If you thought Obama was great, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Republicans quake in her shadow, as she is fearless against the massive banks. You working two jobs to pay a mortgage? Ancient history under Warren.

This. A Sanders/Warren ticket would also be a nice compromise especially given she'd be in pole position for 2024 then.

I would be happy with whatever calls a halt to "President for Life we should give that a go" and bring some semblance of normality back to the US and the World.

eire4 · 06-06-2019 3:57am

Dog Man Star wrote: »

If Elizabeth Warren is elected President of the US, that is the new benchmark for every nation. She is beyond what we could dream of for a leader. She is liberal, she is educated to the highest levels, she has taken on the most powerful banks and companies throughout her career, she will improve the life of every single American person overnight.

Warren is an incredible politician and an even more impressive human being If you thought Obama was great, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Republicans quake in her shadow, as she is fearless against the massive banks. You working two jobs to pay a mortgage? Ancient history under Warren.

I certainly think it would be great for the vast majority of Americans if Warren won. I doubt it will happen but it would be fantastic if it did. I will push back on one thing you said though. Obama was at best a mediocre president. He did little to improve the lives economically of most Americans other then stop the bleeding. For most it was still crap jobs with poverty wages. His health care plan was just a less bad version of the American for profit heath care model which still leaves millions uninsured, premiums continue to rise and rise while health care for profit companies continue to see CEO's and executives make out like bandits. Then there was his ramping up of spying and his Orwellian surveillance state. Never mind his continuance of American imperialism abroad, mass drone strikes killing unknow numbers of innocents etc. So the idea that Obama was some great president is a myth although I suppose that view point is helped by the contrast with the current president and how bad he is.

istooptoconcur · 06-06-2019 11:06pm

I have titled this post with the election slogan from wooster's millions simply because I would have almost anyone for president who is not a member of the super rich (this as the temptation is to pass the buck: Mr. trumps first act was a tax cut for the super rich). sorry Oprah believes that she does not have the 'DNA' to run as the primaries seem to be a personality race that she could perhaps win. I believe trump will win the next one by the way, America is too broken to do itself a favour yet.

Manic Moran · 11-06-2019 5:37am

Interesting little article over on Politico.

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2019/06/01/labor-anger-over-green-new-deal-greets-2020-contenders-in-california-1027570

LOS ANGELES — Blue-collar union workers in solidly Democratic California are rejecting "Green New Deal" politics, a possible preview of troubles for 2020 presidential hopefuls in Rust Belt states like Pennsylvania and Ohio

[...]

“The Green New Deal may be the darling of the Democratic Party — but it really divides the Democrats on a fault line, which is more of the elites against the working class Democrats who are concerned about losing their jobs," said Jessica Levinson, a member of the Los Angeles Ethics Commission and a professor who teaches politics and ethics at Loyola Law School.

Lifelong union members “don’t necessarily want to be retrained’’ for other, greener work spots — “nor is it even possible,’’ says Levinson. She predicts with the 2020 election looming, Democratic leaders will have to wrestle with the fact that “unlike the Mueller report and impeachment and indictment — people vote on whether or not they’re going to lose their job.”

[...]

While there's no chance that President Donald Trump will take California, pushing too far on the Green New Deal could "make it difficult for Democrats to recapture crucial Western states” like Colorado and Nevada — both won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 — “and it would certainly be an issue in states like Pennsylvania," said Jack Pitney, a veteran California political analyst and political science professor at Claremont McKenna College.

Rjd2 · 14-06-2019 8:31pm

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1139568946934439936

Debate schedule for the first ones out. I think Warren will be okish with that, obviously with momentum behind her she would like to lay some blows on the front runners, but she can dominate that debate. Tulsi could land a few blows also although think she would have loved to go after Biden.

Purple is stacked despite a few duds there (hello gilly)...think the focus for all especially Harris and Bernie who are losing momentum is go after Biden hard or he will run away with it. Yang and Bernie on the same night could be fun also.

marno21 · 14-06-2019 8:41pm

The pack needs to start getting smaller as soon as. I know the election is yonks away but a worthwhile debate involving 10 candidates is ambitious. Plus two separate debates isn’t helping either.

We saw this in 2016 when the stage was so crowded that Mr Trump won out the debates with his 3 word soundbites as the other candidates who at least tried to take policy positions didn’t have the time to elucidate them

pixelburp · 14-06-2019 8:45pm

The likes of Hinckenlooper and Delaney have no business running (IIRC Delaney got roundly booed for a full minute at a Democrat conference in California), and are sucking the oxygen away from serious candidates who have both momentum and the chops to at least take a stab. Warren's kinda slimming it with that lot, even Booker has already faded from the limelight.

BluePlanet · 14-06-2019 9:38pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Interesting little article over on Politico.

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2019/06/01/labor-anger-over-green-new-deal-greets-2020-contenders-in-california-1027570

A new poll shows more than half of American union members support the Green New Deal

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/green-new-deal-unions_n_5cfa9b5ee4b0aab91c0589c7

Perhaps the Politico article is more interested in manufacturing dissent.

Manic Moran · 14-06-2019 10:42pm

BluePlanet wrote: »

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/green-new-deal-unions_n_5cfa9b5ee4b0aab91c0589c7

Perhaps the Politico article is more interested in manufacturing dissent.

Maybe they're saying exactly what HuffPo is saying. From the HP article:

The influential construction unions, historically opposed to any policies that jeopardize fossil fuel infrastructure, have come out hard against the Green New Deal. The AFL-CIO criticized the plan to zero out emissions by 2030 as “not achievable or realistic.”

Unions in California protested the GND at a state Democratic Party convention last week in San Francisco, offering a glimpse at how the proposal could prove electorally divisive even in blue states.

Politico did not claim that all unions are opposed, but they do claim, and HP acknowledges, that there is some strong opposition within the unions, "even in Blue states", which begs Politico's points about the purple ones.

friendlyfun · 16-06-2019 11:01am

Biden seems like a terrible candidate.

eire4 · 16-06-2019 10:35pm

friendlyfun wrote: »

Biden seems like a terrible candidate.

Care to elaborate as to why you think so
Personally I am not impressed with him. He seems like he would be just another corporate democrat if he won beholden to the rich donars and corporations who pay him to do their bidding.

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