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Bus Eireann N3/M3 Corridor Route & Timetable Changes - Phase 3

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    #122
    piplip87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭piplip87


    On the 5:15 109X. Still on the M50. Can't see how this service is ment to be quicker at peak times.

    Went into the city on the 11:10 from Virginia. Again I cannot see the point in going Via Finglas or the M50.


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    #123
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Another batch of cancellations
    Route 103 Dublin-Ashbourne-Ratoath

    19.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    21.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    21.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    22.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    23.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    00.02 Ratoath/Dublin


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    #124
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    the new timetable for Dunshaughlin is brutal. Today I got the bus from Dunshaughlin to Navan, then back to Dunshaughlin. 2 buses failed to turn up and then on the way home, I noticed that most of the services were NX which use the motorway and avoid Dunshaughlin, no 109 for over an hour.

    Then this evening got the bus from Dunshaughlin to blanch, had no problems there, then on way home waited over an hour a 109 on the slip road and in that time 6 X services passed, none of them going to Dunshaughlin, then the 109 failed to show and I saw it driving past on the N3, avoiding the slip road altogether. Myself and my friends ended up phoning for a lift after waiting over 90 minutes with no service available, absolutely disgraceful.


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    #125
    tara83
    Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭tara83


    Make sure to send your compliments through in writing to Bus Eireann and also your local county councillor. Only chance of some improvements.


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    #126
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    tara83 wrote: »
    Make sure to send your compliments through in writing to Bus Eireann and also your local county councillor. Only chance of some improvements.

    I think if bus users send in observations to the NTA and Bus Éireann, that would be far more worthwhile than contacting public representatives.

    If the county councilor or TD, or senator, doesn't use the bus services regularly, they won't be able to speak, or write with any knowledge or authority, on the issue.

    Bus users would be far more able to articulate, and express, the issues of concern, because they are far more familiar with the services.

    An example is, Regina Doherty's press statement last year when she was giving out about changes to the 103 and 105 services.

    She issued a press statement saying how awful it was that passengers from Duleek and Kentstown would no longer be able to get to Dublin on the 105, because the route of the 105 was being changed to serve Blanchardstown Connolly Hospital as a last stop, instead of Dublin city centre.

    She didn't even know that the 105 had never served Duleek or Kentstown, when the 105 had served Ratoath and Ashbourne, to and from Dublin, before the timetable changes to the 103 and 105 services in 2016.

    Duleek had been served on the 103, and Kentstown on the 107, at the time that Regina Doherty issued that press statement.

    Her statement, in January 2016, starts with the following paragraph:

    "Fine Gael TD for Meath East, Regina Doherty, has called on Bus Eireann to reverse proposed changes to Route 105 which will see the new terminus at Connolly Hospital and will no longer bring commuters from Duleek, Kentstown, Ashbourne, and Ratoath to the city centre".

    http://reginadoherty.blogspot.ie/2016/01/doherty-calls-for-reversal-of-proposed.html


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    #127
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    Gonzo wrote: »
    the new timetable for Dunshaughlin is brutal. Today I got the bus from Dunshaughlin to Navan, then back to Dunshaughlin. 2 buses failed to turn up and then on the way home, I noticed that most of the services were NX which use the motorway and avoid Dunshaughlin, no 109 for over an hour.

    Then this evening got the bus from Dunshaughlin to blanch, had no problems there, then on way home waited over an hour a 109 on the slip road and in that time 6 X services passed, none of them going to Dunshaughlin, then the 109 failed to show and I saw it driving past on the N3, avoiding the slip road altogether. Myself and my friends ended up phoning for a lift after waiting over 90 minutes with no service available, absolutely disgraceful.

    Perhaps it is more accurate to state that it isn't the timetable that is brutal, and that what is brutal, are the issues that occurred that resulted in buses not arriving, according to the timetable?

    There are 109 buses scheduled to operate every 20 minutes, and every 30 minutes, to and from Dunshaughlin and Blanchardstown, for much of the day.

    The scheduled services on the 109 between Navan and Dunshaughlin are also quite frequent. The 109A operates 24 hours between Navan and Dunshaughlin.

    One disadvantage of the timetable changes on the 109X between Cavan and Dublin is that there is no longer a direct connection between Dunshaughlin, Virginia and Cavan. Anyone at Cavan or Virginia going to Dunshaughlin would have to change buses at Kells.

    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435589-109.pdf
    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435671-109X.pdf


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    #128
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    piplip87 wrote: »
    On the 5:15 109X. Still on the M50. Can't see how this service is ment to be quicker at peak times.

    Went into the city on the 11:10 from Virginia. Again I cannot see the point in going Via Finglas or the M50.

    The 109X to and from Dublin and Cavan, serves stops to and from Finglas and Glasnevin. That is why it goes via Finglas.

    That might seem like an obvious answer to your query, wondering what the point is, of it going via Finglas.

    The 109X from Dublin serves Whitworth Road Lower, Glasnevin Hart's Corner, Finglas (Opposite Bottom of Hill) and Finglas (North Road Westbound)

    The 109X from Cavan serves Finglas (North Road), Finglas (Bottom of Hill) and Dublin (Glasnevin)

    If no one got out at Finglas or Glasnevin, on the particular bus you got from Virginia, it doesn't mean that people didn't get out at Finglas or Glasnevin, on one of the earlier or later 109X services, from Cavan to Dublin, at the stops at; Finglas North Road, Finglas (Bottom of Hill) and Dublin (Glasnevin),

    If no one got on the 109X service that you got at 5.15pm from Dublin to Cavan, at the stops at; Lower Dorset Street, Whitworth Road Lower, Glasnevin (Harts Corner), Finglas (Opposite Bottom of Hill) and Finglas (North Road Westbound), it doesn't mean that no one got on at these stops on the the earlier or later 109X services, from Dublin to Cavan.

    At least on the 5.15pm 109X from Dublin, you didn't have to go through Navan!:)

    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435671-109X.pdf


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    #129
    tara83
    Registered Users Posts: 276 ✭✭tara83


    horseburger wrote: »
    Perhaps it is more accurate to state that it isn't the timetable that is brutal, and that what is brutal, are the issues that occurred that resulted in buses not arriving, according to the timetable?

    There are 109 buses scheduled to operate every 20 minutes, and every 30 minutes, to and from Dunshaughlin and Blanchardstown, for much of the day.

    The scheduled services on the 109 between Navan and Dunshaughlin are also quite frequent. The 109A operates 24 hours between Navan and Dunshaughlin.

    One disadvantage of the timetable changes on the 109X between Cavan and Dublin is that there is no longer a direct connection between Dunshaughlin, Virginia and Cavan. Anyone at Cavan or Virginia going to Dunshaughlin would have to change buses at Kells.

    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435589-109.pdf
    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435671-109X.pdf

    Dunshaughlin now has less peak time buses and from the timetable anyway none serve the South city anymore


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    #130
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    tara83 wrote: »
    Dunshaughlin now has less peak time buses and from the timetable anyway none serve the South city anymore

    I was referring to the frequency of connections between Dunshaughlin and Navan, and Dunshaughlin and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads, in reply to the post about these locations, which were mentioned by the poster above, named Gonzo. Gonzo described the timetable as brutal, in relation to getting to and from the Blanchardstown Slip Roads and Dunshaughlin, and to and from Dunshaughlin and Navan.

    It sounds to me, that it isn't the timetable that is at fault, in relation to the 109 services, to and from Navan and Dunshaughlin, and to and from Dunshaughlin and the Blanchardstown Slip Roads not operating, according to the timetable, as indicated by Gonzo. There is a very frequent service scheduled, as outlined in the timetable.

    The issue is that the services did not operate according to the timetable, and it seems that it wasn't due to traffic issues, that services were not operating at particular times.

    Absenteeism was mentioned in this RTE news item, as a reason for some of the services not operating according to the new timetable.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0926/907636-bus-eireann/


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    #131
    Commuter109
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Commuter109


    Standing waiting 30 minutes for an NX tonight , pinged them a message on FB to see what was happening to be told the NX service was cancelled tonight. Joke Shop , No notice given that I can see . 😡😡😡😡


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    #132
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Nothing on the website whatosever, would your experience suggest that there has generally been more disruption than posted?


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    #133
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    devnull wrote: »
    Nothing on the website whatosever, would your experience suggest that there has generally been more disruption than posted?

    There is an item on the website, concerning two services of the 103.

    It is not correct to say there is nothing on the website whatsoever. There has been an item posted every day listing "disruptions" each day.

    The item, posted either last night at midnight, or earlier this morning, states:

    "Updated: Midnight

    We wish to advise customers of the following disprutions to todays services in the Eastern Region

    Route 103
    •07.10 Dublin/Ratoath – (Alternative Services at 06.58 & 07.28)
    •08.15 Ratoath/Dublin – (Alternative Services at 07.55 & 08.35)

    We regret any inconvenience these disruptions may cause our customers.

    Wednesday, 27th September, 2017."


    http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2397&month=Sep


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    #134
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    horseburger wrote: »
    There is an item on the website, concerning two services of the 103.

    It is not correct to say there is nothing on the website whatsoever. There has been an item posted every day listing "disruptions" each day.

    The item posted earlier today states:

    "Updated: Midnight

    We wish to advise customers of the following disprutions to todays services in the Eastern Region

    Route 103
    •07.10 Dublin/Ratoath – (Alternative Services at 06.58 & 07.28)
    •08.15 Ratoath/Dublin – (Alternative Services at 07.55 & 08.35)

    We regret any inconvenience these disruptions may cause our customers.

    Wednesday, 27th September, 2017."


    http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2397&month=Sep

    I was talking about the NX of which the previous poster was refering to, there is nothing about that on the website at all.


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    #135
    mugsymugsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭mugsymugsy


    Seriously not good. This is a PSO route so competitors can't compete on these routes and instead people are left with this excuse of a service.


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    #136
    Commuter109
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Commuter109


    I think so . The message I got read "NX Services cancelled tonight " so obviously more than one service .

    Witnessed a 5:40 and 6:00 cancelled on Monday , but think only the 5;40 was formally notified ?

    Can't confirm as they taking the "bad news stories " off the website asap

    I asked them why they didn't post cancellations on their FB page , obvious to say there was no response


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    #137
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    mugsymugsy wrote: »
    Seriously not good. This is a PSO route so competitors can't compete on these routes and instead people are left with this excuse of a service.

    I don't think it is accurate to say that other bus companies cannot compete on these routes.

    There are two other companies running services to and from Dublin, covering towns that are served on the 109, NX, 109X and 109A.

    Ashbourne Connect runs services daily to and from Dublin and Ashbourne and Ratoath.

    Sillan Tours covers Navan to and from Dublin daily.

    Sillan Tours also includes Dunshaughlin on a number of its services.

    The difference is that Bus Éireann operate daily services, to and from Dublin, much later than the services operated by Ashbourne Connect and Sillan Tours.

    Since the end of July 2016, Bus Éireann has been operating a 24 hour service to and from Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Ratoath, Ashbourne and Dublin Airport, on the 109A service. There is a full 24 hour service between Kells, Navan, Dunshaughlin, Ratoath, Ashbourne and Dublin City Centre, through the 109, 109X, and NX services, the 103 service, and the 109A service which drops off at Bus Aras, hourly, during the night, and leaves from Bus Aras Store Street, hourly at 25 past the hour, from 12.25am till 6.25am.

    Despite the unfortunate instances of cancellations, over the last 10 days, or so, it is somewhat more than an "excuse of a service".

    Would Sillan Tours or Ashbourne Connect be inclined to operate later services?

    Would the NTA be receptive to the idea of either company operating later services to and from Dublin, if either company applied to do so?

    Is there any stipulation, prohibiting them from operating later services, to and from Dublin, if, as I understand it, that the rule is, that they cannot operate services that have the exact same routes, that are covered by other bus companies, in this case, Bus Éireann?

    Neither Sillan Tours or Ashbourne Connect run services, that are the exact same, as the services operated by Bus Éireann.

    http://sillan.ie/
    https://www.yougo.ie/
    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1473263565-109A.pdf
    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435671-109X.pdf
    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435631-NX.pdf
    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1504435589-109.pdf
    http://buseireann.ie/timetables/1470225086-103.pdf


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    #138
    tom23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭tom23


    horseburger wrote: »
    There is an item on the website, concerning two services of the 103.

    It is not correct to say there is nothing on the website whatsoever. There has been an item posted every day listing "disruptions" each day.

    The item, posted either last night at midnight, or earlier this morning, states:

    "Updated: Midnight

    We wish to advise customers of the following disprutions to todays services in the Eastern Region

    Route 103
    •07.10 Dublin/Ratoath – (Alternative Services at 06.58 & 07.28)
    •08.15 Ratoath/Dublin – (Alternative Services at 07.55 & 08.35)

    We regret any inconvenience these disruptions may cause our customers.

    Wednesday, 27th September, 2017."


    http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2397&month=Sep

    Very obivious horseburger commuter109 is referring to the NX. Think before you cut and paste.


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    #139
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    tom23 wrote: »
    Very obivious horseburger commuter109 is referring to the NX. Think before you cut and paste.

    Thanks for your comment tom23, and thank you for telling me to think. I would never have thought of it otherwise.

    I didn't dispute that Commuter109 was referencing the NX.

    I was referring to the statement by devnull which suggested that there were no details "whatsoever" on the Bus Éireann website.

    devnull stated: "Nothing on the website whatsoever".

    It would have been a more accurate statement, if devnull had stated, that there are no details whatsoever on the website, about the cancellation of the NX service, on the particular day, concerning the particular NX service, for which Commuter109, had been waiting.

    Commuter109 had stated that the daily updates on the Timetable News section of the website, about cancellations, are being deleted each day. Commuter109 suggested that the deleting of the items, was preventing bus users from being able to check and compare, through reading previous daily updates, what cancellations have occurred on each day.

    Commuter109 stated:
    "Can't confirm as they taking the "bad news stories " off the website asap".

    The items are not being taken off the website. Here are the links to the daily list of Timetable News items that were posted on each day.

    The items for each day, are included in the Timetable Archive section of the website. The items detail daily cancellations over the last six days, since last Saturday 23rd September.

    Commuter109 had stated that these items were being deleted from the website.

    Saturday 23rd September 2017
    http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2390&month=Sep

    Sunday 24th September 2017
    http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2392&month=Sep

    Monday 25th September 2017
    http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2393&month=Sep

    Tuesday 26th September 2017
    http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2394&month=Sep

    Wednesday 27th September 2017
    http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2397&month=Sep


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    #140
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    horseburger wrote: »
    I didn't dispute that Commuter109 was referencing the NX.

    I was referring to the statement by devnull which suggested that there was no details whatsoever on the Bus Éireann website. devnull stated: "Nothing on the website whatsoever".

    Commuter109 stated:
    "Can't confirm as they taking the "bad news stories " off the website asap".

    The items are not being taken off the website. Here are the links to the daily list of Timetable News items that were posted each day,

    I replied after Commuter109 and I was speaking about the NX service that such poster was speaking about, I've already explained that once and clarrified that.

    I think what Commuter109 was talking about was the fact that the news articles are being deleted off the front page so they became harder to find rather than deleted.


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    #141
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    devnull wrote: »
    I replied after Commuter109 and I was speaking about the NX service that such poster was speaking about, I've already explained that once and clarrified that.

    I think what Commuter109 was talking about was the fact that the news articles are being deleted off the front page so they became harder to find rather than deleted.

    They aren't hard to find, if you look for them, which I did, rather than incorrectly assuming, that they are being deleted.

    I have included, in my last post, the links to each press release item, that were posted daily, on buseireann.ie. The items detail cancellations that occurred on each day, since Saturday 23rd September 2017.


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    #142
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,556 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    All the previous cancellation notices are still in there in the timetable news archive.

    No point in keeping out of date info on the front page.

    But the fundamental point is that clearly not all cancellations are being listed on the website, and frankly that is not good enough.


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    #143
    Commuter109
    Registered Users Posts: 212 ✭✭Commuter109


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    All the previous cancellation notices are still in there in the timetable news archive.

    No point in keeping out of date info on the front page.

    But the fundamental point is that clearly not all cancellations are being listed on the website, and frankly that is not good enough.

    Having had a look at the " archive" , they certainly are not. They 2 buses I waited for that didn't show on Monday aren't on the list of cancelled services and last nights cancellation of "NX Services" ( how ever many that accounted for but I am assuming at least 5 i.e. 9:10 onward ) weren't published either.

    In fact the only bus I have successfully got on time this week was the 5.20 on Tuesday


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    #144
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    Commuter109 wrote: »
    Having had a look at the " archive" , they certainly are not. They 2 buses I waited for that didn't show on Monday aren't on the list of cancelled services and last nights cancellation of "NX Services" ( how ever many that accounted for but I am assuming at least 5 i.e. 9:10 onward ) weren't published either.

    In fact the only bus I have successfully got on time this week was the 5.20 on Tuesday

    LXFlyer said all previous cancellation notices, that were published on the website, are in the Timetable Archive, on the website, and were not deleted off the website.

    LXFlyer said: "All the previous cancellation notices are still in there in the timetable news archive".

    LXFlyer did not state that the details of every cancellation were included on the website. Nor did I. I said that, the items detailing cancellations for each day, from Saturday 23rd September 2017, that were published on the website daily, are still available on the website.

    You were incorrect in stating that each item was being deleted from the website.

    LXFlyer actually agreed with you, that not all cancellations were being included on the website, but judging by the tone of your post, you didn't notice that.

    LXFlyer stated: "But the fundamental point is that clearly not all cancellations are being listed on the website, and frankly that is not good enough".


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    #145
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Less sniping at each other and back to the topic at hand please.

    Do not reply to this post.

    - Moderator


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    #146
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    A list of "disruptions" posted today, updated 5.25pm.

    http://buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=2398&month=Sep

    "Updated 17.25

    We regret to advise customers in the Eastern Region of disruptions to the following services:

    Route 103
    18.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    19.38 Dublin/Ratoath
    21.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    17.42 Ratoath/Dublin
    20.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    20.42 Ratoath/Dublin
    22.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    23.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    Route 109
    18.15 Dublin/Cavan
    20.25 Dunshaughlin/Dublin
    Route 109X
    17.45 Dublin/Cavan
    20.45 Cavan/Dublin
    Route 111
    23.15 Dublin/Athboy
    Route NX
    19.35 Dublin/Navan
    20.40 Dublin/Navan
    22.25 Dublin/Navan
    18.00 Navan/Dublin
    18.20 Navan/Dublin
    21.00 Navan/Dublin
    23.00 Navan/Dublin
    23.35 Navan/Dublin

    We apologise to our customers for any inconvenience these disruptions may cause
    Thursday, 28th September, 2017."


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    #147
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Very late to post that though as there was nothing there an hour ago at all about today. Large queues down near Beresford place for some services.


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    #148
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Updated again
    Updated 19.00

    We regret to advise customers in the Eastern Region of disruptions to the following services:

    Route 103
    18.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    19.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    21.58 Dublin/Ratoath
    23.28 Dublin/Ratoath
    20.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    21.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    22.02 Ratoath/Dublin
    23.02 Ratoath/Dublin

    Route 109
    20.25 Dunshaughlin/Dublin

    Route NX
    19.35 Dublin/Navan
    20.40 Dublin/Navan
    22.25 Dublin/Navan
    18.00 Navan/Dublin
    18.20 Navan/Dublin
    21.00 Navan/Dublin
    23.00 Navan/Dublin
    23.35 Navan/Dublin


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    #149
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,556 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Commuter109 wrote: »
    Having had a look at the " archive" , they certainly are not. They 2 buses I waited for that didn't show on Monday aren't on the list of cancelled services and last nights cancellation of "NX Services" ( how ever many that accounted for but I am assuming at least 5 i.e. 9:10 onward ) weren't published either.

    In fact the only bus I have successfully got on time this week was the 5.20 on Tuesday

    For clarity I said that the previous notices that were on the website are in the archive.

    Those NX service cancellations weren't on the website at all in the first place which clearly isn't good enough.


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    #150
    tom23
    Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭tom23


    A friend of mine got caught up in that this evening. Got to the bus stop at Beresford place at 4 no show till 5 to 5 and to. And to make matters worse door on bus would not open and close properly. Very worrying times for BE this NX route was meant to bring confidence back to Navan commuters but it's pushing them further away.


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    #151
    horseburger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭horseburger


    LXFlyer wrote: »
    For clarity I said that the previous notices that were on the website are in the archive.

    Those NX service cancellations weren't on the website at all in the first place which clearly isn't good enough.

    What you had written, was very clear, in the first place. I understood what you had written and mentioned it in a subsequent post.


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