Limerick improvement projects

ChewBerecca · 13-07-2020 12:38pm

Fairly certain the "marked increase" is people easing out of lockdown. No idea where the Leader gets its figures at times.

Cetyl Palmitate · 13-07-2020 12:42pm

ChewBerecca wrote: »

Fairly certain the "marked increase" is people easing out of lockdown. No idea where the Leader gets its figures at times.

Hard to argue with their exacting approach. Headline seems backed up by cold hard facts:

“The traders noticed a marked increase in business last Saturday and we believe that the free Saturday parking on the streets introduced by Limerick City and County Council contributed hugely to the volume of people in town."

“I was on the till for four hours on Saturday morning and met many customers who came into the city centre because the parking was free."

Cossax · 13-07-2020 8:49pm

Cetyl Palmitate wrote: »

Hard to argue with their exacting approach. Headline seems backed up by cold hard facts:

“The traders noticed a marked increase in business last Saturday and we believe that the free Saturday parking on the streets introduced by Limerick City and County Council contributed hugely to the volume of people in town."

“I was on the till for four hours on Saturday morning and met many customers who came into the city centre because the parking was free."

The Leader has an agenda itself or is pushing an angle for its advertisers.

I find that headline hard to believe as people park wherever they want every day of the week anyway. If someone wasn't willing to pay a fairly nominal amount an hour to park in town, are they suddenly going to flock to the place when it's free?

timesnewroman · 14-07-2020 9:01am

Cetyl Palmitate wrote: »

Hard to argue with their exacting approach. Headline seems backed up by cold hard facts:

“The traders noticed a marked increase in business last Saturday and we believe that the free Saturday parking on the streets introduced by Limerick City and County Council contributed hugely to the volume of people in town."

“I was on the till for four hours on Saturday morning and met many customers who came into the city centre because the parking was free."

“Cold hard facts”? Brilliantly Trumpian I thought. All I can see is a bit of hearsay from a business owner, who, if I’m not mistaken was not in favour of the councils recent proposals for Catherine St. Saturday was a nice day and that’s always going to draw people into town and the proximity of Gleesons shop to the People’s Park on a nice day can’t hurt either. Of course, if the Leader bothered to speak with other retailers/shoppers around the city centre the article would have more credibility and we’d have a better gauge of the impact of free parking.

tommy249 · 14-07-2020 9:09pm

Martin Kiely posting on twitter tonight that a €40mm events centre is to be built at Thomond Park. Announcement due tomorrow. No other details yet. Limerick.ie twitter page also teasing an imminent announcement

Edit - limerick leader now running with it

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/558334/exclusive-a-massive40m-development-planned-for-limerick-s-thomond-park.html

Cookiemunster · 14-07-2020 11:38pm

tommy249 wrote: »

Martin Kiely posting on twitter tonight that a €40mm events centre is to be built at Thomond Park. Announcement due tomorrow. No other details yet. Limerick.ie twitter page also teasing an imminent announcement

Edit - limerick leader now running with it

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/558334/exclusive-a-massive40m-development-planned-for-limerick-s-thomond-park.html

I'm highly sceptical. A €40m hotel and events center in Kileely? With Munster and the IRFU having to come up with €30 of it at a time when Munster still run at a €500k loss every year and still owe millions on the stadum. And the IRFU are cutting salaries and praying that more matches don't get postponed.

Now it would be amazing if it happened, but I reckon this is another project that will be launched with huge fanfare never to be heard of again.

geotrig · 15-07-2020 8:26am

its probably going on the same site as the lidl ,aldi and forever coming northside swimming pool :pac:

Berty · 15-07-2020 8:37am

The old Dublin road becomes outbound only from the 16th July (from the paint shop down to Travelodge) - Flashing LED sign on the Dublin road advising of it.

The Mill road has funding to widen the roadscape(but not the road). They have funding to purchase land from the diocese essentially getting a footpath from Scoil Ide as far as the side entrance to St Munchins and mysteriously another set on traffic lights somewhere on the Mill road. The Limeick leader reported on it, arseways of course, saying the road is being widened but the article says the contrary.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/557774/limerick-council-bids-to-widen-well-known-corbally-bottleneck.html

Treehelpplease · 15-07-2020 9:53am

Look at Corks Event Centre and the money issues there and you will see 40 million euro is most definitely not enough

phog · 15-07-2020 10:40am

Berty wrote: »

The old Dublin road becomes outbound only from the 16th July (from the paint shop down to Travelodge) - Flashing LED sign on the Dublin road advising of it.

The Mill road has funding to widen the roadscape(but not the road). They have funding to purchase land from the diocese essentially getting a footpath from Scoil Ide as far as the side entrance to St Munchins and mysteriously another set on traffic lights somewhere on the Mill road. The Limeick leader reported on it, arseways of course, saying the road is being widened but the article says the contrary.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/557774/limerick-council-bids-to-widen-well-known-corbally-bottleneck.html

From a Rhebogue resident's POV I think they'd prefer if it was in other direction.

scrubs33 · 15-07-2020 10:43am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'm highly sceptical. A €40m hotel and events center in Kileely? With Munster and the IRFU having to come up with €30 of it at a time when Munster still run at a €500k loss every year and still owe millions on the stadum. And the IRFU are cutting salaries and praying that more matches don't get postponed.

Now it would be amazing if it happened, but I reckon this is another project that will be launched with huge fanfare never to be heard of again.

Unless there’s plans for a Monorail included its not worth reading

iguana · 15-07-2020 11:43am

Berty wrote: »

The old Dublin road becomes outbound only from the 16th July (from the paint shop down to Travelodge) - Flashing LED sign on the Dublin road advising of it.

Is there any link to information about this? I live on that road and know nothing about how it's going to work.

Cookiemunster · 15-07-2020 11:46am

iguana wrote: »

Is there any link to information about this? I live on that road and know nothing about how it's going to work.

This is the only info available.

Old Dublin Road (L5174) Map
Prohibition of vehicular access westbound on L5174 from a point 35m NW of its junction with the R445 Dublin road.

Via Dublin Road (R445)
From Thursday 16th July to Friday 28th August
24 Hour Vehicle Entry Prohibition

iguana · 15-07-2020 11:57am

It's an absolutely ridiculous change, I don't know what the hell it's supposed to achieve. I can get that the righthand turn from the Dublin Road towards Aldi may be dangerous, I've witnessed dangerous turns made there, including an accident that was 100% the fault of the driver turning right. But what the hell is the issue with people coming from Aldi turning up Groody Hill, which is the name of the road, not Old Dublin Rd, (Old Dublin Rd is in Lisnagry). Now anyone coming from Aldi has to go onto the Dublin Rd, turn left, go around Groody roundabout, back up the Dublin Rd and around the Parkway Roundabout. Adding traffic to two roundabouts that are often badly congested.

It's ridiculous that people who live on a section of road where the rules are changed haven't been notified. And beyond stupid that they are using a descriptor of the road that not everyone will remember, in lieu of it's actual name.

Berty · 15-07-2020 12:06pm

It surely is to avoid the rat run through Rhebogue to make sure people stay inbound on the Dublin road instead. If you can't go up the hill then you have to go around the Parkway roundabout and if you've to do that you may as well keep going. I'm sure that is the reasoning behind it.

Berty · 15-07-2020 1:52pm

So the left inbound lane on the Shannon bridge is officially gone. Now a contra flow cycle lane.

TPMP · 15-07-2020 1:54pm

On my way to work this morning I noticed a sign on the Condell Road saying from July 16th there will be no left turn on to the quays from the Shannon Bridge roundabout. Anyone know more on this? How long will it be in place? Will the opposite direction be open?

phog · 15-07-2020 2:07pm

All those changes are temporary, they last until sometime in August. It's allow more space for pedestrians and cyclists during the Covid Restrictions especially with reduced numbers that can use public transport. Some are also to allow eateries use public space for diners.

Mc Love · 15-07-2020 2:11pm

TPMP wrote: »

On my way to work this morning I noticed a sign on the Condell Road saying from July 16th there will be no left turn on to the quays from the Shannon Bridge roundabout. Anyone know more on this? How long will it be in place? Will the opposite direction be open?

Surely you can use Henry st as an alternative

Cookiemunster · 15-07-2020 2:14pm

Berty wrote: »

So the left inbound lane on the Shannon bridge is officially gone. Now a contra flow cycle lane.

I hope the a least put temp bollards between the cycle lanes and the traffic lane.

TPMP wrote: »

On my way to work this morning I noticed a sign on the Condell Road saying from July 16th there will be no left turn on to the quays from the Shannon Bridge roundabout. Anyone know more on this? How long will it be in place? Will the opposite direction be open?

It's in place until August 30th and the opposite direction is to stay open.

Tefral · 15-07-2020 2:15pm

TPMP wrote: »

On my way to work this morning I noticed a sign on the Condell Road saying from July 16th there will be no left turn on to the quays from the Shannon Bridge roundabout. Anyone know more on this? How long will it be in place? Will the opposite direction be open?

Id say thats a road closure based on the erection of a crane for the bishops quay job.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 15-07-2020 2:29pm

Access to O’Callaghan Strand is also to be closed off from the 3 possibilities at the hotel.

Cetyl Palmitate · 15-07-2020 2:30pm

Tefral wrote: »

Id say thats a road closure based on the erection of a crane for the bishops quay job.

No. Its a 2 way cycle lane as outlined in the "Guiding Limerick through Covid-19" doc available on Limerick.ie

colm_mcm · 15-07-2020 4:39pm

Berty wrote: »

So the left inbound lane on the Shannon bridge is officially gone. Now a contra flow cycle lane.

Went through it this evening. What a mess.
Will really affect inbound traffic in the mornings.

The contraflow cycle lane arrangement is bizzare and pointless.

Cetyl Palmitate · 15-07-2020 4:45pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Went through it this evening. What a mess.
Will really affect inbound traffic in the mornings.

The contraflow cycle lane arrangement is bizzare and pointless.

Far from pointless to all pedestrians and cyclists using that bridge.

colm_mcm · 15-07-2020 4:48pm

Pointless to have contraflow over a conventional cycle lane.

I’d imagine they went this way because they didn’t want to realign the island near the roundabout to accommodate the new cycle lane outbound.

mrsoundie · 15-07-2020 4:50pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Went through it this evening. What a mess.
Will really affect inbound traffic in the mornings.

The contraflow cycle lane arrangement is bizzare and pointless.

Was thinking that myself passing it this afternoon.

breezy1985 · 15-07-2020 5:49pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Pointless to have contraflow over a conventional cycle lane.

I’d imagine they went this way because they didn’t want to realign the island near the roundabout to accommodate the new cycle lane outbound.

Does anyone know why 2 lane cycleways like this are always backwards in Limerick? any other city I've cycled in cycle traffic passes on the right the same as with cars

mgbgt1978 · 15-07-2020 6:33pm

Possibly because some dimmer Councillors spotted something similar while on a junket in Europe and failed to notice that they drive on the right.....(or maybe its so the Cyclist can see his end nearing)

Cookiemunster · 15-07-2020 6:42pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Does anyone know why 2 lane cycleways like this are always backwards in Limerick? any other city I've cycled in cycle traffic passes on the right the same as with cars

Yeah, especially when the lanes come to an abrupt stop at the traffic lights and after the that there are two normal cycle lanes either side of the Condell Road. How is a cyclist coming from the Dock Road side supposed to continue out the Condell Road?

Cookiemunster · 15-07-2020 6:43pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Possibly because some dimmer Councillors spotted something similar while on a junket in Europe and failed to notice that they drive on the right.....(or maybe its so the Cyclist can see his end nearing)

Engineers, not councillors design the layouts.

breezy1985 · 15-07-2020 6:44pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Possibly because some dimmer Councillors spotted something similar while on a junket in Europe and failed to notice that they drive on the right.....(or maybe its so the Cyclist can see his end nearing)

Between this and the useless on path cycle lanes that seesaw up and down driveways, are full of pedestrians and end without warning into traffic lights its hard to find a cycle lane thats good in Limerick. Condell road and by UL are about it

TPMP · 15-07-2020 7:07pm

Mc Love wrote: »

Surely you can use Henry st as an alternative

Can I though? I passed it on the way home and the inbound lane had a right turn only on it. I presume that'll be adjusted so that you can go straight on too. At least it's only temporary. I have to say it looks awful and the benefits it'll bring are minimal compared to the inevitable gridlock it'll cause.

pajoguy · 15-07-2020 7:34pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Yeah, especially when the lanes come to an abrupt stop at the traffic lights and after the that there are two normal cycle lanes either side of the Condell Road. How is a cyclist coming from the Dock Road side supposed to continue out the Condell Road?

Dismount at the lights, turn left up shelbourne road for 10 yards, cross using the green man and cross the condell road to the far side to continue on your way. Pressure is on the local authority to do something in a number of weeks that would normally be done over 12 months.

The closure on the old dublin road is councillor led. Nobody in the local authority is agreeing with this but like everything the elected members want their own bit. Shambles.

mgbgt1978 · 15-07-2020 9:38pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Engineers, not councillors design the layouts.

So you are saying that the professionals are attempting to force cyclists to head towards each other in an alien manner???

manna452121 · 15-07-2020 10:42pm

Things are not going to change because we have cycle lanes.I attemped to walk over Thomond Bridge today and was met by 2 cyclists on the footpath,who do you think had to go onto the road? The Condell road has 3 cycle lanes and a bus lane which is only used by taxis.The other change not mentioned is the closure of O'callaghan strand from one end at Sarsfield bridge,is the boardwalk not big enough for all ?

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 15-07-2020 10:58pm

manna452121 wrote: »

The other change not mentioned is the closure of O'callaghan strand from one end at Sarsfield bridge,is the boardwalk not big enough for all ?

*ahem*

Kyleigh CoolS Synthesizer wrote: »

Access to O’Callaghan Strand is also to be closed off from the 3 possibilities at the hotel.

P.S. the boardwalk is on the other side of the river.

Cookiemunster · 15-07-2020 11:22pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

So you are saying that the professionals are attempting to force cyclists to head towards each other in an alien manner???

Yes. Councillors have absolutely nothing to do with it. The vote on stuff, they're not responsible for making it happen.

thesimpsons · 16-07-2020 12:19am

Kyleigh CoolS Synthesizer wrote: »

Access to O’Callaghan Strand is also to be closed off from the 3 possibilities at the hotel.

I'm confused - What does the 3 possibilities mean?

breezy1985 · 16-07-2020 12:59am

pajoguy wrote: »

Dismount at the lights, turn left up shelbourne road for 10 yards, cross using the green man and cross the condell road to the far side to continue on your way. Pressure is on the local authority to do something in a number of weeks that would normally be done over 12 months.

The closure on the old dublin road is councillor led. Nobody in the local authority is agreeing with this but like everything the elected members want their own bit. Shambles.

Ide be doing 25/30kph on the bridge and if I have a green light in front of me I still have to stop dismount wait for 2 green men and then start up again.

Ya its not the end of the world but it is something replicated in other areas like at the parkway and Coonagh Cross soif council policy is a dismount at every set of traffic lights which is how they seem to be going then Im probably gonna give up using the lanes or give up the bike

Cookiemunster · 16-07-2020 9:09am

thesimpsons wrote: »

I'm confused - What does the 3 possibilities mean?

You can't enter from Sarsfield Bridge, the Ennis Rd or Clancy Strand.

Cetyl Palmitate · 16-07-2020 9:47am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Ide be doing 25/30kph on the bridge and if I have a green light in front of me I still have to stop dismount wait for 2 green men and then start up again.

Ya its not the end of the world but it is something replicated in other areas like at the parkway and Coonagh Cross soif council policy is a dismount at every set of traffic lights which is how they seem to be going then Im probably gonna give up using the lanes or give up the bike

25kmh is the current advisory speed limit on the bridge. If you are going at that speed just stay in the left hand motor lane and carry on straight out the condell road.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 16-07-2020 9:50am

thesimpsons wrote: »

I'm confused - What does the 3 possibilities mean?

Ennis Road, Sarsfield Bridge or Clancy Strand.

geotrig · 16-07-2020 9:53am

I presume residents can drive it ?

This thread should be called the Limerick improvement /disimprovement thread !:eek:

manna452121 · 16-07-2020 10:01am

Kyleigh CoolS Synthesizer wrote: »

*ahem*

P.S. the boardwalk is on the other side of the river.

Maybe i should have said the "walk way" from the boat club to Sarsfield Bridge which is very wide.

Cookiemunster · 16-07-2020 10:02am

Cetyl Palmitate wrote: »

25kmh is the current advisory speed limit on the bridge. If you are going at that speed just stay in the left hand motor lane and carry on straight out the condell road.

Nobody is taking any notice of the advisory limit because its not a legal speed limit. Cars will continue to cross the bridge at the legal limit of 50kmph (and above that).

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 16-07-2020 10:13am

geotrig wrote: »

I presume residents can drive it ?

This thread should be called the Limerick improvement /disimprovement thread !:eek:

No, they have to approach from the other side.

geotrig · 16-07-2020 10:16am

Kyleigh CoolS Synthesizer wrote: »

No, they have to approach from the other side.

so its basically becoming one way now ?

phog · 16-07-2020 11:43am

I drove over Shannon Bridge last night, someone was using the outbound lane to cycle into town and then later someone uses the pavement (opposite the cycle lanes) to cycle out of town

Cookiemunster · 16-07-2020 11:47am

phog wrote: »

I drove over Shannon Bridge last night, someone was using the outbound lane to cycle into town and then later someone uses the pavement (opposite the cycle lanes) to cycle out of town

Yeah it's really poorly thought out. Someone cycling from the Dock Rd and heading out the Condell Rd is just going to cycle along the outbound traffic lane or on the footpath rather than going around the roundabout to use a cycle lane that will then require them to dismount and use two pedestrian crossing to get back on the Condell Rd.

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