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Farage highlighting illegal migration chaos

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Can you back up your claim that there's a migrant crisis which is being suppressed?



    He isn't a journalist.

    farage hosts a radio show on current affairs ,
    he also occasionally has articles published in print media.
    he is a journalist.

    You (and your cohort)are so driven by bias you'd deny anything just because somebody you didn't like said it.
    pathetic


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you not know that the same attitudes were prevalent against the Irish until the 1980's or even later? We had independence for 50-60 years and were still poor. Must have been low IQ given that the Brits were long gone. I mean we ceased to be a de-facto colony in the early 1920's. We should have been world leaders by the 1930's.

    Foolish decisions. Engaging in an economic war with our biggest trade partner after independence wasn't exactly sound logic. Same with encouraging socialist economics for a long time, which history has since shown to be rather ineffective.

    Responsibility. It's not about IQ or stupidity. It's about making poor decisions. Simple as that. Just as Germany joining the Austrians at WW1 was a poor decision. Just as in Zimbabwe, the dismantling of western built industry/economy in a foolish attempt to push communism was a poor decision. Nothing to do with IQ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭Cordell


    While I find the caste system in India to be a horrible system, most Indian people are respectful and nice to each other. It's just a different cultural group with customs I wouldn't want to live under
    From my limited interaction, they are indeed nice and polite, but not respectful. None of them considers the others equal, going both ways, and that I've seen in highly educated people, corporate environment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    GinSoaked wrote: »
    I thought farage was a colour not a person?

    Farage and Ball's "immigrant yellow" is this years on trend colour for upcycled 40 foot containers.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cordell wrote: »
    From my limited interaction, they are indeed nice and polite, but not respectful. None of them considers the others equal, going both ways, and that I've seen in highly educated people, corporate environment.

    Same. I visited India twice, and I'd be in no rush to return. I've encountered them through work/social but I find them quite similar to Muslims. Individually the men are fine, but as a group, their behavior/thinking changes completely in ways I find... disturbing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Donald Trump do not post in this thread again
    One sentence I never thought I'd see on boards! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    No it does not. That article is an anecdotal story with no evidence at all. That does not prove to me that Farage is racist.

    Imagine I accused you of being racist. Now imagine I went to the press with the accusation and the only evidence I had was a 30 year old story by a former teacher that was based on second hand information by another student. I dont think I really need to explain it any further. The article is a complete fabricated smear job the likes of which Farage has dealt with his entire career.

    The problem is, he is right and he is a winner. If people cannot tackle his arguments, they simply try to smear him. Its the age old tactic of the left.

    I've news for you. A letter written by someone with experience of the individual is evidence. It's inconclusive, but it is an informed opinion which you can take or leave. I choose to consider it in the context of everything else I know about the individual having observed them over several years.

    I think you'd be better of not trying to explain your view outside of simply saying you like Farage and agree with his policies therefore think he is a fine person. That's your opinion but you have no more definitive fact as to the make up of his character than anyone else. Most people choose to form an opinion based on their actions and behaviours. Farage has used inflammatory imagery and words to more than support the view that he is xenohpobic and I think he is this way because he is a racist.

    As for calling him a winner. Are you aware he failed to be elected to Westminster having tried to do so at least 7 times?

    C4 were staunchly anti Brexit. It was (and still is) clear for anyone to see...

    "Channel 4 News is biased against the Tories, say its own journalists"

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1214627/channel-four-left-wing-bias-against-tories-boris-johnson-bbc-labour-jeremy-corbyn

    "Channel 4's John Snow in anti Brexit chant at Glastonbury"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/boycott-channel-4-news-jon-snows-labour-bias-former-tory-minister/

    "Channel 4's coverage 'anti-Brexit'"

    https://www.thearticle.com/it-is-time-for-a-parliamentary-enquiry-into-bias-in-the-british-media

    "Brexit Party drops out of TV leaders’ debate claiming broadcaster is unfair"

    https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-party-drops-out-of-tv-leaders-debate-claiming-broadcaster-is-unfair-1-6395180

    "Ex-Speaker John Bercow whose anti-Brexit bias sparked fury across Britain joins list of controversial choices to deliver Channel 4's Alternative Christmas Message"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7759237/Ex-Speaker-John-Bercow-deliver-Channel-4s-Alternative-Christmas-Message.html

    And lets not forget their expensive, ****ty pile of stinking propaganda starring Benedict Cumberbatch "Brexit: The Uncivil War"

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8425058/

    So, let me get this straight, you are accusing Channel 4 of being biased, and your evidence to this effect comes from The Daily Mail, The Express, The New European, The Telegraph?

    Are you for real?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Farage has used inflammatory imagery and words to more than support the view that he is xenohpobic

    Could you provide one example of that please to back it up. JUST ONE EXAMPLE. Thanks.
    So, let me get this straight, you are accusing Channel 4 of being biased, and your evidence to this effect comes from The Daily Mail, The Express, The New European, The Telegraph?

    Are you for real?

    I was demonstrating that the general consensus is that C4 are biased in favor of remain. It was plainly obvious to myself and everyone else at the time. As I have demonstrated WITH EVIDENCE, even outlets on the same political spectrum as C4 agree with me.
    As for calling him a winner. Are you aware he failed to be elected to Westminster having tried to do so at least 7 times?

    He got the Brits out of Europe, that is single single-handedly the most epic win you have ever witnessed. He is a multi, MULTI millionaire businessman and has had a highly successful political career. Comon, your not fooling anyone with your whataboutery. He has survived cancer, helicopter crashes, setbacks, smearing and backstabbing. He is a winner.
    Farage has used inflammatory imagery and words to more than support the view that he is xenohpobic

    I cannot stress this enough, can you provide one example of your claim here. If it is true it should not be difficult to find. Giving me third hand information from three decades ago does not constitute evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Could you provide one example of that please to back it up. JUST ONE EXAMPLE. Thanks.
    I cannot stress this enough, can you provide one example of your claim here. If it is true it should not be difficult to find. Giving me third hand information from three decades ago does not constitute evidence.


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    The rest of your post was just a repeated demonstration of your own subjective views on this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    5049.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&The rest of your post was just a repeated demonstration of your own subjective views on this.

    You stated this:
    Farage has used inflammatory imagery and words to more than support the view that he is xenohpobic and I think he is this way because he is a racist.

    Now, back it up with evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    What are they fleeing from in France?


    do they need to be specifically fleeing france?
    anyway, tell me why i should be more annoyed about people wanting to seek a better life in britain all be it illegally, over farage heading out to dover on a non-essential trip when his country is in lockdown to no doubt push whatever agenda he is in all likely hood trying to push?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    splashuum wrote: »
    It’s dangerous to make that sort of accusation. Pretty sad that the poster will not provide any proof.

    Labelling anyone who questions immigration as racist is unfortunately par the course in modern political discourse. You're either fully onboard or a xenophobic racist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You stated this:



    Now, back it up with evidence.

    Don't know if this image appeared when I posted it on my last post.

    HENEO6I3LI5MVBX5VWH43YDLOY.jpg&w=767

    Or here is the link

    Another Link
    Even his racism is class-bound. Mr. Farage’s problem is not just with immigrants, it seems, but with poor immigrants especially: those from Eastern Europe, or Muslim countries, or those with H.I.V. He has said he would be uncomfortable with Romanians as neighbors, but he married a woman from Germany.

    What did he say about Romanians I hear you ask
    Link
    He added: "I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    What are they fleeing from in France?

    a lack of automatic welfare payments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Labelling anyone who questions immigration as racist is unfortunately par the course in modern political discourse. You're either fully onboard or a xenophobic racist.


    nope, one can question immigration away all they like.
    they can't simply spout whatever about immigrants unchallenged however.

    a lack of automatic welfare payments.


    clearly a bad move then given they apparently don't get such in britain either.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    What are they fleeing from in France?

    A 'foreign country' with a strong language, regulation, registration system and a sense of culture and an ethnocentric identity.

    Nobody rocks up in England's bottomless diaspora of Luton's and Hounslow's walking around looking lost and trying to grope their way around in 'a foreign country', it's foreign to nobody and belongs to the world.

    Even England doesn't exist as a proper nation state with a constitution and bill of rights, it's swallowed up and dissipated the by 19th Century U.K or 'Britishness', it suits the Brit Establishment for the English to assimilate and ubiquitise themselves with nebulous, sketchy Britishness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Don't know if this image appeared when I posted it on my last post.

    HENEO6I3LI5MVBX5VWH43YDLOY.jpg&w=767

    Or here is the link

    Another Link


    What did he say about Romanians I hear you ask
    Link

    Washington Post link is behind a paywall. None of the rest of it is racist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Don't know if this image appeared when I posted it on my last post.

    HENEO6I3LI5MVBX5VWH43YDLOY.jpg&w=767

    Or here is the link

    Another Link


    What did he say about Romanians I hear you ask
    Link


    Youve sent me a load of links stating the obvious that Farage is against immigration. Firstly, he has no problem with controlled immigration and secondly, it is not racist to oppose immigration. Romanians are not a race for example. Muslims are not a race.


    Again, could you provide a link that backs up your claim that Farage is "racist". Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    nope, one can question immigration away all they like.
    they can't simply spout whatever about immigrants unchallenged however.

    Oh you can question away no doubt. However you'll be very quickly labelled racist by some quarters almost instantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Youve sent me a load of links stating the obvious that Farage is against immigration. Firstly, he has no problem with controlled immigration and secondly, it is not racist to oppose immigration. Romanians are not a race for example. Muslims are not a race.


    Again, could you provide a link that backs up your claim that Farage is "racist". Thanks.

    If you want to be pedantic and say that Muslims and Romanians are not inherently different races then that's fine.

    You know as well as I do that the term is applied to anyone who inherently feels that someone who is different to them through a defined measure or that they project assumptions on the behaviors of an individual because of said defined measure and as a consequence people who belong to that group are of less importance or merit than the person making the judgement.

    That withstanding, the start of this thread of the conversation was you asking for for a link to support the claim that Farage is xenophobic.
    Farage has used inflammatory imagery and words to more than support the view that he is xenohpobic
    Could you provide one example of that please to back it up. JUST ONE EXAMPLE. Thanks.

    So, given what has been posted, are you willing to admit that in your view, he is not racist, but is xenophobic?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Would that be the xenophobic Douglas Murray?

    Yeah he must be xenophobic because he isn't fully on board with the open border madness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    If you want to be pedantic and say that Muslims and Romanians are not inherently different races then that's fine.

    You know as well as I do that the term is applied to anyone who inherently feels that someone who is different to them through a defined measure or that they project assumptions on the behaviors of an individual because of said defined measure and as a consequence people who belong to that group are of less importance or merit than the person making the judgement.

    You said that he is literally racist. You said you had heard him say things that are racist. I asked you many times to back up that assertion. You did not.
    Firstly, will you admit that he is not racist?
    That withstanding, the start of this thread of the conversation was you asking for for a link to support the claim that Farage is xenophobic.

    So, given what has been posted, are you willing to admit that in your view, he is not racist, but is xenophobic?

    I'd be willing to do that but I would firstly need to hear what your exact definition of "xenophobic" is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yeah he must be xenophobic because he isn't fully on board with the open border madness.

    Why is it that people (and their supporters) who publish works on the issues of integration between communities and how particular groups, cultures or religions are inherently troublesome have an issue with being called xenophobes?

    The dictionary definition which is
    a person having a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

    I mean, if the shoe fits.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Why is it that people (and their supporters) who publish works on the issues of integration between communities and how particular groups, cultures or religions are inherently troublesome have an issue with being called xenophobes?

    The dictionary definition which is



    I mean, if the shoe fits.....

    Has Douglas Murray said that Muslims, for example, are "inherently" troublesome. Have you read any of his books? How does one question immigration and the ability of some to integrate effectively in your opinion without crossing into being a "racist, xenophobe etc."?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You said that he is literally racist. You said you had heard him say things that are racist. I asked you many times to back up that assertion. You did not.
    Firstly, will you admit that he is not racist?

    I said, in my view, he is racist. I stand by that view. It is an opinion and I am entitled to have it.
    I'd be willing to do that but I would firstly need to hear what your exact definition of "xenophobic" is?

    Not my definition, a dictionary definition according to google.
    a person having a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

    Glad you see you finally accepting that Nigel falls in to this category. Would you class yourself as a xenophobe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Has Douglas Murray said that Muslims, for example, are "inherently" troublesome. Have you read any of his books?

    I've listened to him speak and read some articles from him.

    Why would I read one of his books, when I disagree with the views of his which I have heard?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    I said, in my view, he is racist. I stand by that view. It is an opinion and I am entitled to have it.

    Your wrong though. Your opinion is misinformed as you have been shown. You can continue to go on in ignorance if you wish.
    Glad you see you finally accepting that Nigel falls in to this category. Would you class yourself as a xenophobe?

    Well now, don't be putting words in my mouth, that's not how debate works. Under the definition of xenophobe you have given I would say that Farage does NOT fall into that category. I say that because, he is against large scale immigration and not against immigration from any particular demographic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    I've listened to him speak and read some articles from him.

    Why would I read one of his books, when I disagree with the views of his which I have heard?

    Maybe you should read his books as they spell out peoples positions better that any interview or article can. Anyway, when has he claimed that certain groups of people are "inherently" troublesome?


  • Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dd973


    Douglas Murray is a creepy oleaginous pseudo intellectual bellend, it's odd how many LGBT people are into that Libertarian Right Wing stuff, I know people's sexual identity and their politics aren't necessarily the same but I'd have thought being part of a minority would posit them more towards the Left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Why would I read one of his books, when I disagree with the views of his which I have heard?
    Why would you only read books written by people you agree with? Seems kind of limiting


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Oh you can question away no doubt. However you'll be very quickly labelled racist by some quarters almost instantly.

    not for simply questioning you won't.
    Yeah he must be xenophobic because he isn't fully on board with the open border madness.

    that likely wouldn't be the reason no, as there seems to be very few people actually on board with open borders.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    dd973 wrote: »
    Douglas Murray is a creepy oleaginous pseudo intellectual bellend, it's odd how many LGBT people are into that Libertarian Right Wing stuff, I know people's sexual identity and their politics aren't necessarily the same but I'd have thought being part of a minority would posit them more towards the Left.

    Frankly the odd thing here is thinking that sexual identity is a good means of positioning someone on the political spectrum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Your wrong though. Your opinion is misinformed as you have been shown. You can continue to go on in ignorance if you wish.

    Why do you think I am wrong? Is it purely on the basis of you valuing your opinion above my own?

    Care to enlighten me with some links to remove the ignorance's which you feel I possess but you don't?
    Well now, don't be putting words in my mouth, that's not how debate works. Under the definition of xenophobe you have given I would say that Farage does NOT fall into that category. I say that because, he is against large scale immigration and not against immigration from any particular demographic.

    I didn't put any words in your mouth. You said it yourself.
    I'd be willing to do that but I would firstly need to hear what your exact definition of "xenophobic" is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    PCeeeee wrote: »
    Frankly the odd thing here is thinking that sexual identity is a good means of positioning someone on the political spectrum.

    Ironically his last book dealt with this very issue!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    not for simply questioning you won't.



    that likely wouldn't be the reason no, as there seems to be very few people actually on board with open borders.

    Oh but you will. Douglas Murray has done it and Tell Me How has called him xenophobic. Still waiting for the evidence of how he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Maybe you should read his books as they spell out peoples positions better that any interview or article can. Anyway, when has he claimed that certain groups of people are "inherently" troublesome?

    Maybe you will refuse to believe it because he didn't use the word 'inherently'

    Link
    “While everyone should remember this is a minority of people who would do such an atrocious act, it nevertheless obviously comes from Islam. It’s a problem that comes from Islam.”

    On reading his books? Why should I? I have heard enough of his philosophy to form an opinion as to what a full book of it would be like. You're not going to eat a full meal if you take a taste and find it unpalatable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Oh but you will. Douglas Murray has done it and Tell Me How has called him xenophobic. Still waiting for the evidence of how he is.


    generally in my experience, only if you are actually one will you be called such, whereas if you aren't one you won't be called such.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Maybe you will refuse to believe it because he didn't use the word 'inherently'

    Link



    On reading his books? Why should I? I have heard enough of his philosophy to form an opinion as to what a full book of it would be like. You're not going to eat a full meal if you take a taste and find it unpalatable.

    What is xenophobic about that? There are British Muslims too, and less religion would be good in general imo. Regardless, he is talking about a religion not about "people from other countries", which is the definition of xenophobia that you gave earlier. If he'd said the same thing about Catholicism no doubt you'd be fully supportive. He's even correctly prefaced what he has said with it's a minority.

    You strike me as one of these people that is desperate to portray those you don't agree with as these awful people so you can forever claim the moral victory, as "winning" debates based on fact, logic and reason is something you struggle to do. You've failed to provide any evidence for any of the spurious claims you've made about both Farage and Murray. Is Sam Harris a xenophobe too in your opinion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What is xenophobic about that? There are British Muslims too, and less religion would be good in general imo. Regardless, he is talking about a religion not about "people from other countries", which is the definition of xenophobia that you gave earlier. If he'd said the same thing about Catholicism no doubt you'd be fully supportive. He's even correctly prefaced what he has said with it's a minority.
    This is using the same tactic as Kidchameleon was at earlier. Trying to ask one question and then argue that the answer is wrong for a different question.

    I was asked to give an example of where he suggested some groups were inherently troublesome. I showed how he indicated that Muslim groups are possessed by a value which is troublesome and now you are saying that that doesn't prove he is xenophobic.
    You strike me as one of these people that is desperate to portray those you don't agree with as these awful people so you can forever claim the moral victory, as "winning" debates based on fact, logic and reason is something you struggle to do. You've failed to provide any evidence for any of the spurious claims you've made about both Farage and Murray. Is Sam Harris a xenophobe too in your opinion?

    I don't care about 'winning' any debate, least not with people who have proven time and again that they are not for changing.
    I see the influence that some people such as Farage, Murray and others have on the world and I think it is of a more negative nature than positive and we have seen how that is not for the good of society in broad terms.

    And why should I sit back and let them, or posters on boards express their opinion without countering it where I disagree with it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    countries need borders.

    borders need to be guarded.

    these truths are self evident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    This is using the same tactic as Kidchameleon was at earlier. Trying to ask one question and then argue that the answer is wrong for a different question.

    I was asked to give an example of where he suggested some groups were inherently troublesome. I showed how he indicated that Muslim groups are possessed by a value which is troublesome and now you are saying that that doesn't prove he is xenophobic.

    It's not a "tactic". Islam is a religion, an ideology. Saying people that hold a certain ideology is xenophobic is plainly ridiculous. Is saying White Nationalists are troublesome xenophobic too? From your own link:
    they might share some of the same beliefs and goals as the extremists.

    “One of the key things about this is to fall into the Muslim Brotherhood line. We have our own society, Muslim’s are a part of it, people of all faiths are a part of it.

    “But we must not fall into this what I call a bad cop, worse cop routine, where the people who would use violence are mitigated by people who say ‘we wouldn’t use violence, but we do agree with some of those aims like the creation of a caliphate.”

    As you can see, he's talking of Islam as an ideology. Nothing to do with race, ethnicity or people as such. A la, this is not an example of xenophobia.

    I don't care about 'winning' any debate, least not with people who have proven time and again that they are not for changing.
    I see the influence that some people such as Farage, Murray and others have on the world and I think it is of a more negative nature than positive and we have seen how that is not for the good of society in broad terms.

    And why should I sit back and let them, or posters on boards express their opinion without countering it where I disagree with it?

    You are making spurious claims of racism and xenophobia. Whether the influence of the two individuals is good or bad is neither here nor there, when you make such outrageous claims and cannot back them up.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    countries need borders.

    borders need to be guarded.

    these truths are self evident.

    Have you ever seen the Eu border with Africa at Melilla?

    Lines of razor wire, high fences, walls, cameras, armed guards.
    Makes Trump's border wall plans look amateur.
    Migrants camp on the African side and when their numbers become great enough they attack the border en mass.

    Yet it's never mentioned for some reason. Funny


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,042 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    countries need borders.

    borders need to be guarded.

    these truths are self evident.
    Luckily, countries are way, way ahead of you here and have had those in place for decades if not centuries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,938 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    As you can see, he's talking of Islam as an ideology. Nothing to do with race, ethnicity or people as such. A la, this is not an example of xenophobia.

    As I already pointed out, I posted that example as where he implied there were inherent issues within a group. I did not say that here is where I think he is xenophobic. I formed that opinion from a combined experience of listening to him at various points and reading more stuff from him and about him.
    You are making spurious claims of racism and xenophobia. Whether the influence of the two individuals is good or bad is neither here nor there, when you make such outrageous claims and cannot back them up.

    Let me repeat that the actions of the people being discussed here has led me to form opinions about them. I am not the only one, as you know, who view them in this way.
    I don't care whether that is enough for you or not, you have formed an opinion about me, as you expressed, in the same way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    As I already pointed out, I posted that example as where he implied there were inherent issues within a group. I did not say that here is where I think he is xenophobic. I formed that opinion from a combined experience of listening to him at various points and reading more stuff from him and about him.



    Let me repeat that the actions of the people being discussed here has led me to form opinions about them. I am not the only one, as you know, who view them in this way.
    I don't care whether that is enough for you or not, you have formed an opinion about me, as you expressed, in the same way.

    So no, no evidence. I've listened and read plenty of DM and nothing he says is racist and/or xenophobic. He, like many others, is critical of Islam, which is an ideology. You cannot be racist or xenophobic about an ideology. The ones who view these people as xenophobes and racists and throw out the words willi-nilly nearly always have the same political slant. It is nothing more than a political slur used by said people to portray their political opponents in a bad light. Nothing more and nothing less. It's McCarthy-esque. It's cheap and lessens the impacts of the words, which should be reserved for actual racists and xenophobes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    So no, no evidence. I've listened and read plenty of DM and nothing he says is racist and/or xenophobic. He, like many others, is critical of Islam, which is an ideology. You cannot be racist or xenophobic about an ideology. The ones who view these people as xenophobes and racists and throw out the words willi-nilly nearly always have the same political slant. It is nothing more than a political slur used by said people to portray their political opponents in a bad light. Nothing more and nothing less. It's McCarthy-esque. It's cheap and lessens the impacts of the words, which should be reserved for actual racists and xenophobes.


    you can absolutely be so about those who subscribe to the ideology by attacking that ideology as a way to push an agenda against said individuals however.
    there is criticising elements of a religion and then there is taking specific bits of the religion, and taking specific passages from the religion's holy book and deliberately misquoting/interpreting them so as to attack the members of that religion.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    do they need to be specifically fleeing france?

    There are literally billions of people who would enter and live in Europe if they had the opportunity. This idea of spreading refugees is delusional, the numbers are unending, growing year on year.

    In a single decade the population of Nigeria has grown by more than the total population of any European country. These people will not want to stay there if they can avoid it.

    Our refugee laws, predicated upon WW2 notions of conflict and desperation, will be our undoing as a continent.

    Farage traveling to Dover to report on the UK authorities lax attitude to illegals is small fry in comparison.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    Our refugee laws, predicated upon WW2 notions of conflict and desperation, will be our undoing as a continent.
    Hyperbole alert.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    There are literally billions of people who would enter and live in Europe if they had the opportunity. This idea of spreading refugees is delusional, the numbers are unending, growing year on year.

    In a single decade the population of Nigeria has grown by more than the total population of any European country. These people will not want to stay there if they can avoid it.

    Our refugee laws, predicated upon WW2 notions of conflict and desperation, will be our undoing as a continent.

    Farage traveling to Dover to report on the UK authorities lax attitude to illegals is small fry in comparison.

    i would suggest that it's actually not small fry given the influence he has over a number of the population, all be it a number that thankfully hasn't amounted to being enough to vote him in as an MP, but still enough to cause serious problems currently if they were to start following his lead and going out.
    his trip was non-essential, it was just him looking for more attention and he should have done the decent thing for once and stayed at home.
    the refugee laws are fine, and 99% of countries enforce their borders and that's fine also.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,514 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


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