Farage highlighting illegal migration chaos

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Can you back up your claim that there's a migrant crisis which is being suppressed?



He isn't a journalist.

farage hosts a radio show on current affairs ,
he also occasionally has articles published in print media.
he is a journalist.

You (and your cohort)are so driven by bias you'd deny anything just because somebody you didn't like said it.
pathetic

While I find the caste system in India to be a horrible system, most Indian people are respectful and nice to each other. It's just a different cultural group with customs I wouldn't want to live under

From my limited interaction, they are indeed nice and polite, but not respectful. None of them considers the others equal, going both ways, and that I've seen in highly educated people, corporate environment.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

No it does not. That article is an anecdotal story with no evidence at all. That does not prove to me that Farage is racist.

Imagine I accused you of being racist. Now imagine I went to the press with the accusation and the only evidence I had was a 30 year old story by a former teacher that was based on second hand information by another student. I dont think I really need to explain it any further. The article is a complete fabricated smear job the likes of which Farage has dealt with his entire career.

The problem is, he is right and he is a winner. If people cannot tackle his arguments, they simply try to smear him. Its the age old tactic of the left.

I've news for you. A letter written by someone with experience of the individual is evidence. It's inconclusive, but it is an informed opinion which you can take or leave. I choose to consider it in the context of everything else I know about the individual having observed them over several years.

I think you'd be better of not trying to explain your view outside of simply saying you like Farage and agree with his policies therefore think he is a fine person. That's your opinion but you have no more definitive fact as to the make up of his character than anyone else. Most people choose to form an opinion based on their actions and behaviours. Farage has used inflammatory imagery and words to more than support the view that he is xenohpobic and I think he is this way because he is a racist.

As for calling him a winner. Are you aware he failed to be elected to Westminster having tried to do so at least 7 times?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

C4 were staunchly anti Brexit. It was (and still is) clear for anyone to see...

"Channel 4 News is biased against the Tories, say its own journalists"

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1214627/channel-four-left-wing-bias-against-tories-boris-johnson-bbc-labour-jeremy-corbyn

"Channel 4's John Snow in anti Brexit chant at Glastonbury"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/30/boycott-channel-4-news-jon-snows-labour-bias-former-tory-minister/

"Channel 4's coverage 'anti-Brexit'"

https://www.thearticle.com/it-is-time-for-a-parliamentary-enquiry-into-bias-in-the-british-media

"Brexit Party drops out of TV leaders’ debate claiming broadcaster is unfair"

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-party-drops-out-of-tv-leaders-debate-claiming-broadcaster-is-unfair-1-6395180

"Ex-Speaker John Bercow whose anti-Brexit bias sparked fury across Britain joins list of controversial choices to deliver Channel 4's Alternative Christmas Message"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7759237/Ex-Speaker-John-Bercow-deliver-Channel-4s-Alternative-Christmas-Message.html

And lets not forget their expensive, ****ty pile of stinking propaganda starring Benedict Cumberbatch "Brexit: The Uncivil War"

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8425058/

So, let me get this straight, you are accusing Channel 4 of being biased, and your evidence to this effect comes from The Daily Mail, The Express, The New European, The Telegraph?

Are you for real?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Could you provide one example of that please to back it up. JUST ONE EXAMPLE. Thanks.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I cannot stress this enough, can you provide one example of your claim here. If it is true it should not be difficult to find. Giving me third hand information from three decades ago does not constitute evidence.

The rest of your post was just a repeated demonstration of your own subjective views on this.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

What are they fleeing from in France?

do they need to be specifically fleeing france?
anyway, tell me why i should be more annoyed about people wanting to seek a better life in britain all be it illegally, over farage heading out to dover on a non-essential trip when his country is in lockdown to no doubt push whatever agenda he is in all likely hood trying to push?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You stated this:



Now, back it up with evidence.

Don't know if this image appeared when I posted it on my last post.



Or here is the link

Another Link

Even his racism is class-bound. Mr. Farage’s problem is not just with immigrants, it seems, but with poor immigrants especially: those from Eastern Europe, or Muslim countries, or those with H.I.V. He has said he would be uncomfortable with Romanians as neighbors, but he married a woman from Germany.

What did he say about Romanians I hear you ask
Link

He added: "I was asked if a group of Romanian men moved in next to you, would you be concerned? And if you lived in London, I think you would be."

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Labelling anyone who questions immigration as racist is unfortunately par the course in modern political discourse. You're either fully onboard or a xenophobic racist.

nope, one can question immigration away all they like.
they can't simply spout whatever about immigrants unchallenged however.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

a lack of automatic welfare payments.

clearly a bad move then given they apparently don't get such in britain either.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yeah he must be xenophobic because he isn't fully on board with the open border madness.

Why is it that people (and their supporters) who publish works on the issues of integration between communities and how particular groups, cultures or religions are inherently troublesome have an issue with being called xenophobes?

The dictionary definition which is

a person having a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

I mean, if the shoe fits.....

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You said that he is literally racist. You said you had heard him say things that are racist. I asked you many times to back up that assertion. You did not.
Firstly, will you admit that he is not racist?

I said, in my view, he is racist. I stand by that view. It is an opinion and I am entitled to have it.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'd be willing to do that but I would firstly need to hear what your exact definition of "xenophobic" is?

Not my definition, a dictionary definition according to google.

a person having a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

Glad you see you finally accepting that Nigel falls in to this category. Would you class yourself as a xenophobe?

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Oh you can question away no doubt. However you'll be very quickly labelled racist by some quarters almost instantly.

not for simply questioning you won't.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Yeah he must be xenophobic because he isn't fully on board with the open border madness.

that likely wouldn't be the reason no, as there seems to be very few people actually on board with open borders.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Your wrong though. Your opinion is misinformed as you have been shown. You can continue to go on in ignorance if you wish.

Why do you think I am wrong? Is it purely on the basis of you valuing your opinion above my own?

Care to enlighten me with some links to remove the ignorance's which you feel I possess but you don't?

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Well now, don't be putting words in my mouth, that's not how debate works. Under the definition of xenophobe you have given I would say that Farage does NOT fall into that category. I say that because, he is against large scale immigration and not against immigration from any particular demographic.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. You said it yourself.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I'd be willing to do that but I would firstly need to hear what your exact definition of "xenophobic" is?

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Oh but you will. Douglas Murray has done it and Tell Me How has called him xenophobic. Still waiting for the evidence of how he is.

generally in my experience, only if you are actually one will you be called such, whereas if you aren't one you won't be called such.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

What is xenophobic about that? There are British Muslims too, and less religion would be good in general imo. Regardless, he is talking about a religion not about "people from other countries", which is the definition of xenophobia that you gave earlier. If he'd said the same thing about Catholicism no doubt you'd be fully supportive. He's even correctly prefaced what he has said with it's a minority.

This is using the same tactic as Kidchameleon was at earlier. Trying to ask one question and then argue that the answer is wrong for a different question.

I was asked to give an example of where he suggested some groups were inherently troublesome. I showed how he indicated that Muslim groups are possessed by a value which is troublesome and now you are saying that that doesn't prove he is xenophobic.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

You strike me as one of these people that is desperate to portray those you don't agree with as these awful people so you can forever claim the moral victory, as "winning" debates based on fact, logic and reason is something you struggle to do. You've failed to provide any evidence for any of the spurious claims you've made about both Farage and Murray. Is Sam Harris a xenophobe too in your opinion?

I don't care about 'winning' any debate, least not with people who have proven time and again that they are not for changing.
I see the influence that some people such as Farage, Murray and others have on the world and I think it is of a more negative nature than positive and we have seen how that is not for the good of society in broad terms.

And why should I sit back and let them, or posters on boards express their opinion without countering it where I disagree with it?

DelaneyIn wrote: »

There are literally billions of people who would enter and live in Europe if they had the opportunity. This idea of spreading refugees is delusional, the numbers are unending, growing year on year.

In a single decade the population of Nigeria has grown by more than the total population of any European country. These people will not want to stay there if they can avoid it.

Our refugee laws, predicated upon WW2 notions of conflict and desperation, will be our undoing as a continent.

Farage traveling to Dover to report on the UK authorities lax attitude to illegals is small fry in comparison.

i would suggest that it's actually not small fry given the influence he has over a number of the population, all be it a number that thankfully hasn't amounted to being enough to vote him in as an MP, but still enough to cause serious problems currently if they were to start following his lead and going out.
his trip was non-essential, it was just him looking for more attention and he should have done the decent thing for once and stayed at home.
the refugee laws are fine, and 99% of countries enforce their borders and that's fine also.