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[Feature Request] Irish

Grudaire · 2007-05-25 18:21:46

I was just wondering if an option could be made to make boards be in Irish. Other sites are half in Irish, If it's possible I'm willing to help with the translation etc.

25-05-2007 7:21pm

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I was just wondering if an option could be made to make boards be in Irish.

Other sites are half in Irish, If it's possible I'm willing to help with the translation etc.

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#2 25-05-2007 8:06pm

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I would really like to see an 'As Gaeilge' button which would change all of Boards headings to Irish.

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#3 25-05-2007 11:03pm

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Sounds good.

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#4 26-05-2007 7:57am

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Any of you three know php and willing to write the code?

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#5 26-05-2007 8:40am

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i want an Ulster scots button then

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#6 26-05-2007 8:44am

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Tartan button with matching tie. Happy now Ruggie?

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#7 26-05-2007 8:57am

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I dont see how localisation/translation would require any php knowledge?

A simple CTRL+H/find & replace would work. Finding specific words and replacing them with the corresponding Irish words.

I'm not saying it wouldnt be difficult, but it certainly wouldnt be as much work as say, adding a big red button that translates all posts into Irish.

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#8 26-05-2007 9:37am

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A CSS file that just translates the site's own text into Irish should be doable. I doubt very much that there's any chance that posts could be translated.

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#9 26-05-2007 11:36am

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hullaball&#250 wrote:

A CSS file that just translates the site's own text into Irish should be doable. I doubt very much that there's any chance that posts could be translated.

I was thinking tha myself, it couldnt cope with text speak, and spelling errors.

I would be seriously impressed if it could

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#10 26-05-2007 11:55am

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Ivan wrote:

I dont see how localisation/translation would require any php knowledge?

A simple CTRL+H/find & replace would work. Finding specific words and replacing them with the corresponding Irish words.

I'm not saying it wouldnt be difficult, but it certainly wouldnt be as much work as say, adding a big red button that translates all posts into Irish.

It would have to be integrated into the Vbulletin software, which would require php coding.

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#11 26-05-2007 12:59pm

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VBulletin allows you load language packs or define your own language packs.

It's a very simple thing actually and used on many sites.

Basically, every single "Phrase" on every single page is stored as a separate item. Then you define the text of every phrase in the language pack. vBulletin then loads the phrases based on what language the user has selected.

There is no need to know PHP coding, vBulletin provides a user interface for creating your own language pack.

There may be one already written for vB. Anyone want to search?

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#12 26-05-2007 5:47pm

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I'd use this, if it was ever made.

Edit:
http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/main/language_manage

Just like Seamus said, this looks éasca as a cáca milis...

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#13 26-05-2007 6:51pm

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seamus wrote:

VBulletin allows you load language packs or define your own language packs.

It's a very simple thing actually and used on many sites.

Basically, every single "Phrase" on every single page is stored as a separate item. Then you define the text of every phrase in the language pack. vBulletin then loads the phrases based on what language the user has selected.

There is no need to know PHP coding, vBulletin provides a user interface for creating your own language pack.

There may be one already written for vB. Anyone want to search?

Basically you'll have a bunch of message variables in a file with corresponding messages in English, all it would take would be translating these into Irish and loading the file based on region information or user selection.

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#14 26-05-2007 9:40pm

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seamus wrote:

VBulletin allows you load language packs or define your own language packs.

It's a very simple thing actually and used on many sites.

Basically, every single "Phrase" on every single page is stored as a separate item. Then you define the text of every phrase in the language pack. vBulletin then loads the phrases based on what language the user has selected.

There is no need to know PHP coding, vBulletin provides a user interface for creating your own language pack.

There may be one already written for vB. Anyone want to search?

hmm, so would this be applied to posts or just things like forum names and buttons?

Karlusss: There appears to be some gibberish at the end of your post, I couldn't make it out.

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#15 26-05-2007 9:50pm

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Only buttons, error messages, warnings, system links and all that stuff.

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#16 26-05-2007 9:52pm

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Ok, so I'll go back to my orginal point, you'd have to code something yourself and integrated it into VB to get what the OP seems to be looking for

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#17 26-05-2007 10:58pm

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Boston wrote:

Ok, so I'll go back to my orginal point, you'd have to code something yourself and integrated it into VB to get what the OP seems to be looking for

Ah I don't think so. He says that he's willing to help with the translation, which means that he either has no idea how much information is in the database, or he just wants the standard stuff to be as Gaeilge.

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#18 26-05-2007 11:15pm

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It would be enough just to have the various standard stuff in Irish. That said, there seems to be a good few Irish speakers knocking about, so it could just be a project for a group to work on.

I wouldn't get over-excited about it yet though. There are still a good many more things that will be prioritised over this. It could be some time before there's a result on this if the admins think it's worth-while.

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#19 27-05-2007 11:04am

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Just a thought, you know those drop down menues, aren't they updated manually everytime a new forum is added?

If you were hoping to translate the menue into Irish, then perhaps it would be a good idea to have someone fluent in Irish whos job it is to keep an eye on the Forums Forum and add the translation to new forum idea threads as they appear

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#20 27-05-2007 7:10pm

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hullaball&#250 wrote:

It could be some time before there's a result on this if the admins think it's worth-while.

When do we hear the admins opinion?

And as I said I'm willing to help...

Karlusss wrote:

http://www.vbulletin.com/docs/html/main/language_manage

As I amn't privilaged with a admin control panel any idea how that'd work?

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#21 27-05-2007 7:50pm

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Cliste wrote:

When do we hear the admins opinion?

It's sloted in for 4 pm next tueday.

How about you make it clear exactly what you want in irish.

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#22 27-05-2007 9:07pm

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Cliste wrote:

As I amn't privilaged with a admin control panel any idea how that'd work?

Well there are two ways to approach it:

An admin (somehow) gets a list of all of the phrases and posts them up here. Then someone translates them, and the admin loads them into the system.

Or someone that will do all of the work installs a blank vBulletin system somewhere, uses the control panel on that to develop their own language pack, and then exports it for use elsewhere.

Also Boston, may have been slightly right after all. I would guess that the top menu is hardcoded instead of having multilanguage functionality. So some PHP coding may be involved (though someone could just translate the menus and and admin do the coding).

It's a nice idea, but it also raises another question - what about other languages? What if we add in a French pack. Then someone signs up, sees that they can localise the forum into French, and then starts posting in french.
Would this be an issue?

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#23 28-05-2007 11:00am

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Boston wrote:

How about you make it clear exactly what you want in irish.

All the titles, stuff like the links button etc. Not the actual posts.

seamus wrote:

It's a nice idea, but it also raises another question - what about other languages? What if we add in a French pack. Then someone signs up, sees that they can localise the forum into French, and then starts posting in french.
Would this be an issue?

Well it's boards.ie not fr or de...... But if people actually want it in foreign languages then surely that'd be even easier as main foreign languages are available on the vbulliten main site.

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#24 28-05-2007 11:12am

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As regards translating it into other languages, there's no reason that can't happen too if a number of people feel strongly about it. Why not?
But the fact is this is thread is about Irish and it's going off the subject of the thread by talking about other language options.
I nominate simu to do the translation

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#25 28-05-2007 11:57am

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I know it's not exactly the same, but netvibes gets a combined effort to give translations, You log in and type in translations and then they're put up if you have chosen that language in the setting toolbar:

www.netvibes.com

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#26 30-05-2007 1:21pm

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Boston wrote:

It's sloted in for 4 pm next tueday.

It's Wednesday now....? any news??

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#27 30-05-2007 1:46pm

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Heh. Boston was taking the proverbial.

Right, I'm willing to manage this one.

What we need is:

1. Someone to download an existing language pack from vbulletin.com. As luck would have it, there is an English (UK) pack available for download:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=163399
Unfortunately you need to be a vBulletin customer to access the download, and I am not one.

2. A list of people willing to offer time to do this. There are only a few hundred phrases to do. Shouldn't be that difficult.

Once we have the above pack downloaded, hopefully it's already split into pages, and we can divide the work out. If not, I'll break it up myself.

We'll use the Development Forum for this.

Once the we have the language pack and a handful of volunteers, I'll get cracking.

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#28 30-05-2007 1:50pm

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Cliste wrote:

It's Wednesday now....? any news??

Erm, I think Boston may have been extracting the urine a little bit mate.

The Admin people are all quite busy with real life stuff at the moment, just have a bit of patience.

They MAY reply to the thread if they feel it's a decent idea, and can implement it easily enough.

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#29 30-05-2007 1:52pm

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seamus wrote:

I'll do it, this work of greatness

Fair play seamus. I'll certainly be using it if it gets finished.

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#30 30-05-2007 2:00pm

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Cliste wrote:

It's Wednesday now....? any news??

I give up. After 40 mins I couldnt find a good enough picture for the situation

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#31 30-05-2007 9:07pm

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Thanks lads!

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#32 30-05-2007 9:53pm

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Would be cool, more so cos noone would knwo what I was browsing over here

Now all we need is an automatic translator to turn each post into Irish.

Anyone work at Google Language tools?

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#33 02-06-2007 8:36pm

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Go maith. I'm all for this.

As for editing any php or html for the menu.. it would be easy. It's a 2 second job to modify a header file.

As for the vbulletin software itself, you can create your own language packs as already mentioned. I don't see why anyone would object to something like this. It's a great idea.

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#34 02-06-2007 8:56pm

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dlofnep wrote:

Go maith. I'm all for this.

As for editing any php or html for the menu.. it would be easy. It's a 2 second job to modify a header file.

As for the vbulletin software itself, you can create your own language packs as already mentioned. I don't see why anyone would object to something like this. It's a great idea.

0_o you volunteering? I'm sure seamus would accept the help

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#35 05-06-2007 9:15am

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dlofnep wrote:

Go maith. I'm all for this.

As for editing any php or html for the menu.. it would be easy. It's a 2 second job to modify a header file.

As for the vbulletin software itself, you can create your own language packs as already mentioned. I don't see why anyone would object to something like this. It's a great idea.

Is that an offer of help to translate?
I'd say the forum names are an entirely different ball game altogether - thus the nav menu may be a bit more tricky. Does anyone know if vB has the option to specify different names for forums when you have more than one language installed?

Incidentally, I'm yet to get any volunteers for the two items I posted

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#36 10-06-2007 1:27pm

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seamus wrote:

Is that an offer of help to translate?
Incidentally, I'm yet to get any volunteers for the two items I posted

I'll do my best to help with the translation if the admins give us access to the English language pack.

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#37 10-06-2007 3:38pm

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I might be able to help a bit with translations but I'm rather busy these days so no guarantees.

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#38 14-06-2007 11:28pm

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I'm nowhere near fluent enough as gailege to help with a comprehensive translation. Sorry guys.

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#39 15-06-2007 9:18am

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OK I've got the language file, many thanks to the member in question.

Plan of action is to figure out an easy way of extracting the phrases from the xml file, and putting them into a format that makes then easy to read, but also that I can use to update the language file when done.

I'll start a thread on development detailing what way it's going to work, and also stick a thread on the Irish board looking for more volunteers, if simu doesn't mind.

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#40 06-04-2008 9:26am

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Can we give this project the kiss of life? (to develop an Irish Language Pack and make it an option under the user control panel)

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#41 06-04-2008 9:54am

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Looks like this never made it to the development section.

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#42 06-04-2008 1:12pm

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But now that cult is in the development seat, if enough people posted it could be something that might happen. I do think it's a great idea, given that it is an irish forum!

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#43 06-04-2008 2:46pm

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Moved to Development.

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#44 06-04-2008 3:20pm

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Maybe put the phrases up on the wiki and let the (Irish speaking) community donate time to translate them?
What needs to be extracted from the XML?

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#45 06-04-2008 6:35pm

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Whatever way it needs to be done- we could have one person collecting it, and anyone interested can be given a file to translate- thats how they did OpenOffice..

Had long forgotten this- a year isn't long though

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#46 07-04-2008 10:04am

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Put me down as a volunteer for the translating!

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#47 11-04-2008 11:40am

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Any movement/progress/anything?

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#48 14-04-2008 12:02am

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I'd volunteer as a translator too. I'm helping to translate another site at the minute and focal.ie is just a godsend. My Irish isn't fantastic, but that only really becomes a problem for long batches of text.

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#49 14-04-2008 11:03am

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I'm willing to give a dig out with transaltions also. Shouldn't be too big a task if we split it up.

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#50 15-04-2008 9:56am

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I did get my hands on a language pack, but because this never got off the ground I think I dumped it.

I'll check and see if I have it, though Cult should be able to get it.

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#51 22-04-2008 10:06pm

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Right I don't want this to wander back into oblivion... anything that I can do?

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