Best areas in Dublin 3/5 for budget of €500k?

The Red Shoes · 01-11-2020 7:34pm #1

We’d love to buy in Raheny, but feel we’re priced out of it. Our max budget is €500k, including any renovation costs. Ideally we’d like three bedrooms, c100m2 or above, a decent sized garden & within the catchment area of good schools as we have a young child. We rent on Watermill Road & love the proximity to St. Anne’s and the coast. We aren’t from Dublin so are not too sure where to look nearby within our budget. Any suggestions appreciated.

aquinn · 01-11-2020 7:58pm

The Red Shoes wrote: »

We’d love to buy in Raheny, but feel we’re priced out of it. Our max budget is €500k, including any renovation costs. Ideally we’d like three bedrooms, c100m2 or above, a decent sized garden & within the catchment area of good schools as we have a young child. We rent on Watermill Road & love the proximity to St. Anne’s and the coast. We aren’t from Dublin so are not too sure where to look nearby within our budget. Any suggestions appreciated.

Have you looked at Artane?

The Red Shoes · 01-11-2020 8:08pm

Yes, Artane is one we’re interested in finding out more about. I’ve seen houses near Harmonstown Dart are c450k+ but I’m not sure what the area is like. Where in Artane would you recommend?

jon1981 · 01-11-2020 8:51pm

Check out brookwood road, brookwood avenue and the surrounding roads. 10 minute walk to at annes from there.

brisan · 03-11-2020 3:15pm

jon1981 wrote: »

Check out brookwood road, brookwood avenue and the surrounding roads. 10 minute walk to at annes from there.

Have to agree with that
Anything with Brookwood would be good
St Brigid's estate is also good or families
Middle third is perfect but probably out of your budget
Rosemount avenue is good too
However one point about the area
Most of the houses are old,a lot of the sales are from elderly people and the houses in the Brookwood area will need modernization .
However most of Raheny fits that category as well

Samuel T. Cogley · 03-11-2020 9:01pm

If I had more money I'd be living in Foxfield. I don't so I'm a less than half a KM away :pac:

ebayissues · 03-11-2020 9:06pm

There are a couple of houses in Harmonstown for <350k. However I won't spend 100k to do them as you won't recoup it back.

Raheny is a good spot. I'd like to live there myself, I can't do living 1km away.

The Red Shoes · 03-11-2020 10:08pm

If not Harmonstown (Brookwood. Etc.), then where would you recommend?

JustAThought · 03-11-2020 10:13pm

The Red Shoes wrote: »

If not Harmonstown (Brookwood. Etc.), then where would you recommend?

Its shocking when a budget of a half a million euro can’t buy the basic home one would like in a lively settled family area.

I just had a look at similar to Raheny nice
settled by the sea with middle class vibe, good commutes, schools & dart : Sutton, Howth, Malahide and Clontarf - surprisingly not all are priced beyond half a mil for a house.

As well as some in the mid e400k also bear in mind a 520k asking price is just that - the ask - not necessarily the selling price.

One of the few houses for sale advertised on my home that is actually IN Raheny as opposed
to Edenmore or Kilbarrack or Donaghmede is 63 Foxfield - under 500k. Queation is can you live with a pink sink!?!!!

I see there is one on Watermill Ave - where you say you love - for sale too - asking price 50k over your budget but sure what can they do except say no if you were to offer 485k. Might say yes.

brisan · 04-11-2020 9:02am

The Red Shoes wrote: »

If not Harmonstown (Brookwood. Etc.), then where would you recommend?

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/3-auburn-house-118-howth-road-clontarf-dublin-3/4457103

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/24-rosemount-avenue-artane-dublin-5/4459450

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/12-st-brigids-close-killester-dublin-5/4459853

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/results?localities=1443|1445&region=1265&types=97&minprice=400000&maxprice=550000

Samuel T. Cogley · 04-11-2020 9:53am

That top one, shoe box for a livingroom, shoe box for a kitchen, church for a master bedroom!

El Tarangu · 04-11-2020 9:56am

Killester is nice - not quite as nice as Raheny, slightly further from them sea, but closer to town, and still close to St Anne's, and probably a bit cheaper

brisan · 04-11-2020 10:00am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

That top one, shoe box for a livingroom, shoe box for a kitchen, church for a master bedroom!

Agreed and I have no idea what the management fees are
However its a 3 bed ,3 bath B3 rated 126sq mt house in Clontarf for 550k
You dont get many that size in that condition for that price in Clontarf
For the OP budget of 500K you will not get perfection in D3-5
I have lived there for over 20 years and I keep an eye on the market
I bought a shell of a bungalow last year for 570k( 500k for bungalow and 70k to stop it going on the market ) in the area and know what good properties in the D3-D5 GO FOR .
Have a look at the price of new builds in the area

jon1981 · 04-11-2020 10:14am

We're currently living on one of the Brookwood roads and looking to move. Not for any negative reasons, the road and area is lovely.

One observation I've made with most of the properties coming on the market in D5 and D3 is expect to spend at least 100k just modernising it or double that and more to extend it. Some of the properties in D5 and D3 are so old that you're practically buying a site given how much work needs to be done to it. (an expensive site too)

brisan · 04-11-2020 10:21am

jon1981 wrote: »

We're currently living on one of the Brookwood roads and looking to move. Not for any negative reasons, the road and area is lovely.

One observation I've made with most of the properties coming on the market in D5 and D3 is expect to spend at least 100k just modernising it or double that and more to extend it. Some of the properties in D5 and D3 are so old that you're practically buying a site given how much work needs to be done to it. (an expensive site too)

brisan wrote: »

Have to agree with that
Anything with Brookwood would be good
St Brigid's estate is also good or families
Middle third is perfect but probably out of your budget
Rosemount avenue is good too
However one point about the area
Most of the houses are old,a lot of the sales are from elderly people and the houses in the Brookwood area will need modernization .
However most of Raheny fits that category as well

As you and I said you will need a good budget to modernise anything in the area
500K will not get you many good ready to walk into houses in the area
St Brigids estate is one of the few and its right on the edge of what you would class as D3-D5.
New 3 beds in Ardilaun were near 700k

jon1981 · 04-11-2020 11:54am

This is it, location is king. It's kind of bonkers that you really need 600-700k to buy in parts of D5, while they are lovely areas, they're not held in the same high esteem as parts of Clontarf, for example. 500k should be enough.

Perhaps it's a supply issue.

Samuel T. Cogley · 04-11-2020 11:57am

jon1981 wrote: »

This is it, location is king. It's kind of bonkers that you really need 600-700k to buy in parts of D5, while they are lovely areas, they're not held in the same high esteem as parts of Clontarf, for example. 500k should be enough.

Perhaps it's a supply issue.

D5 is mental - You need 350K+ to get a decent sized place in Kilbarrack these days.

brisan · 04-11-2020 1:25pm

jon1981 wrote: »

This is it, location is king. It's kind of bonkers that you really need 600-700k to buy in parts of D5, while they are lovely areas, they're not held in the same high esteem as parts of Clontarf, for example. 500k should be enough.

Perhaps it's a supply issue.

Parts of D5 are held in higher regard than parts of Clontarf
Parts of Clontarf are very badly served by public transport
Parts of D5 have 2 dart stations and 2 major bus routes within a 10 min walk
Clontarf is lovely in the main but some parts are more desirable than others

brisan · 04-11-2020 1:27pm

jon1981 wrote: »

This is it, location is king. It's kind of bonkers that you really need 600-700k to buy in parts of D5, while they are lovely areas, they're not held in the same high esteem as parts of Clontarf, for example. 500k should be enough.

Perhaps it's a supply issue.

500K will not get you a turnkey 3 bed in the better parts of D5
A lot of the houses will need major modernization

jon1981 · 04-11-2020 1:46pm

brisan wrote: »

500K will not get you a turnkey 3 bed in the better parts of D5
A lot of the houses will need major modernization

Yeah i agree, it should be enough but it ain't, that was more the point I was failing to make

jon1981 · 04-11-2020 1:48pm

brisan wrote: »

Parts of D5 are held in higher regard than parts of Clontarf
Parts of Clontarf are very badly served by public transport
Parts of D5 have 2 dart stations and 2 major bus routes within a 10 min walk
Clontarf is lovely in the main but some parts are more desirable than others

This is a good point, there are parts of clontarf, while lovely areas, are awful when it comes to transport links.

jon1981 · 04-11-2020 1:48pm

There's alot of money about at the moment.

brisan · 04-11-2020 2:07pm

jon1981 wrote: »

This is a good point, there are parts of clontarf, while lovely areas, are awful when it comes to transport links.

Mount Prospect Ave ,one of the better addresses has terrible public transport
Plus the coast road is bedlam at peak traffic
Plus on a good Sat or Sunday it can take over an hour to drive from Clontarf to Howth on the coast road

annoyedgal · 05-11-2020 1:55pm

We were priced out of raheny with a similar budget due to renovation costs. Everywhere seemed to need min 100 k to bring it up to scratch. The houses we saw in brookwood while lovely seemed the same. Needed huge work.
Look at killester, donnycarney which are both striking distance to saint Anne's.
Parts of artane are lovely.
Woodbine and Grange park are two more affordable areas of raheny although some will argue if they are part of raheny! Check school catchment for these areas and research the local schools.
Verbena in bayside was also affordable when we were looking but small houses.
Other areas to consider are marino which is a lovely area which is affordable with your budget and houses for the most have the work already done. Drumcondra and glasnevin are very nice too.

kravmaga · 05-11-2020 6:45pm

The Red Shoes wrote: »

We’d love to buy in Raheny, but feel we’re priced out of it. Our max budget is €500k, including any renovation costs. Ideally we’d like three bedrooms, c100m2 or above, a decent sized garden & within the catchment area of good schools as we have a young child. We rent on Watermill Road & love the proximity to St. Anne’s and the coast. We aren’t from Dublin so are not too sure where to look nearby within our budget. Any suggestions appreciated.

Hi OP, would you consider Collins Ave, Donnycarney, Dublin 9.? Its just 100m2 near Donnycarney church.

See link: Mature quiet area, your near city, good bus transport links.

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/donnycarney/54-belton-park-road-donnycarney-dublin-2734827/

brisan · 05-11-2020 6:49pm

kravmaga wrote: »

Hi OP, would you consider Fairview, Dublin 3.? Its 79 m2 a litle short of your 100m2.

See link: mature quiet area, your near city, good transport links from Fairview strand.

https://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/marino/62-philipsburgh-terrace-marino-marino-dublin-2699606/

That property is sale agreed and no longer accepting offers
Asking 460k
Sold 443k

kravmaga · 05-11-2020 7:05pm

brisan wrote: »

That property is sale agreed and no longer accepting offers
Asking 460k
Sold 443k

Thanks, wasn't aware it was sale agreed, nice house all the same.

Ive edited the original link.

Claw Hammer · 06-11-2020 2:34pm

It is better to buy a run down property in as good area that a turnkey in a bad area. The one thing you can't do with a house is physically move it. I know 3 households who live on the same section of road who bought their houses around 1990 to 1995. Each lived in the house as it was for at least 10 years and then did a big renovation job, adding extensions upgrading insulation etc. Now the have very good properties in a very good area.

Sweet.Science · 06-11-2020 3:23pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

It is better to buy a run down property in as good area that a turnkey in a bad area. The one thing you can't do with a house is physically move it. I know 3 households who live on the same section of road who bought their houses around 1990 to 1995. Each lived in the house as it was for at least 10 years and then did a big renovation job, adding extensions upgrading insulation etc. Now the have very good properties in a very good area.

How would you define a good area / bad area ? Transport links? Anti social behaviour ?

Curious to know. A lot of so called bad areas that got these reputation in the 80s and 90s are fine now. So you really are just paying 100k to 200k more for an address/postcode.

John_Rambo · 06-11-2020 4:16pm

I think Claw Hammer's point is it seems people no longer find it acceptable to live in a house that's not perfect. Long gone are the days where you'd buy a house, put up with the odd leak, draughty windows, some damp, cracked plasterwork and a dated heating system with intentions to get things done bit by bit or all of it further down the line!!

Personally, I'd up with all of the above in nice area than a perfect house with all the mod cons in a not so nice area.

Everyone's definition of a nice and not nice area is different, areas are more expensive than others for good reasons.

Claw Hammer · 06-11-2020 4:19pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

How would you define a good area / bad area ? Transport links? Anti social behaviour ?

Curious to know. A lot of so called bad areas that got these reputation in the 80s and 90s are fine now. So you really are just paying 100k to 200k more for an address/postcode.

A good area is one with a mature well established population. Some areas mature from poor to good. If a house sells at a particular price in one area and an identical house sells at a different price in another area, then the area with the higher price is the better area. You can then try and establish why this is the case and see if the difference is justified or not. You can also try and discern which way each area is likely to develop. It is not about paying 100k for a post code. It is about making a good investment. When you go to sell your potential purchasers will look at the post code. The difference might be 100k now and 300k in a few years.

Thelonious Monk · 10-11-2020 12:03am

What about the St Anne's estate the old corpo houses, they're lovely. Not sure what they cost nowadays though. I'm from Brookwood, and it's a 10 min walk to St Anne's from pretty much all of the area. Out of my price range though as I was buying alone so Edenmore for me, a bit more rustic, but still only 12 min walk to dart.
It cost me less than 30k to completely gut a house and have it reinsulated and floored and everything, are people really paying 100k to have houses done up?!

ebayissues · 10-11-2020 8:19pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What about the St Anne's estate the old corpo houses, they're lovely. Not sure what they cost nowadays though. I'm from Brookwood, and it's a 10 min walk to St Anne's from pretty much all of the area. Out of my price range though as I was buying alone so Edenmore for me, a bit more rustic, but still only 12 min walk to dart.
It cost me less than 30k to completely gut a house and have it reinsulated and floored and everything, are people really paying 100k to have houses done up?!

30k just for gutting and re-flooring?

Sweet.Science · 10-11-2020 8:55pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What about the St Anne's estate the old corpo houses, they're lovely. Not sure what they cost nowadays though. I'm from Brookwood, and it's a 10 min walk to St Anne's from pretty much all of the area. Out of my price range though as I was buying alone so Edenmore for me, a bit more rustic, but still only 12 min walk to dart.
It cost me less than 30k to completely gut a house and have it reinsulated and floored and everything, are people really paying 100k to have houses done up?!

I was in around the same mark to do mine aswel . Edenmore aswel as it happens . Although I'm moving soon :-(

Samuel T. Cogley · 10-11-2020 8:56pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I was in around the same mark to do mine aswel . Edenmore aswel as it happens . Although I'm moving soon :-(

No issues with the area I hope.

Sweet.Science · 10-11-2020 9:00pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

No issues with the area I hope.

God no . Loved it and the neighbours

zootroid · 12-11-2020 10:18am

The Red Shoes wrote: »

If not Harmonstown (Brookwood. Etc.), then where would you recommend?

You could try in around the Malahide Road?

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/5-ardcollum-avenue-artane-dublin-5-d05-e2a2/4461057

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/12-mask-road-artane-dublin-5/4442449

Thelonious Monk · 12-11-2020 12:07pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

God no . Loved it and the neighbours

Only place I've ever lived where neighbours just do nice things for me like bring my bins in or trim my hedges even sometimes.
Loads of people wouldn't live there because it has a bad name but my mortgage repayments are around half of most people's monthly rent!

Samuel T. Cogley · 12-11-2020 12:12pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Only place I've ever lived where neighbours just do nice things for me like bring my bins in or trim my hedges even sometimes.
Loads of people wouldn't live there because it has a bad name but my mortgage repayments are around half of most people's monthly rent!

In Kilbarrack myself and would say the same. Maybe I'm lucky but next door and the house behind are lovely. The three neighbours across are an old couple that's been here since just after is was fields, a guy who could not be more helpful with projects, seems to know everyone and a guy who works from home who is lovely too. There's a resident's group that plant flowers and tidy the place up.

My only gripes are litter and people just don't give a flying youknowwhat about their dogs being out all day barking, thankfully though (touch wood) it's been years since we've had a problem at night.

The council bought the house a few doors up and there was a bit of a worry there for a while, new girl and the family moved in, not a peep.

brisan · 12-11-2020 5:55pm

zootroid wrote: »

You could try in around the Malahide Road?

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/5-ardcollum-avenue-artane-dublin-5-d05-e2a2/4461057

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/12-mask-road-artane-dublin-5/4442449

If anyone pays 415k for Mask avenue they want their head examined

Thelonious Monk · 12-11-2020 6:22pm

I used to rent that Ardcollum Ave house, ha. Me and 2 friends about 15 years ago. Jesus we had some crazy times in there, neighbours weren't too keen on us!

John_Rambo · 12-11-2020 11:46pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

In Kilbarrack myself and would say the same. Maybe I'm lucky but next door and the house behind are lovely. The three neighbours across are an old couple that's been here since just after is was fields, a guy who could not be more helpful with projects, seems to know everyone and a guy who works from home who is lovely too. There's a resident's group that plant flowers and tidy the place up.

My only gripes are litter and people just don't give a flying youknowwhat about their dogs being out all day barking, thankfully though (touch wood) it's been years since we've had a problem at night.

The council bought the house a few doors up and there was a bit of a worry there for a while, new girl and the family moved in, not a peep.

Any problems like this in the area will be non-existant in ten years time. Eastside areas are incredibly popular with young civic minded family people that care about the areas they're living in and they lead by example. The local minorities that previously may have misbehaved grow up and change their ways and within a very short timeframe you're in a mature, settled area.

brisan wrote: »

If anyone pays 415k for Mask avenue they want their head examined

Lets revisit this in a few years time!!

brisan · 13-11-2020 8:45am

John_Rambo wrote: »

Any problems like this in the area will be non-existant in ten years time. Eastside areas are incredibly popular with young civic minded family people that care about the areas they're living in and they lead by example. The local minorities that previously may have misbehaved grow up and change their ways and within a very short timeframe you're in a mature, settled area.

Lets revisit this in a few years time!!

In a few years time you could be paying 415 k for a one bed cottage in the arsehole of Leitrim
In the here and now anybody that pays 415k for Mask Avenue needs their head examined
Much better value in the area

John_Rambo · 13-11-2020 11:57am

brisan wrote: »

In a few years time you could be paying 415 k for a one bed cottage in the arsehole of Leitrim
In the here and now anybody that pays 415k for Mask Avenue needs their head examined
Much better value in the area

Fair enough, but I've had people tell me that every time I've bought a property. Stick up a property that's better value in the area.

Sweet.Science · 13-11-2020 12:16pm

I find it funny. It brings me back to whats a good area and whats a bad area.

You would have no issue whatsoever living in Mask Ave compared to Brookwood/Rosemont (both lovely btw)

Both same general area with same amenities close by.

Its clearly a snobby issue as Mask Ave originally had corpo houses when built. Thats all .

grahamor · 13-11-2020 12:38pm

brisan wrote: »

Have to agree with that
St Brigid's estate is also good or families

Been here 5 years, it's a great estate

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/12-st-brigids-close-killester-dublin-5/4459853

brisan · 13-11-2020 12:56pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Fair enough, but I've had people tell me that every time I've bought a property. Stick up a property that's better value in the area.

https://touch.daft.ie/for-sale/terraced-house-29-the-pines-killester-co-dublin/2612915

https://touch.daft.ie/for-sale/terraced-house-4-mcauley-drive-artane-co-dublin/2607664

https://touch.daft.ie/for-sale/terraced-house-5-brookwood-grove-artane-co-dublin/2622061

https://touch.daft.ie/property-for-sale/dublin-5-dublin/houses?salePrice_to=425000&numBeds_from=3

A lot more of you check the last link
I’ve lived in the area for over 20 years and my wife was born and reared around the corner from mask

brisan · 13-11-2020 1:06pm

grahamor wrote: »

Been here 5 years, it's a great estate

https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/12-st-brigids-close-killester-dublin-5/4459853

One of the few houses in that estate with a good front and back garden
Parking on the road is a major pain in that estate but apart from that it’s a great estate with mostly great neighbours
I know a few on there

John_Rambo · 13-11-2020 1:09pm

brisan wrote: »

John_Rambo wrote: »

Fair enough, but I've had people tell me that every time I've bought a property. Stick up a property that's better value in the area.

https://touch.daft.ie/for-sale/terraced-house-29-the-pines-killester-co-dublin/2612915

https://touch.daft.ie/for-sale/terraced-house-4-mcauley-drive-artane-co-dublin/2607664

https://touch.daft.ie/for-sale/terraced-house-5-brookwood-grove-artane-co-dublin/2622061

https://touch.daft.ie/property-for-sale/dublin-5-dublin/houses?salePrice_to=425000&numBeds_from=3

A lot more of you check the last link
I’ve lived in the area for over 20 years and my wife was born and reared around the corner from mask

Yep. You're right. They're all better value.

brisan · 13-11-2020 1:09pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I find it funny. It brings me back to whats a good area and whats a bad area.

You would have no issue whatsoever living in Mask Ave compared to Brookwood/Rosemont (both lovely btw)

Both same general area with same amenities close by.

Its clearly a snobby issue as Mask Ave originally had corpo houses when built. Thats all .

It’s not snobby it’s just value for money
Brookwood houses are bigger and slightly better built except for the split bathroom
Brookwood houses hold their value better
Granted only a stones throw from each other and all amenities are the same

brisan · 13-11-2020 1:12pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Yep. You're right. They're all better value.

Do the links not work ?
On a phone and using the Daft mobile app
I’ll post on a PC later

Best areas in Dublin 3/5 for budget of €500k?

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